Anyone else nervous that...

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]*sigh* well you should do. It's a necessity.Funky_Llama

ya I really dont know what to say to that

...lol...i guess, though its scary to think my fellow countrymen think this way.

"Oh, you threw out your back laying bricks while building houses for people to live in?"
"Yes, it sucks"
"Well, why dont you go see the doctor and get better"
"Because I dont get paid enough to buy health insurance and my job doesnt provide any"
"Oh...sucks to be you"

Yet three months later this guys back has gotten worse, leaving him crippled and jobless and therefore a burden on the governemnt.

Everyone deserves good healthcare. Period. Especially in a nation as prosperous and great as the US. It saddens me to think people are so scared its going to be our downfall, or they still have that damn Cold War mentality of anything socialized is bad.

Except that a car isn't a necessity...

Mochyc

I lose sleep every night over the thought of Obama sexually violating the constitution.SolidSnake35

*thinks of Southpark*

Theyre raping him! THEYRE RAPING HIM!

"Can you squeel? Squeel like a piggie!"

[QUOTE="Mochyc"]

Except that a car isn't a necessity...

Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Mochyc"]

Except that a car isn't a necessity...

Stevo_the_gamer

i think you're more focused on the words he used then the point...

the message is very clear, if you can be helped, you should be. its not a question of human rights or what it says on the constitution...its a question of what stage your country is at and what is it going to do to improve. and i see you've completely lost interest in my responses to your argument which once again shows you as another ignorant american who only fulfills an already rapidly growing stereotype of your countrymen and women.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Mochyc"]

Except that a car isn't a necessity...

SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Mochyc"]

Except that a car isn't a necessity...

SolidSnake35

no.

1. we all have different morals, dont force people to conform.

2. private healthcare at least can change with the times easier, and at the very least it dosent turn going to the doctors like going to the dmv. ugh

What about food, and water?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Mochyc"]

Except that a car isn't a necessity...

Stevo_the_gamer

2. private healthcare at least can change with the times easier, and at the very least it dosent turn going to the doctors like going to the dmv. ugh Super_Socialist

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Mochyc"]

Except that a car isn't a necessity...

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Mochyc"]

Except that a car isn't a necessity...

Stevo_the_gamer

how exactly do you rape a piece of paper?markop2003

go to google and search "constitution rule 34". it might actually turn up something...

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Mochyc"]

Except that a car isn't a necessity...

Stevo_the_gamer

hospitals in the US arent obliged to have free clinics and can remove them if they see them as draining the finances. please open yourself up to the possibilty that even though you're wrong, we're showing you how this can be done in a better and fairer way. no ones going to point a finger at you and laugh if you said

'hey guys, you might have a point.'

And what is your opinion on said free clinics...?Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]And what is your opinion on said free clinics...?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]And what is your opinion on said free clinics...?Funky_Llama

profitable organisations do as they please!!!

although in the UK our NHS has its problems this is how it works.

everyone is entitled to healthcare.

when you work you have whats called National Insurance (NI) which is a small percentage of your wage. i earn £22500/$45000 per year and i pay roughly 9% per month which entitles me to anything on the NHS and if i have an accident at work or socially im covered.

whereas in the US you have to pay a fortune for healthcare and sometimes you arent even eligible??????????????? which is unbelieveable from our P.O.V. how can you tell a human they arent entitled to healthcare?

so seriously, before you start slagging off other political standings maybe you should see how well it works elsewhere.

seriousley

although in the UK our NHS has its problems this is how it works.

everyone is entitled to healthcare.

when you work you have whats called National Insurance (NI) which is a small percentage of your wage. i earn £22500/$45000 per year and i pay roughly 9% per month which entitles me to anything on the NHS and if i have an accident at work or socially im covered.

whereas in the US you have to pay a fortune for healthcare and sometimes you arent even eligible??????????????? which is unbelieveable from our P.O.V. how can you tell a human they arent entitled to healthcare?

so seriously, before you start slagging off other political standings maybe you should see how well it works elsewhere.

seriousley

in america employers are often forced to provide medical. which drives prices up. i want a totally free market for healthcare

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]2. private healthcare at least can change with the times easier, and at the very least it dosent turn going to the doctors like going to the dmv. ugh SolidSnake35

but you still get taxed for it

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]*sigh* well you should do. It's a necessity.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="seriousley"]

although in the UK our NHS has its problems this is how it works.

everyone is entitled to healthcare.

when you work you have whats called National Insurance (NI) which is a small percentage of your wage. i earn £22500/$45000 per year and i pay roughly 9% per month which entitles me to anything on the NHS and if i have an accident at work or socially im covered.

whereas in the US you have to pay a fortune for healthcare and sometimes you arent even eligible??????????????? which is unbelieveable from our P.O.V. how can you tell a human they arent entitled to healthcare?

so seriously, before you start slagging off other political standings maybe you should see how well it works elsewhere.

