Anyone else tired of US/EU trying to police the whole world and act like heroes

Its like this lastest Libya operation is for people of Libya and the goodwill of Europe and US to help people who are under occupation. Why cant they just come out and be real and say they got a great opportunity to get rid of a psycho leader now that his people stood against him, and its a oil rich region. I just hate this little **** front they put up as this has nothing to do with oil. There is plenty of people in the world who are under terrible tyrany and if they want to be heroes they can help people. I mean how long has the Darfur genocide been going on and nothing ever has been done to help those people. What about Karen People in Thailand that have been under genocide for 60 years and many more. Nobody stopped Rwanda genocide, even in Europe's backyard in Bosnia it took 4 YEARS and 200,000 killed for military intervention. I dont mind helping Libyan people but US/EU jumped on this soo fast with military intervention its crazy, these oppressive states are very primitive, it took Nato a few rounds of bombings to put Serbia in submission, and goverment of Sudan would also fall apart, but yea these regions dont have oil so their peoples ambition of freedom dont matter.

I am more tired of tyrants and dictators exploiting and persecuting their own people.

It would be funny if they did discover large amounts of oil in Darfur. I bet you within a week American/EU bombers would be bombing and being heroes and saving the people from genocide. Its laughable that a military like Janjaweed thats on horseback, has killed half a million people and nobody has done nothing about it.

Well, no one is acting unilaterally here. If you recall, the UN made a resolution calling for intervention in Libya.

Also, what is unique here is the Arab League asked for a no-fly zone to be implemented in Libya.

You wanna hear a joke.... UN.

I always say that these interventions start well, but they never end so. Maybe this is due to the fact that they start with good intentions and THEN greed takes over.GazaAli

Not in the U.S. - the JCS Chairman has stated the U.S. will be pulling back from lead role and turning it over to either France, UK, or NATO.

No US was reluctant to enter, in translation basically meaning, they want a good image in the muslim world so the middle east doesnt see them as invaders, but in their hearts I bet they wanted to enter more than anyone else, and now the US is taking the biggest role in the bombings. Come on man its United States, if there was a uprising on Mars and they had oil for us, we would somehow get up there and intervene.

I always say that these interventions start well, but they never end so. Maybe this is due to the fact that they start with good intentions and THEN greed takes over.GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I always say that these interventions start well, but they never end so. Maybe this is due to the fact that they start with good intentions and THEN greed takes over.topsemag55

Not in the U.S. - the JCS Chairman has stated the U.S. will be pulling back from lead role and turning it over to either France, UK, or NATO.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I always say that these interventions start well, but they never end so. Maybe this is due to the fact that they start with good intentions and THEN greed takes over.KungfuKitten

We are helping the people of the country. I think it's best to step in and help people against a dictator who kills his own people and lies about ceasefire than to do nothing.

If the US sent troops into Darfur, there'd be a s***load of topic on this forum, saying something like, "Anyone else tired of the US trying to police the whole world and act like heroes?"

I am more tired of tyrants and dictators exploiting and persecuting their own people.

ExGabu

If the US sent troops into Darfur, there'd be a s***load of topic on this forum, saying something like, "Anyone else tired of the US trying to police the whole world and act like heroes?"

Palantas

If the US sent troops into Darfur, there'd be a s***load of topic on this forum, saying something like, "Anyone else tired of the US trying to police the whole world and act like heroes?"

Palantas

Liberals are the funny ones with this. If the west had left libya to its own fate they would be criticized for doing so. If they go in (like they did now) they would be criticized for doing so. Catch 22 ftw!

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

If the US sent troops into Darfur, there'd be a s***load of topic on this forum, saying something like, "Anyone else tired of the US trying to police the whole world and act like heroes?"

Espada12

Liberals are the funny ones with this. If the west had left libya to its own fate they would be criticized for doing so. If they go in (like they did now) they would be criticized for doing so. Catch 22 ftw!

Its like this lastest Libya operation is for people of Libya and the goodwill of Europe and US to help people who are under occupation. Why cant they just come out and be real and say they got a great opportunity to get rid of a psycho leader now that his people stood against him, and its a oil rich region. I just hate this little **** front they put up as this has nothing to do with oil. There is plenty of people in the world who are under terrible tyrany and if they want to be heroes they can help people. I mean how long has the Darfur genocide been going on and nothing ever has been done to help those people. What about Karen People in Thailand that have been under genocide for 60 years and many more. Nobody stopped Rwanda genocide, even in Europe's backyard in Bosnia it took 4 YEARS and 200,000 killed for military intervention. I dont mind helping Libyan people but US/EU jumped on this soo fast with military intervention its crazy, these oppressive states are very primitive, it took Nato a few rounds of bombings to put Serbia in submission, and goverment of Sudan would also fall apart, but yea these regions dont have oil so their peoples ambition of freedom dont matter.

deniiiii21

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

If the US sent troops into Darfur, there'd be a s***load of topic on this forum, saying something like, "Anyone else tired of the US trying to police the whole world and act like heroes?"

