Are More Gamespottians Republican Now?

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] Maybe if you saw the whole conversation then you wouldnt be saying such things. I am basing this off of charts that have been skewered. My point is that Bush tax cuts dont really do much for the economy especially during the recession. That is the main point. Especially since it added to the deficit.gaming25

I saw the whole conversation. I also still stand by my position since the vast majority of economists want the tax cuts extended, and the few who do not happen to be particularly concerned about the deficit. Ben Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve says that the Bush Tax cuts are needed to keep spending levels up.

The tax cuts are relatively unrelated to the rest of congress' economic agenda. It's not some part of an elaborate comprehensive structutred plan. If they let the cuts die, that doesn't mean that they'll get money "straight into the hands of the people who need it the most." In all likelyhood, they probably won't think that since they chopped off $XY Billion off the defecit that they should just spend it elsewhere.

With respect to increasing them for the middle and lower c1ass, I do understand the argument, and it has some merit. On one hand, the more wealthy have a lower propensity to consume than the middle and lower c1ass, thus diminishing their relative effectiveness in terms of stimulus. Arguably one may make the argument that their money would be better put towards the deficit. I don't quite agree, but I do recognize value in the argument. I wish I would have understood you more clearly.

Anyway, it is getting quite late, and my posts are slowly diminishing into incomprehensible gibberish, so I believe that I will bid you adieu, and call it an evening.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

You wouldn't happen to be talking about tax cuts about $250,000? What would that accomplish besides more hoarding?

gaming25

According to economists and statistics, spending and economic investment. After the recession is over, that may change though.

In all technicality, it has been over for a year, yes. However reducing expenditure levels would be problematic for employment growth.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I saw the whole conversation. I also still stand by my position since the vast majority of economists want the tax cuts extended, and the few who do not happen to be particularly concerned about the deficit. Ben Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve says that the Bush Tax cuts are needed to keep spending levels up.

coolbeans90

You wouldn't happen to be talking about tax cuts about $250,000? What would that accomplish besides more hoarding?

According to economists and statistics, spending and economic investment. After the recession is over, that may change though.

I'm no expert, but we need to be more Pro-Consumer and less Pro-Business sooner than later. Businesses aren't doing business that will generally effect the rest of the economy, just the top 20% really.

In other words, various types of welfare, unemployment benefits, tax cuts for lower brackets only, etc seem like smarter ideas to me because it definitely gets spent and businesses can getmore revenue. Also, breaking the industrial trusts that we have should stimulate the economy, but alas, Barack has no stomach to go after Wall Street.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

You wouldn't happen to be talking about tax cuts about $250,000? What would that accomplish besides more hoarding?

Ultimas_Blade

According to economists and statistics, spending and economic investment. After the recession is over, that may change though.

I'm no expert, but we need to be more Pro-Consumer and less Pro-Business sooner than later. Businesses aren't doing business that will generally effect the rest of the economy, just the top 20% really.

In other words, various types of welfare, unemployment benefits, tax cuts for lower brackets only, etc seem like smarter ideas to me because it definitely gets spent and businesses can getmore revenue. Also, breaking the industrial trusts that we have should stimulate the economy, but alas, Barack has no stomach to go after Wall Street.

The whole consumer-business deal is a circular relationship. Businesses provide the majority of jobs within the U.S., the sooner they are up and running, the sooner jobs are restored. Unemployment is currently hovering around 9.6% last I heard, and I doubt that they are in the top 20% of earners. I'm also not particularly convinced that the consumers are getting screwed by business at the moment.

Anyone else noticed this? Earlier this year no one but me it seemed like was a republican but now it seems everyone is. What about you?

dunl12496

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I also doubt your capability to prove those statements, which is reasonable. But to claim something that one cannot support is not reasonable.

coolbeans90

I saw the whole conversation. I also still stand by my position since the vast majority of economists want the tax cuts extended, and the few who do not happen to be particularly concerned about the deficit. Ben Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve says that the Bush Tax cuts are needed to keep spending levels up.

Interestingly though, from the first link, "But amid concerns about the deficit, 23 respondents said the extension should be offset with spending cuts or other taxes," which seems counter-productive if the purpose of extending the tax cuts is for further stimulative (or at least anti-depressive) measures.

In all honesty, I'm not convinced that extending the Bush tax cuts is the most efficient (or even a particularly efficient) anti-depressive/stimulative method. Perhaps if the choice is to temporarily extend Bush tax cuts to all or only to the middle cIass (with no other stimulative measures taken with the extra revenue earned) I would support it, but there's no reason that those should be the only two options.

I sure hope so, or at least libertarian. I'm tired of seeing this place infested with liberals....no offense. :P

peaceful_anger

idk, but about 80% is anti-Obama, which I find ridiculous.funsohng

My feelings are mutual. I would like to see this forum full of Libertarians though I think we have quite a few of us alreadytestfactor888

Anyone else noticed this? Earlier this year no one but me it seemed like was a republican but now it seems everyone is. What about you?

dunl12496

The correct verbiage is "Gamespotters".:P

There are some Republicans and Independents here.

I am independent. Both sides have disappointed me so much the past ten years that I refuse to be either one. I see almost no reason to follow most of the politicians we have right now.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]When looking through one side of the glass you tend to pay more attention to the other side. I would say in debates it's about even.airshocker

I don't know....I can name more liberals than conservatives in OT. And that's just going by "big" names. :P

ahem ahem Xaos. I mean come on! The devil is liberal!

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

Anyone else noticed this? Earlier this year no one but me it seemed like was a republican but now it seems everyone is. What about you?

topsemag55

The correct verbiage is "Gamespotters".:P

There are some Republicans and Independents here.

