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#1 major_silva
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Good evening gentlemen.

Today, in English, we were assigned a multimedia project of a topic of our choosing. Mine was the emasculation of men in America.

It's a commonly known fact that as time progresses, men are becoming less like men, and more like women. A century ago or less, it was almost unheard of for a man to be sued or incarcerated for getting into something like a bar fight. Fifty years ago it was considered outlandish for a woman to have a career instead of presiding over household activities.

New directions in thought and social norms have created an atmosphere where it's OK for men to express feelings and affections, as well as possessing characteristics unbecoming of a traditional man. It's become accepted for men to wear effeminate clothing, wear makeup, get manicures - all things that would have probably gotten a person ostracized just a few decades ago.

It's not just pop culture and trends in **** that are changing men. As our governing body becomes more integrated with the female sex, laws are being put into effect to limit displays of aggression and other behaviors that are simply ingrained into the minds of males. In some cases, laws that were always around are being more strictly enforced.

My question to you, gentlemen, is where will this lead us? Are these behaviors that typify a manly man simply archaic expressions of primal urges? Or are they a necessary display of dominance and surliness that have kept clans, cities, and nations safe from outward threats? As men move to become more like women, and women more like men, are we headed for an equal society where a person is not defined by their gender, or are we setting ourselves up for a blunder of social roles, where the sex that is not as greatly suited to a task is assigned to it regardless of biology?
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#2 BobbyTurkalino
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Times change. Best not to fall behind.
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#3 freshgman
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no one should be arrested regarding bar fights. what do you expect when people are losing their jobs and are in bars :'
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#4 bluemistake2
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i think what your thinking of is a metrosexual acts gay but is straight have fun at the mall...
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#5 Benjamin-T
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I'm a guy, and I approve of this. Not because it diminish my masculanity, but because the past you're talking about refers to men discriminating women. I would gladly sacrifice my manhood for the sake of justice.
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#6 Fortier
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I sit with my legs crossed.

I guess you'll have to fight me, brah.

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#7 blackldragon
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When you put it that way yes we are I guess its time to break out the man purse.
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#8 trubluah
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I say we are, cause we seem to be getting as big as pregnant women, however it's perminant.
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#9 observer77
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I feel that the lines of what is feminine and what is manly and I like it men are looking better than they ever have.
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#10 Jaguar_Shade
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Soon men will have lesbian friends whom they go shopping for high heels with =o and compare purses =o maybe
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#11 ThePlothole
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[QUOTE="Jaguar_Shade"]Soon men will have lesbian friends whom they go shopping for high heels with =o and compare purses =o maybe

Is this a prediction or a desire?

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#12 Dante2710
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men were thought to be more beautiful since ancient ancient times, they have so many statues of man naked and whatnot....and i saw a while ago, that children, males in this case are more expressive during their childhood, this usually changes with the influence from others...you are making a really flawed assumption
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#13 GabuEx
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I don't really get your logic. On one hand, you say that men are acting more like women. But then, a mere two sentences later, you note that women are also acting more like men. What you're really noting is not that men are "acting like women", but rather that saying that someone is "acting like (a gender)" has less and less meaning with each passing year in modern times.

All this really is is a sign of the civilization of our culture. In olden times, men acted like men and women acted like women because ultimately the sole factor in determining dominance and success was physical strength, and women on average were naturally less strong than men. This naturally assigned each person a role based on their gender. Now, however, physical strength tends not to be a very big deal at all in most situations, and as such, the natural gender roles in the times of yore are quickly becoming obsolete as the modern-day requirements of humans can be fulfilled equally well by both men and women.

So, no, I don't think that this is a bad thing at all, unless you consider modern civilization to be a bad thing.

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[QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="Jaguar_Shade"]Soon men will have lesbian friends whom they go shopping for high heels with =o and compare purses =o maybe

Is this a prediction or a desire?