Espada12

Liberals are the funny ones with this. If the west had left libya to its own fate they would be criticized for doing so. If they go in (like they did now) they would be criticized for doing so. Catch 22 ftw!

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

If the US sent troops into Darfur, there'd be a s***load of topic on this forum, saying something like, "Anyone else tired of the US trying to police the whole world and act like heroes?"

Danm_999

Liberals are the funny ones with this. If the west had left libya to its own fate they would be criticized for doing so. If they go in (like they did now) they would be criticized for doing so. Catch 22 ftw!

I wasn't making an argument.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Liberals are the funny ones with this. If the west had left libya to its own fate they would be criticized for doing so. If they go in (like they did now) they would be criticized for doing so. Catch 22 ftw!

Espada12

I wasn't making an argument.

No but you're calling a group hypocritical based on a reaction it never made. You've also misused the term catch 22 to be honest.Danm_999

No I really haven't. Damned if you do damned if you don't is pretty much a catch 22, unless you can offer an explanation beyond what you have presented. It doesn't matter, I'm merely basing my statements using observations of the stance the left normally has when it comes to policing the world.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]No but you're calling a group hypocritical based on a reaction it never made. You've also misused the term catch 22 to be honest.Espada12

No I really haven't. Damned if you do damned if you don't is pretty much a catch 22, unless you can offer an explanation beyond what you have presented.

"Damned if you do and damned if you don't" (what you've described) is a classic no-win situation where you'll be criticised no matter what you do. Both this and cache 22 are examples of no-win situations, but they aren't the same thing.

A cache 22 is being stuck in a situation whereby the only thing that gets you out of that situation is acquired by not being in that situation.

It comes from Joseph Heller's novel of the same name. In it, a pilot wants to get out of flying dangerous missions, and to do that he had to request to no longer fly these missions on the grounds he isn't mentally able, or that he's crazy. However, requesting you no longer want to fly missions is a mark of sanity, which proves he isn't crazy, which means he has to continue flying missions.

So you can see why the US, EU and UN's actions in Libya aren't a cache 22; they're perfectly able to act, they just might raise opposition from people.

It doesn't matter, I'm merely basing my statements using observations of the stance the left normally has when it comes to policing the world.

Espada12

Well, the left, like the right, are not a monolithic group. Take the Iraq example in 2003; many Democrats, like John Kerry and Hillary Clinton, voted to invade. Many other liberals, both from the US and abroad, opposed the action. That's because one of the two major political ideologies is not a hive mind; its individuals can disagree and not be hypocrits.

Not to mention people respond differently to different circumstances. Let's take the big examples of the past decade; Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq, for example, is not going to be viewed the same was as Afghanistan by people who believe the UN is the proper mechanism for solving international conflicts, because in Iraq the UN was circumvented, and in Afghanistan, the UN sanctioned the invasion. So if somebody supports one and not the other, it's not really hypocritical either.

This so reminds me of Team America: World Police

"AMERICA! **** YEAH!!!!"

Yeh i'm tired of it,

I think you guys should leave to us Aussies,

Oh yeah and Gadaffi is a peace-loving, benevolent ruler who places his people before all else.

What a topsy turvy world we live in!

You wanna hear a joke.... UN.

deniiiii21

It's a lose-lose situation. The rebels are begging for intervention and if you don't, then you will have generations of people that feel like your countries let them die. That they were hippocritical and didn't support "freedom" and the rights of common people. However, if you do intervene then you are "after oil" or have some secondary nefarious objective.

As long as the U.N. sanctions the action, I'm fine with it. The U.N. was created for this very purpose, I'm just glad they actually did their job this time.

As long as the U.N. sanctions the action, I'm fine with it. The U.N. was created for this very purpose, I'm just glad they actually did their job this time.

redstorm72

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I always say that these interventions start well, but they never end so. Maybe this is due to the fact that they start with good intentions and THEN greed takes over.GazaAli

Not in the U.S. - the JCS Chairman has stated the U.S. will be pulling back from lead role and turning it over to either France, UK, or NATO.

Why do people act like there is a ton of oil in Libya? From what I understand, it's not a lot.

Why do people act like there is a ton of oil in Libya? From what I understand, it's not a lot.

BMD004

I'm of the "damned if they do, damned if they don't" crowd.

If they sit back and do nothing the world will criticize them for sitting on their fat lazy asses.

Either way, they'll get something thrown at them.

no, not really.

example:

in a situation, who are you going to trust? Gadafi, or the US and Europe?

the only real negative about the West, imo, is corporate lobbying. If the people controlled the government more than companies did, it'd be perfect. Right now...right now its pretty good though.

Nope. Not at all, infact, I want more of it!

They are acting under a unanimous UNSC resolution"fidosim

If they sit back and do nothing the world will criticize them for sitting on their fat lazy asses.

Either way, they'll get something thrown at them.

Desulated

That is so true. America and Europe has done so much policing the world, that if they were to stop, they'd get criticized for not giving a care in the world. So even if they want to stop, they cant.