I'm pushing for a gamespottian bill.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

According to economists and statistics, spending and economic investment. After the recession is over, that may change though.

I'm no expert, but we need to be more Pro-Consumer and less Pro-Business sooner than later. Businesses aren't doing business that will generally effect the rest of the economy, just the top 20% really.

In other words, various types of welfare, unemployment benefits, tax cuts for lower brackets only, etc seem like smarter ideas to me because it definitely gets spent and businesses can getmore revenue. Also, breaking the industrial trusts that we have should stimulate the economy, but alas, Barack has no stomach to go after Wall Street.

The whole consumer-business deal is a circular relationship. Businesses provide the majority of jobs within the U.S., the sooner they are up and running, the sooner jobs are restored. Unemployment is currently hovering around 9.6% last I heard, and I doubt that they are in the top 20% of earners. I'm also not particularly convinced that the consumers are getting screwed by business at the moment.

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

Anyone else noticed this? Earlier this year no one but me it seemed like was a republican but now it seems everyone is. What about you?

dunl12496

The correct verbiage is "Gamespotters".:P

There are some Republicans and Independents here.

I'm pushing for a gamespottian bill.

Then you might be the only one.:P:lol:

That's like calling Trekkers "Trekkies".:lol:

At the very basic, yes I am. But, that hasn't stopped me from voting Democrat if I felt that candidate was the best for the job. I'm not the kind to vote solely on party lines. My party merely reflects my beliefs. I'm willing to set that aside for what I feel is the greater good.

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

The correct verbiage is "Gamespotters".:P

There are some Republicans and Independents here.

topsemag55

I'm pushing for a gamespottian bill.

Then you might be the only one.:P:lol:

That's like calling Trekkers "Trekkies".:lol:

I'll just pass it when everyone's asleep. :D

This is a joke, right? OT is a microcosm of the average university or college in terms of political ideology breakdown. Which means mostly liberal, few moderates, and even fewer conservatives.FragStains

EXTREMELY good point. Clap clap!

[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]

I sure hope so, or at least libertarian. I'm tired of seeing this place infested with liberals....no offense. :P

testfactor888

idk, but about 80% is anti-Obama, which I find ridiculous.funsohng

I'm beginning to like testfactor more and more...a Libertarian that speaks Republican.:P:lol:

I have noticed a bigger population of fellow hatemongers than there were when I first became a regular. But I became a regular back in like '05, so there was plenty of Bush-hate to feed off of.fidosim

Fellow hatemonger, reporting for duty, SIR !!!

I guees I've been here since 08 (?). I'm a registered Libertarian that usually finds himself voting republican cuz I can't risk letting the democrat in to steal my money and give it to deadbeats that won't work (just had to let a little hatemonger come out, sorry).

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

I'm no expert, but we need to be more Pro-Consumer and less Pro-Business sooner than later. Businesses aren't doing business that will generally effect the rest of the economy, just the top 20% really.

In other words, various types of welfare, unemployment benefits, tax cuts for lower brackets only, etc seem like smarter ideas to me because it definitely gets spent and businesses can getmore revenue. Also, breaking the industrial trusts that we have should stimulate the economy, but alas, Barack has no stomach to go after Wall Street.

gaming25

The whole consumer-business deal is a circular relationship. Businesses provide the majority of jobs within the U.S., the sooner they are up and running, the sooner jobs are restored. Unemployment is currently hovering around 9.6% last I heard, and I doubt that they are in the top 20% of earners. I'm also not particularly convinced that the consumers are getting screwed by business at the moment.

Proportionally speaking, neither would the amount of the defecit covered be drastic by allowing the cuts to expire.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] Maybe if you saw the whole conversation then you wouldnt be saying such things. I am basing this off of charts that have been skewered. My point is that Bush tax cuts dont really do much for the economy especially during the recession. That is the main point. Especially since it added to the deficit.chessmaster1989

I saw the whole conversation. I also still stand by my position since the vast majority of economists want the tax cuts extended, and the few who do not happen to be particularly concerned about the deficit. Ben Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve says that the Bush Tax cuts are needed to keep spending levels up.

Interestingly though, from the first link, "But amid concerns about the deficit, 23 respondents said the extension should be offset with spending cuts or other taxes," which seems counter-productive if the purpose of extending the tax cuts is for further stimulative (or at least anti-depressive) measures.

In all honesty, I'm not convinced that extending the Bush tax cuts is the most efficient (or even a particularly efficient) anti-depressive/stimulative method. Perhaps if the choice is to temporarily extend Bush tax cuts to all or only to the middle cIass (with no other stimulative measures taken with the extra revenue earned) I would support it, but there's no reason that those should be the only two options.

I think that it would have to be a temporary measure. Once the employment level is up to snuff, then I think at the very least, the tax cuts for the rich will need to expire for the sake of restoring fiscal balance. If were talking about a permanent extension of the cuts, I can't say that I support the idea of renewing the tax cuts, especially if it is the whole package. I'm not convinced that it is relatively speaking a particularly effective form of stimulus, but I have my fairly strong doubts that if congress happens to expire the cuts, that they will then proceed to place the newly acquired revenue elsewhere.

both political parties are filled with crooked little toadies more concerned with gaining personal power and selling themselves to the special interest group with the most money than serving the people.

i cannot associate myself with either one.

I have no mouth and I must scream.

I'm beginning to like testfactor more and more...a Libertarian that speaks Republican.:P:lol:

topsemag55

Republican? Me? Not now, not ever.

Working a part time job making 40k equivelent a year (if I work full time hours) is considered as "rich" by government as shown in my deduction of my pay check. Since I am consider rich that gets no social benifits, but, not as rich as Bill Gates or Movie Stars. You can imagine where my vote goes to.magicalclick

You arent considered rich by the government just because you have a deduction.