Super_Socialist

although in the UK our NHS has its problems this is how it works.

everyone is entitled to healthcare.

when you work you have whats called National Insurance (NI) which is a small percentage of your wage. i earn £22500/$45000 per year and i pay roughly 9% per month which entitles me to anything on the NHS and if i have an accident at work or socially im covered.

whereas in the US you have to pay a fortune for healthcare and sometimes you arent even eligible??????????????? which is unbelieveable from our P.O.V. how can you tell a human they arent entitled to healthcare?

so seriously, before you start slagging off other political standings maybe you should see how well it works elsewhere.

seriousley

in america employers are often forced to provide medical. which drives prices up. i want a totally free market for healthcare

well we have the closest thing to what you're looking for.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]And what is your opinion on said free clinics...?seriousley

profitable organisations do as they please!!!

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]2. private healthcare at least can change with the times easier, and at the very least it dosent turn going to the doctors like going to the dmv. ugh Super_Socialist

but you still get taxed for it

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="seriousley"]

although in the UK our NHS has its problems this is how it works.

everyone is entitled to healthcare.

when you work you have whats called National Insurance (NI) which is a small percentage of your wage. i earn £22500/$45000 per year and i pay roughly 9% per month which entitles me to anything on the NHS and if i have an accident at work or socially im covered.

whereas in the US you have to pay a fortune for healthcare and sometimes you arent even eligible??????????????? which is unbelieveable from our P.O.V. how can you tell a human they arent entitled to healthcare?

so seriously, before you start slagging off other political standings maybe you should see how well it works elsewhere.

seriousley

although in the UK our NHS has its problems this is how it works.

everyone is entitled to healthcare.

when you work you have whats called National Insurance (NI) which is a small percentage of your wage. i earn £22500/$45000 per year and i pay roughly 9% per month which entitles me to anything on the NHS and if i have an accident at work or socially im covered.

whereas in the US you have to pay a fortune for healthcare and sometimes you arent even eligible??????????????? which is unbelieveable from our P.O.V. how can you tell a human they arent entitled to healthcare?

so seriously, before you start slagging off other political standings maybe you should see how well it works elsewhere.

seriousley

in america employers are often forced to provide medical. which drives prices up. i want a totally free market for healthcare

well we have the closest thing to what you're looking for.

and that pretty sad.

the best thing to happen to america would be that everyone says their unemployed and we just get a huge black market for everything.

Except that a car isn't a necessity...

Mochyc

In America, if you live too far away from work and don't have public transportation, then yes it most certainly is a necessity.

[QUOTE="seriousley"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="seriousley"]

although in the UK our NHS has its problems this is how it works.

everyone is entitled to healthcare.

when you work you have whats called National Insurance (NI) which is a small percentage of your wage. i earn £22500/$45000 per year and i pay roughly 9% per month which entitles me to anything on the NHS and if i have an accident at work or socially im covered.

whereas in the US you have to pay a fortune for healthcare and sometimes you arent even eligible??????????????? which is unbelieveable from our P.O.V. how can you tell a human they arent entitled to healthcare?

so seriously, before you start slagging off other political standings maybe you should see how well it works elsewhere.

Super_Socialist

although in the UK our NHS has its problems this is how it works.

everyone is entitled to healthcare.

when you work you have whats called National Insurance (NI) which is a small percentage of your wage. i earn £22500/$45000 per year and i pay roughly 9% per month which entitles me to anything on the NHS and if i have an accident at work or socially im covered.

whereas in the US you have to pay a fortune for healthcare and sometimes you arent even eligible??????????????? which is unbelieveable from our P.O.V. how can you tell a human they arent entitled to healthcare?

so seriously, before you start slagging off other political standings maybe you should see how well it works elsewhere.

seriousley

in america employers are often forced to provide medical. which drives prices up. i want a totally free market for healthcare

well we have the closest thing to what you're looking for.

and that pretty sad.

the best thing to happen to america would be that everyone says their unemployed and we just get a huge black market for everything.

funny, that would mean people would charge what they want, have no obligation to make their products certifiable and would only enable the rich to afford what any person would need...

do people think before they post? i understand saying something stupid...but typing it?

[QUOTE="oooo0000oooo000"]I just hate the fact that I bust my ass for a higher paying job, just to get taxed more. The sad part is that some of my money will be going to people who refuse to work and stay on welfare. No one can justify these facts. cool_baller

Funny that, Obama said it was 250,000/yr, then he drops it down to 200,000/yr, now Biden claims its going to be 150,000/yr. I wonder how low that magic income number has to go before people wake up, 100,000? 50,000? 20,000?

UHC won't work in America because we have a strong, militant aversion to having our money taken away from us (for any reason, greater good or not). The US will never be quite like Europe because we are steadfast in our service and blind loyalty to the Constitution, where European nations have changed governments multiple times in history. The US Constitution is pretty classically liberal in social issues, but is based on mixed-market economics and capitalism. It would "rape the constitution :roll:" to introduce particularly Socialist programs, so I just don't think it could pass with a 2/3 majority of citizens familiar with our founding documents.

Personally, I'm fine with UHC in certain countries and I'm fine with privatized health care in others. I would hate to live in a world that does not give the option to spend and do as I please, or live "by each according to ability, to each according to need." I think it's worth noting, though, that anyone who requires medical treatment, particularly urgent treatment, will be given treatment in all first-world countries, don't pretend like that isn't true in the USA, UK, Canada, or wherever. The question is just whether they already paid for it, or if they will pay for it in the future.

Lastly, healthcare is a right, tax-funded healthcare is a liberty. Don't confuse the two.