Are men smarter than women??

[QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]*sigh* No it doesn't depend what kind of "smart" you are. One either has intelligence or they do not. It's not subjective. An unintelligent person would not be able to correctly assess the intelligence of someone much more intelligent than they are because they lack the skills to do so. That DOES NOT make the intelligent person less intelligent.:roll:LJS9502_basic

You can be "smart" in different ways. And that is why I believe it to be subjective. For example some one can be smart in more than one way (How quickly one may learn, ability to solve problems, reasoning (again one may judge another on how they reason so I find this one rather important >_>.), etc.) One may judge another's intelligence on any one of those ways.

I'm very sorry if there is a misunderstanding here.:P

Yes, and? It is always put under intellect. And that is why I believe it to be based upon opinion.

[QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not talking about gender here. I'm talking about intelligence not being subjective. It's not. We can tell the difference between those with intelligence and those lacking intelligence even without a test. However, IQ is a decent way to test. There is a difference between and IQ of 60...and IQ of 100...and an IQ of 140. There is no subjectiveness here.Funky_Llama

*sigh* Again, it also depends and what kind of "smart" you are. That is the subjectivity, some one's perspective on what kind of smart a person is.

I watched a video on EVOLUTION and I heard that it was because of women choosing men for their intelligence and personality that led to the intelligence of the human race that we see today.

Rikusaki

I'm smarter than women.jointed

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"]

You can be "smart" in different ways. And that is why I believe it to be subjective. For example some one can be smart in more than one way (How quickly one may learn, ability to solve problems, reasoning (again one may judge another on how they reason so I find this one rather important >_>.), etc.) One may judge another's intelligence on any one of those ways.

I'm very sorry if there is a misunderstanding here.:P

TheOddQuantum

Yes, and? It is always put under intellect. And that is why I believe it to be based upon opinion.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"]

*sigh* Again, it also depends and what kind of "smart" you are. That is the subjectivity, some one's perspective on what kind of smart a person is.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="jointed"]I'm smarter than women.Jandurin

I watched a video on EVOLUTION and I heard that it was because of women choosing men for their intelligence and personality that led to the intelligence of the human race that we see today.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]No it isn't. It just means that intelligence is represented in more than one area.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You know those are all related brain activities? Right?LJS9502_basic

Yes, and? It is always put under intellect. And that is why I believe it to be based upon opinion.

Well I guess, by what I've understood of what you are saying: There is no possible way to judge or have an opinion on how Intelligent some one is :|

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's not true. The reason IQ tests are accepted is because they (correct ones at least) test the ability of the brain to reason and use logic to come up with an answer. In essence they test how the brain functions. They don't test education. That is entirely different. One who has innate intelligence has innate intelligence and someone's subjective perception does not and can not change that fact. This is the same argument as people using music taste to determine talent. Talent and intelligence are not determined by an outside forces appreciation of the quality.LJS9502_basic

No! >_>Rikusaki

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]That's kinda what I meant. I don't know, I might have misinterpreted his post or something. But what I'm saying is that intelligence is quite simply the (objective) degree to which humans are capable of cognitive function, and that manifests itself in lots of other areas, such as maths, science, language, etc.Funky_Llama

Right, now I'm very very very very confused:cry:

Maybe I'm just getting everything mixed up T_T

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]No! >_>Jandurin

Yup, that's the impression I got. It strikes me as a little ridiculous given that what he's saying is that humans aren't objectively smarter than maggots.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes...well he is saying it's subjective...not objective.TheOddQuantum

Right, now I'm very very very very confused:cry:

Maybe I'm just getting everything mixed up T_T

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"] Yup, that's the impression I got. It strikes me as a little ridiculous given that what he's saying is that humans aren't objectively smarter than maggots.LJS9502_basic

Yup, that's the impression I got. It strikes me as a little ridiculous given that what he's saying is that humans aren't objectively smarter than maggots.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"] Yup, that's the impression I got. It strikes me as a little ridiculous given that what he's saying is that humans aren't objectively smarter than maggots.Funky_Llama

