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Is this a prediction or a desire?
I don't really get your logic. On one hand, you say that men are acting more like women. But then, a mere two sentences later, you note that women are also acting more like men. What you're really noting is not that men are "acting like women", but rather that saying that someone is "acting like (a gender)" has less and less meaning with each passing year in modern times.
All this really is is a sign of the civilization of our culture. In olden times, men acted like men and women acted like women because ultimately the sole factor in determining dominance and success was physical strength, and women on average were naturally less strong than men. This naturally assigned each person a role based on their gender. Now, however, physical strength tends not to be a very big deal at all in most situations, and as such, the natural gender roles in the times of yore are quickly becoming obsolete as the modern-day requirements of humans can be fulfilled equally well by both men and women.
So, no, I don't think that this is a bad thing at all, unless you consider modern civilization to be a bad thing.
Is this a prediction or a desire?
More like humorous prediction and comparing it to hetero women with homosexual male friends who advise them on fashion.Good evening gentlemen.
Today, in English, we were assigned a multimedia project of a topic of our choosing. Mine was the emasculation of men in America.
It's a commonly known fact that as time progresses, men are becoming less like men, and more like women. A century ago or less, it was almost unheard of for a man to be sued or incarcerated for getting into something like a bar fight. Fifty years ago it was considered outlandish for a woman to have a career instead of presiding over household activities.Yes, and 800 years ago it was OK to raid the next village, rape their woman, and take their chidlren as slaves. My point? Things are better now than ever. As for bar fights, well, if someone knocked my tooth out I want him to pay my dental bill. While I feel suing for 3 million in emotional damages is bogus, he is going to pay me a few hundred or whatever it is to replace my chipped tooth. I dont see that as feminine; I see that as justice.
Fifty years ago, well 60 actually, it was WWII. Ever heard of Rosie the Riveter? Might want to refine your dates a little bit, as that era saw women coming into the workplace, and the birth of baby boomers sealed the deal concerning the acceptance of women in the workforce.
New directions in thought and social norms have created an atmosphere where it's OK for men to express feelings and affections, as well as possessing characteristics unbecoming of a traditional man. It's become accepted for men to wear effeminate clothing, wear makeup, get manicures - all things that would have probably gotten a person ostracized just a few decades ago.Its become tolerated for men to wear those clothes, though I hesitate to call it accepted. To be honest, outside of fashion magazines and a few shows, I dont know a single person that would not point and laugh at a man wearing silly clothes. Hell, most woman hate men that dress like that. Physical masculinity is still very much in demand.
As for expresing feelings, Idunno...I consider myself quite manly (I work a physical job, have a beard, drink beer, lift weights, and enjoy a warm bed with a woman in it) but when I watch Babe or Finding Nemo I always go "Awwww thats cute". People have given me crap for it, but I dont care. Whats more masculine: adhering to some idealistic standard of being a manly man, or being at peace with yourself and not giving a damn about some douche's opinion? I say the latter.
As for manicures, some of the most manly men in history have received them. You think uberpowerful dictators or rich, amazing athletes did not have nice nails?
It's not just pop culture and trends in **** that are changing men. As our governing body becomes more integrated with the female sex, laws are being put into effect to limit displays of aggression and other behaviors that are simply ingrained into the minds of males. In some cases, laws that were always around are being more strictly enforced.Its called civilization. Do you really want the barbarians back? I like going to the bars and knowing that some guy cant beat me up for accidentally hitting on his girlfriend. Or, should he attack me, I like knowing he can go to jail or I can claim self-defense. I agree some of the laws are a bit strict (I dont want anyone to have something put on their record simply because of a drunken mistake), but seriously....its a good thing.
There is also something else you need to note. Men more in touch with the changing world (Dare I say more liberally-minded men) have no issues adapting to these laws and stuff that "curb" male aggression. It is the primitive, lesser educated, and backwood males that have the issues, and to be honest no one likes them. A week ago a friend from the Central Valley (he is a farmer) in CA came down to visit and another friend called him gay so he slugged him. Hey, if he wants to be angry, fine! But a response like that is uncalled for, and speaks volumes for your character.