More like humorous prediction and comparing it to hetero women with homosexual male friends who advise them on fashion.
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#15 foxhound_fox
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The '90's saw quite a bit of the effeminization of men... but once those planes hit the twin towers, men got a new reason to become "men" again and start fighting wars, proving their power and hiding their emotions.
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#16 thequietguy
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Men used to compete with each other naked, and only thirty years ago, it was okay to wear short shorts, when now it's only for women to show that much skin. However, I was thinking about this, because at my school, more and more guys and girls are starting to have the same fashion.
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#17 mrbojangles25
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Good evening gentlemen.

Today, in English, we were assigned a multimedia project of a topic of our choosing. Mine was the emasculation of men in America.

It's a commonly known fact that as time progresses, men are becoming less like men, and more like women. A century ago or less, it was almost unheard of for a man to be sued or incarcerated for getting into something like a bar fight. Fifty years ago it was considered outlandish for a woman to have a career instead of presiding over household activities.

Yes, and 800 years ago it was OK to raid the next village, rape their woman, and take their chidlren as slaves. My point? Things are better now than ever. As for bar fights, well, if someone knocked my tooth out I want him to pay my dental bill. While I feel suing for 3 million in emotional damages is bogus, he is going to pay me a few hundred or whatever it is to replace my chipped tooth. I dont see that as feminine; I see that as justice.

Fifty years ago, well 60 actually, it was WWII. Ever heard of Rosie the Riveter? Might want to refine your dates a little bit, as that era saw women coming into the workplace, and the birth of baby boomers sealed the deal concerning the acceptance of women in the workforce.

New directions in thought and social norms have created an atmosphere where it's OK for men to express feelings and affections, as well as possessing characteristics unbecoming of a traditional man. It's become accepted for men to wear effeminate clothing, wear makeup, get manicures - all things that would have probably gotten a person ostracized just a few decades ago.

Its become tolerated for men to wear those clothes, though I hesitate to call it accepted. To be honest, outside of fashion magazines and a few shows, I dont know a single person that would not point and laugh at a man wearing silly clothes. Hell, most woman hate men that dress like that. Physical masculinity is still very much in demand.

As for expresing feelings, Idunno...I consider myself quite manly (I work a physical job, have a beard, drink beer, lift weights, and enjoy a warm bed with a woman in it) but when I watch Babe or Finding Nemo I always go "Awwww thats cute". People have given me crap for it, but I dont care. Whats more masculine: adhering to some idealistic standard of being a manly man, or being at peace with yourself and not giving a damn about some douche's opinion? I say the latter.

As for manicures, some of the most manly men in history have received them. You think uberpowerful dictators or rich, amazing athletes did not have nice nails?

It's not just pop culture and trends in **** that are changing men. As our governing body becomes more integrated with the female sex, laws are being put into effect to limit displays of aggression and other behaviors that are simply ingrained into the minds of males. In some cases, laws that were always around are being more strictly enforced.

Its called civilization. Do you really want the barbarians back? I like going to the bars and knowing that some guy cant beat me up for accidentally hitting on his girlfriend. Or, should he attack me, I like knowing he can go to jail or I can claim self-defense. I agree some of the laws are a bit strict (I dont want anyone to have something put on their record simply because of a drunken mistake), but seriously....its a good thing.

There is also something else you need to note. Men more in touch with the changing world (Dare I say more liberally-minded men) have no issues adapting to these laws and stuff that "curb" male aggression. It is the primitive, lesser educated, and backwood males that have the issues, and to be honest no one likes them. A week ago a friend from the Central Valley (he is a farmer) in CA came down to visit and another friend called him gay so he slugged him. Hey, if he wants to be angry, fine! But a response like that is uncalled for, and speaks volumes for your character.

My question to you, gentlemen, is where will this lead us? Are these behaviors that typify a manly man simply archaic expressions of primal urges? Or are they a necessary display of dominance and surliness that have kept clans, cities, and nations safe from outward threats? As men move to become more like women, and women more like men, are we headed for an equal society where a person is not defined by their gender, or are we setting ourselves up for a blunder of social roles, where the sex that is not as greatly suited to a task is assigned to it regardless of biology?