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jandurin

What I meant is that Some find people intelligent while others may think him otherwise. I might find Stephen Hawking to be very intelligent, others may find him unintelligent.TheOddQuantum

women are smarter when it comes to fashion and gossip. men are smarter when it comes to, you know, useful stuff :Pcomp_atkins

[QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"]What I meant is that Some find people intelligent while others may think him otherwise. I might find Stephen Hawking to be very intelligent, others may find him unintelligent.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's not true. The reason IQ tests are accepted is because they (correct ones at least) test the ability of the brain to reason and use logic to come up with an answer. In essence they test how the brain functions. They don't test education. That is entirely different. One who has innate intelligence has innate intelligence and someone's subjective perception does not and can not change that fact. This is the same argument as people using music taste to determine talent. Talent and intelligence are not determined by an outside forces appreciation of the quality.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]That's kinda what I meant. I don't know, I might have misinterpreted his post or something. But what I'm saying is that intelligence is quite simply the (objective) degree to which humans are capable of cognitive function, and that manifests itself in lots of other areas, such as maths, science, language, etc.Sajedene

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes...well he is saying it's subjective...not objective.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] Logically, this would be an objective argument. But what is truly objective anyway. All of the studies you can find on this subject does not have a big enough sample and one can always question the sample pool and all that. Not everyone has done an IQ test and when you do take IQ test samples, and say grab two people with the same score -- one will be strong in one subject over the other. Can it be said that they are equally intelligent -- or does one question which one of their strengths is more important to determine that? When it comes down to it, especially with the question at hand (men vs women) -- as everyone in this thread has shown by their responses... it is subjective.Sajedene

Short answer Yes with an IF....Long answer No with a BUT....if you need additional solace I have something or other by Art Linkletter in my office.Legacyoftain

males are much smater then females but females tend to be sly and try harder in class but males do the clear opposite(well thats how it is usually)

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]That doesn't mean it's subjective. It means it's impossible to know for certain.LJS9502_basic

Yes you can and we do it all the time.

The only time we can answer this question objectively is to administer regional/national/global IQ tests (that is your choice for this situation in regards to the "how to measure smart" -- although really all you are measuring is intelligence) and then pool the results. But there is no way to do that at the moment.

And if there was a way -- and we gather the collective numbers, one persons IQ versus another is all but a number. And then it comes down to what they actually know and what is more valuable information to them and to us. Then you get the curve ball idiot savants who are smarter than me in some sense but can't function normally in world.

And you forget -- the question is are men smarter than women.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] Because it's subjective. Sajedene

Yes you can and we do it all the time.

The only time we can answer this question objectively is to administer regional/national/global IQ tests (that is your choice for this situation in regards to the "how to measure smart" -- although really all you are measuring is intelligence) and then pool the results. But there is no way to do that at the moment.

And if there was a way -- and we gather the collective numbers, one persons IQ versus another is all but a number. And then it comes down to what they actually know and what is more valuable information to them and to us. Then you get the curve ball idiot savants who are smarter than me in some sense but can't function normally in world.

And you forget -- the question is are men smarter than women.

This question is impossible to answer. This thread is worse than banning something that is already banned.

Yes you can and we do it all the time.

The only time we can answer this question objectively is to administer regional/national/global IQ tests (that is your choice for this situation in regards to the "how to measure smart" -- although really all you are measuring is intelligence) and then pool the results. But there is no way to do that at the moment.

And if there was a way -- and we gather the collective numbers, one persons IQ versus another is all but a number. And then it comes down to what they actually know and what is more valuable information to them and to us. Then you get the curve ball idiot savants who are smarter than me in some sense but can't function normally in world.

And you forget -- the question is are men smarter than women.

Sajedene

We get an impression of someone's intelligence by clues. But that does not mean intelligence is subjective merely that we "see" evidence of it....or not.