My question to you, gentlemen, is where will this lead us? Are these behaviors that typify a manly man simply archaic expressions of primal urges? Or are they a necessary display of dominance and surliness that have kept clans, cities, and nations safe from outward threats? As men move to become more like women, and women more like men, are we headed for an equal society where a person is not defined by their gender, or are we setting ourselves up for a blunder of social roles, where the sex that is not as greatly suited to a task is assigned to it regardless of biology?Who knows? All I know is I loved having women sit next to me in ****(something uncommon and frowned upon decades ago), and I love working next to women. Three out of five of my relationships have been with coworkers. So if women want to work, let them.
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In short, what it sounds like you are asking for is a return to "Me no like, me smash you!" attitude our primitive, uneducated, bigoted ancestors had.
I dont want that. I like equality. I like being around women; something about estrogen in the air gets me blood moving, not to mention the eye candy.
I think men are becoming more civilized to be honest. Machismo has nothing to do with masculinity.Thread_Derailer
QFT
you just summarized what I spent like 10 minutes typing out into two sentences. How do you do that!?
[QUOTE="Thread_Derailer"]I think men are becoming more civilized to be honest. Machismo has nothing to do with masculinity.mrbojangles25
QFT
you just summarized what I spent like 10 minutes typing out into two sentences. How do you do that!?
I don't know. It's just what I felt like typing. I've been hearing about this feminization of men for a while now, and I've thought about it, and I came to the conclusion that we aren't being girly, we're just evolving, and being less brutal. Less macho. So when our machismo fades away so will all of the stupid habits that supported it.I think men are becoming more civilized to be honest. Machismo has nothing to do with masculinity.Thread_Derailer
QFT
you just summarized what I spent like 10 minutes typing out into two sentences. How do you do that!?
I don't know. It's just what I felt like typing. I've been hearing about this feminization of men for a while now, and I've thought about it, and I came to the conclusion that we aren't being girly, we're just evolving, and being less brutal. Less macho. So when our machismo fades away so will all of the stupid habits that supported it. but that machismo is much needed still[QUOTE="Thread_Derailer"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]I don't know. It's just what I felt like typing. I've been hearing about this feminization of men for a while now, and I've thought about it, and I came to the conclusion that we aren't being girly, we're just evolving, and being less brutal. Less macho. So when our machismo fades away so will all of the stupid habits that supported it. but that machismo is much needed stillQFT
you just summarized what I spent like 10 minutes typing out into two sentences. How do you do that!?
freshgman
For what
[QUOTE="freshgman"][QUOTE="Thread_Derailer"] I don't know. It's just what I felt like typing. I've been hearing about this feminization of men for a while now, and I've thought about it, and I came to the conclusion that we aren't being girly, we're just evolving, and being less brutal. Less macho. So when our machismo fades away so will all of the stupid habits that supported it. Thread_Derailerbut that machismo is much needed still
For what
Wrestlemania?
[QUOTE="Thread_Derailer"][QUOTE="freshgman"] but that machismo is much needed stillJaguar_Shade
For what
Wrestlemania?
But that's an act.[QUOTE="Jaguar_Shade"][QUOTE="Thread_Derailer"]For what
Thread_Derailer
Wrestlemania?
But that's an act.take that back! wrstling is real!
whats bad is that women are now demanding all sorts of **** for free because they're women, and I have yet to see a guy win a legal fight when he hit a women because she attacked him...Is this really a widespread problem in your experience?
What I would say equality is if joe punches me and i floor him its ok, but if the female wants to be treated equal in one sense then if she hits me she better like the taste of my knuckles.qwertyoip
[QUOTE="qwertyoip"]whats bad is that women are now demanding all sorts of **** for free because they're women, and I have yet to see a guy win a legal fight when he hit a women because she attacked him...Is this really a widespread problem in your experience? no, but im sick and tired of women i know combining "equality" with "job perks" and "men cannot hit women ever". Im just sayin you get all or nothin. Knowhatimean?