Who knows? All I know is I loved having women sit next to me in ****(something uncommon and frowned upon decades ago), and I love working next to women. Three out of five of my relationships have been with coworkers. So if women want to work, let them.

major_silva

In short, what it sounds like you are asking for is a return to "Me no like, me smash you!" attitude our primitive, uneducated, bigoted ancestors had.

I dont want that. I like equality. I like being around women; something about estrogen in the air gets me blood moving, not to mention the eye candy.

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#18 Thread_Derailer
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I think men are becoming more civilized to be honest. Machismo has nothing to do with masculinity.
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#19 mrbojangles25
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I think men are becoming more civilized to be honest. Machismo has nothing to do with masculinity.Thread_Derailer

QFT

you just summarized what I spent like 10 minutes typing out into two sentences. How do you do that!?

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#20 Thread_Derailer
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[QUOTE="Thread_Derailer"]I think men are becoming more civilized to be honest. Machismo has nothing to do with masculinity.mrbojangles25

QFT

you just summarized what I spent like 10 minutes typing out into two sentences. How do you do that!?

I don't know. It's just what I felt like typing. I've been hearing about this feminization of men for a while now, and I've thought about it, and I came to the conclusion that we aren't being girly, we're just evolving, and being less brutal. Less macho. So when our machismo fades away so will all of the stupid habits that supported it.
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#21 sAndroid17
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pfft. its only metros that are becoming emasculated, they aren't real men anyway.
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#22 freshgman
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[QUOTE="Thread_Derailer"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I think men are becoming more civilized to be honest. Machismo has nothing to do with masculinity.Thread_Derailer

QFT

you just summarized what I spent like 10 minutes typing out into two sentences. How do you do that!?

I don't know. It's just what I felt like typing. I've been hearing about this feminization of men for a while now, and I've thought about it, and I came to the conclusion that we aren't being girly, we're just evolving, and being less brutal. Less macho. So when our machismo fades away so will all of the stupid habits that supported it.

but that machismo is much needed still
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#23 Thread_Derailer
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[QUOTE="Thread_Derailer"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

QFT

you just summarized what I spent like 10 minutes typing out into two sentences. How do you do that!?

freshgman

I don't know. It's just what I felt like typing. I've been hearing about this feminization of men for a while now, and I've thought about it, and I came to the conclusion that we aren't being girly, we're just evolving, and being less brutal. Less macho. So when our machismo fades away so will all of the stupid habits that supported it.

but that machismo is much needed still

For what

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#24 Jaguar_Shade
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[QUOTE="freshgman"][QUOTE="Thread_Derailer"] I don't know. It's just what I felt like typing. I've been hearing about this feminization of men for a while now, and I've thought about it, and I came to the conclusion that we aren't being girly, we're just evolving, and being less brutal. Less macho. So when our machismo fades away so will all of the stupid habits that supported it. Thread_Derailer
but that machismo is much needed still

For what

Wrestlemania?

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#25 Thread_Derailer
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[QUOTE="Thread_Derailer"][QUOTE="freshgman"] but that machismo is much needed stillJaguar_Shade

For what

Wrestlemania?

But that's an act.
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#26 michaelP4
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I think humanity is becoming more civilised in general, and with this evolution, comes change on what is acceptable and what is not acceptable, socially. Like wouldn't priests that wear robes seem girly? Of course not, but that is because it is normal for them to wear robes as it is a tradition, while it's not normal to see a man wearing one for fashion. It poses the type of question like "Who says pink is for girls and blue is for boys?", and the answer to that is that nobody said it, it is just how things turned out, and in reality, they are just colours, a man wearing pink doesn't make him any less than a man wearing blue, alike with a woman who wears blue is no less than a woman that wears pink. Thankfully our society has progressively moved on from these issues, mostly. :)
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#27 -Panjera-
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pfft. its only metros that are becoming emasculated, they aren't real men anyway.sAndroid17
Agreed. Hah, shoulda seen this "guy" that came into my work today, honestly, if i hadn't seen him from the front first i woulda thought it was a chick.
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#28 Rigga911
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the more women the better
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#29 mrbojangles25
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[QUOTE="Jaguar_Shade"][QUOTE="Thread_Derailer"]

For what

Thread_Derailer

Wrestlemania?