And I answered the topic question long ago......it varies by individual.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]

Yes you can and we do it all the time.

The only time we can answer this question objectively is to administer regional/national/global IQ tests (that is your choice for this situation in regards to the "how to measure smart" -- although really all you are measuring is intelligence) and then pool the results. But there is no way to do that at the moment.

And if there was a way -- and we gather the collective numbers, one persons IQ versus another is all but a number. And then it comes down to what they actually know and what is more valuable information to them and to us. Then you get the curve ball idiot savants who are smarter than me in some sense but can't function normally in world.

And you forget -- the question is are men smarter than women.

LJS9502_basic

We get an impression of someone's intelligence by clues. But that does not mean intelligence is subjective merely that we "see" evidence of it....or not.

And I answered the topic question long ago......it varies by individual.

And my original answer -- which is it is subjective is in response to the original question. And when people quoted me on it you say it isn't because of intelligence and the IQ test.

Funky_Lama: Because everyone seems to be answering the question and voted in the polls -- you ask yourself and I ask others, based on what is your answer. Research that are done on this subject brings about objections from others and questions their pool/sample size. Any answer to this question is subjective by definition because we do not have the means to answer it objectively.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]

Yes you can and we do it all the time.

The only time we can answer this question objectively is to administer regional/national/global IQ tests (that is your choice for this situation in regards to the "how to measure smart" -- although really all you are measuring is intelligence) and then pool the results. But there is no way to do that at the moment.

And if there was a way -- and we gather the collective numbers, one persons IQ versus another is all but a number. And then it comes down to what they actually know and what is more valuable information to them and to us. Then you get the curve ball idiot savants who are smarter than me in some sense but can't function normally in world.

And you forget -- the question is are men smarter than women.

Sajedene

We get an impression of someone's intelligence by clues. But that does not mean intelligence is subjective merely that we "see" evidence of it....or not.

And I answered the topic question long ago......it varies by individual.

And my original answer -- which is it is subjective is in response to the original question. And when people quoted me on it you say it isn't because of intelligence and the IQ test.

Funky_Lama: Because everyone seems to be answering the question and voted in the polls -- you ask yourself and I ask others, based on what is your answer. Research that are done on this subject brings about objections from others and questions their pool/sample size. Any answer to this question is subjective by definition because we do not have the means to answer it objectively.

But honestly, does it really matter?socked_feet

And my original answer -- which is it is subjective is in response to the original question. And when people quoted me on it you say it isn't because of intelligence and the IQ test.

Sajedene

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]

And my original answer -- which is it is subjective is in response to the original question. And when people quoted me on it you say it isn't because of intelligence and the IQ test.

LJS9502_basic

As some people have posted, the first question to be asked is what would one define as smart? You define smart as someone with intelligence (with it determined by an IQ test) -- by definition, Intelligence is the capacity to aquire AND APPLY knowledge. And yet you are saying it is innate. We are born with it? So we can't learn to be smarter? to be more intelligent? And if we can... How does one test this? An IQ test on paper? What intelligence are we talking about? Emotional, Social? Book smarts vs. Street smarts? Would someone with an education be deemed more intelligent than someone without? And what knowledge are we talking about here? What is the most important information one must have to be deemed intelligent? Smart?

I see where you are trying to get at but thats only with one set definition on the topics at hand.

Oh come on. That's not what subjectivity is at all. Just because we don't know something objectively doesn't mean that it's subjective. I don't know whether God exists; does that mean that the existence of God is subjective?Funky_Llama

One can argue that it either is or it isn't (objectivity) but we can't do that so any answer to that is subjective. There would never be a satisfying answer for it and any answer for it other than I don't know would be subjective. You're looking at objectivity and subjectivity as if there is a finite answer we can all agree upon to these questions (who is smarter/does god exist). But there is no objective answers to these questions. We can try to be as objective as possible (by doing research, studies, tests, etc) but then any interpretation of it falls into the subjective.