What I would say equality is if joe punches me and i floor him its ok, but if the female wants to be treated equal in one sense then if she hits me she better like the taste of my knuckles.xaos
[QUOTE="qwertyoip"]whats bad is that women are now demanding all sorts of **** for free because they're women, and I have yet to see a guy win a legal fight when he hit a women because she attacked him...Is this really a widespread problem in your experience?
What I would say equality is if joe punches me and i floor him its ok, but if the female wants to be treated equal in one sense then if she hits me she better like the taste of my knuckles.xaos
If I may quote the wise and all-knowing Dave Chappelle:
"Chivalry is dead....and women killed it".
I am all for equality, but I find it a bit tough to uncondtionally support it when with one hand women demand equality, yet on the other hand every time they are treated poorly they pull the lady card. It doesnt happen a lot, but it happens enough. Society, and the legal system, still see women as weak and thus rule in their favor more frequently, especially in marriage and custody disputes, though I suppose that is for different reasons.
It's not a bad thing. First of all, I never judge people who think that men should act like men, I don't judge people who'd rather fight it out than talk it out, I don't judge people who throw away a good-looking jacket because it isn't masculine enough... it IS in their nature to behave and be comfortable with that way of life.I was getting all psyched up to go into a big "men being men" "harden up" "bring back the biff" rant until I read your second paragraph. I guess it is fair enough to be the type of male you wanna me. But maybe where my own discontent comes is that the tables are turning and we're being encouraged to cry, talk about our feelings, and all that stuff...
But I DO judge people who want to force other people to go against THEIR nature of wearing a scarf around their neck or go to dancing school or enlist to the army.
Basically, I think you're allowed to believe whatever you want as long you don't try to shoehorn people into an unfitting "role". And you can't decide where people fit and where they're most comfortable by what they have between their legs. Hungry_bunny
I think a lot of masculine traits were really just decided by society.
Like a guy having feelings, what is wrong (or unmanly) with that? :|
[QUOTE="metroidfood"]Nothing at all. All humans have feelings, sterotypes aren't fun. :( Quiet you! Unless you bottle up your depression and hide it from society you'll never be a real man! :xI think a lot of masculine traits were really just decided by society.
Like a guy having feelings, what is wrong (or unmanly) with that? :|
A1B2C3CAL
[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]It's not a bad thing. First of all, I never judge people who think that men should act like men, I don't judge people who'd rather fight it out than talk it out, I don't judge people who throw away a good-looking jacket because it isn't masculine enough... it IS in their nature to behave and be comfortable with that way of life.I was getting all psyched up to go into a big "men being men" "harden up" "bring back the biff" rant until I read your second paragraph. I guess it is fair enough to be the type of male you wanna me. But maybe where my own discontent comes is that the tables are turning and we're being encouraged to cry, talk about our feelings, and all that stuff...To be honest, I hate that too. >_> I've been accused of being a faker because I've said that I've never cried during a movie... but that's also just a different way of forcing a behavior on people.
But I DO judge people who want to force other people to go against THEIR nature of wearing a scarf around their neck or go to dancing school or enlist to the army.
Basically, I think you're allowed to believe whatever you want as long you don't try to shoehorn people into an unfitting "role". And you can't decide where people fit and where they're most comfortable by what they have between their legs. D3nnyCrane
They are trying to make manskirts popular. That tells you all you need to know. And I don't mean kilts either/ maheo30"They" are? You mean THEM?
It's a commonly known fact that as time progresses, men are becoming less like men, and more like women. A century ago or less, it was almost unheard of for a man to be sued or incarcerated for getting into something like a bar fight. Fifty years ago it was considered outlandish for a woman to have a career instead of presiding over household activities.
The intro to your post points out abolishment of sexism.
studies have proven that the the male hormon has decreased so yaDivineDragonZWikipedia sez: citation needed
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