But that's an act.

take that back! wrstling is real!

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#30 A1B2C3CAL
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I don't put a wig on and kiss the mirror! How dare you accuse...
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#31 194197844077667059316682358889
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Notions of "extreme machismo" are relatively modern in development; 100-150 years ago, there was little stigma in me speaking openly of friendly affection toward one another.
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#32 qwertyoip
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whats bad is that women are now demanding all sorts of **** for free because they're women, and I have yet to see a guy win a legal fight when he hit a women because she attacked him...
What I would say equality is if joe punches me and i floor him its ok, but if the female wants to be treated equal in one sense then if she hits me she better like the taste of my knuckles.
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whats bad is that women are now demanding all sorts of **** for free because they're women, and I have yet to see a guy win a legal fight when he hit a women because she attacked him...
What I would say equality is if joe punches me and i floor him its ok, but if the female wants to be treated equal in one sense then if she hits me she better like the taste of my knuckles.qwertyoip
Is this really a widespread problem in your experience?
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[QUOTE="qwertyoip"]whats bad is that women are now demanding all sorts of **** for free because they're women, and I have yet to see a guy win a legal fight when he hit a women because she attacked him...
What I would say equality is if joe punches me and i floor him its ok, but if the female wants to be treated equal in one sense then if she hits me she better like the taste of my knuckles.xaos
Is this really a widespread problem in your experience?

no, but im sick and tired of women i know combining "equality" with "job perks" and "men cannot hit women ever". Im just sayin you get all or nothin. Knowhatimean?
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[QUOTE="qwertyoip"]whats bad is that women are now demanding all sorts of **** for free because they're women, and I have yet to see a guy win a legal fight when he hit a women because she attacked him...
What I would say equality is if joe punches me and i floor him its ok, but if the female wants to be treated equal in one sense then if she hits me she better like the taste of my knuckles.xaos
Is this really a widespread problem in your experience?

If I may quote the wise and all-knowing Dave Chappelle:

"Chivalry is dead....and women killed it".

I am all for equality, but I find it a bit tough to uncondtionally support it when with one hand women demand equality, yet on the other hand every time they are treated poorly they pull the lady card. It doesnt happen a lot, but it happens enough. Society, and the legal system, still see women as weak and thus rule in their favor more frequently, especially in marriage and custody disputes, though I suppose that is for different reasons.

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It's not a bad thing. First of all, I never judge people who think that men should act like men, I don't judge people who'd rather fight it out than talk it out, I don't judge people who throw away a good-looking jacket because it isn't masculine enough... it IS in their nature to behave and be comfortable with that way of life.
But I DO judge people who want to force other people to go against THEIR nature of wearing a scarf around their neck or go to dancing school or enlist to the army.

Basically, I think you're allowed to believe whatever you want as long you don't try to shoehorn people into an unfitting "role". And you can't decide where people fit and where they're most comfortable by what they have between their legs.
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It's not a bad thing. First of all, I never judge people who think that men should act like men, I don't judge people who'd rather fight it out than talk it out, I don't judge people who throw away a good-looking jacket because it isn't masculine enough... it IS in their nature to behave and be comfortable with that way of life.
But I DO judge people who want to force other people to go against THEIR nature of wearing a scarf around their neck or go to dancing school or enlist to the army.

Basically, I think you're allowed to believe whatever you want as long you don't try to shoehorn people into an unfitting "role". And you can't decide where people fit and where they're most comfortable by what they have between their legs. Hungry_bunny
I was getting all psyched up to go into a big "men being men" "harden up" "bring back the biff" rant until I read your second paragraph. I guess it is fair enough to be the type of male you wanna me. But maybe where my own discontent comes is that the tables are turning and we're being encouraged to cry, talk about our feelings, and all that stuff...
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#38 kakkarott23
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A little more than 2000 years ago it was ok for an older man to go out and have sexual intercourse with another man. That was considered "manly". No people see it as far from the case. People's values are changing not peoples "manliness". Personally I like some of the changes. I got into a car accident and needed surgery and I was being called a wuss by one of those people who thinks a real man works through any illness or injury. He is also can't walk straight cause his back is jacked up but that is him. People need to learn to express themselves cause life is too short to be bitter over holding in emotions that you want to get out. Plus not everyone wants to be in a bar fight so if someone attacks me then I want justice. People seem to think that you have to be like Marcus Phoenix to be a man.
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#39 metroidfood
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I think a lot of masculine traits were really just decided by society.

Like a guy having feelings, what is wrong (or unmanly) with that? :|

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#40 A1B2C3CAL
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I think a lot of masculine traits were really just decided by society.

Like a guy having feelings, what is wrong (or unmanly) with that? :|

metroidfood
Nothing at all. All humans have feelings, sterotypes aren't fun. :(
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#41 metroidfood
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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

I think a lot of masculine traits were really just decided by society.

Like a guy having feelings, what is wrong (or unmanly) with that? :|

A1B2C3CAL
Nothing at all. All humans have feelings, sterotypes aren't fun. :(

Quiet you! Unless you bottle up your depression and hide it from society you'll never be a real man! :x
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[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]It's not a bad thing. First of all, I never judge people who think that men should act like men, I don't judge people who'd rather fight it out than talk it out, I don't judge people who throw away a good-looking jacket because it isn't masculine enough... it IS in their nature to behave and be comfortable with that way of life.
But I DO judge people who want to force other people to go against THEIR nature of wearing a scarf around their neck or go to dancing school or enlist to the army.

Basically, I think you're allowed to believe whatever you want as long you don't try to shoehorn people into an unfitting "role". And you can't decide where people fit and where they're most comfortable by what they have between their legs. D3nnyCrane
I was getting all psyched up to go into a big "men being men" "harden up" "bring back the biff" rant until I read your second paragraph. I guess it is fair enough to be the type of male you wanna me. But maybe where my own discontent comes is that the tables are turning and we're being encouraged to cry, talk about our feelings, and all that stuff...

To be honest, I hate that too. >_> I've been accused of being a faker because I've said that I've never cried during a movie... but that's also just a different way of forcing a behavior on people.
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#43 skelebull3000
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I dunno, the 17th century had some really girly fashion statements. http://www.nmm.ac.uk/places/queens-house/fact-files/beauty-in-the-17th-century
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#44 maheo30
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They are trying to make manskirts popular. That tells you all you need to know. And I don't mean kilts either/
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#45 194197844077667059316682358889
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They are trying to make manskirts popular. That tells you all you need to know. And I don't mean kilts either/ maheo30
"They" are? You mean THEM?
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#46 clembo1990
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Men will never be like women and visa versa, if some men choose to emulate feminine attributes then it is merely aesthetic, the mental gap is omnipresent.
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#47 DivineDragonZ
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studies have proven that the the male hormon has decreased so ya
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#48 Dr_Brocoli
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It's a commonly known fact that as time progresses, men are becoming less like men, and more like women. A century ago or less, it was almost unheard of for a man to be sued or incarcerated for getting into something like a bar fight. Fifty years ago it was considered outlandish for a woman to have a career instead of presiding over household activities.

The intro to your post points out abolishment of sexism.

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studies have proven that the the male hormon has decreased so yaDivineDragonZ
Wikipedia sez: citation needed
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#50 DivineDragonZ
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and i know guys can feel threatened by this but it is just the way things are working out