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#1 mig_killer2
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#2 Hinata237
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Some people probably are, but it really doesn't matter.
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#3 194197844077667059316682358889
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Since sexuality does not generally present in infancy, I'd say its hard to say canonically.
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#4 Mumbles527
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Yes they are. Being gay isn't a choice, its just how people are.
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Don't really know, since it ain't an issue affecting me.
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We really don't know and probably never will.
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the reason I asked this is because in my 1st period class I brought up the possibility that homosexuality might be in fact genetic, and this guy said, and I **** you not "People are gay because of sin and they can stop if they turn to God"

Now, I wanted to ask for some sort of evidence, but I didn't for some reason

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its a possibly though i wouldnt really know for sure, so i cant give a honest answer. but i'm thinking that situations in their lives could possibly change them to that state to
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Are people born as asterisks? What? Your topic is unclear.
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#11 Alpha-909
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Actually, it is genetics. It's been proven.
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you have seemed to take Mohan88's position of desperatly trying to make "controversial" topics just to get a lot of posts....

Everybody here knows that there are tons of these topics...this is unneccsary...

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It still won't change the fact that it will get 100+ posts before it gets shut down...Yeesh.

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Actually, it is genetics. It's been proven.Alpha-909
great. I'd like to see some evidence please!
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Actually, it is genetics. It's been proven.Alpha-909

Not yet...

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its a possibly though i wouldnt really know for sure, so i cant give a honest answer. but i'm thinking that situations in their lives could possibly change them to that state to2ndWonder
What situations? I was raised in a perfectly normal home with nothing particularly remarkable. I was aware of my same-sex attractions from a pretty early age, though.
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Some people are
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#18 Oleg_Huzwog
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I brought up the possibility that homosexuality might be in fact geneticmig_killer2

If I might play Devil's advocate: wouldn't homosexuality be filtered from the gene pool with heterosexuals being more likely to have children?

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[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]I brought up the possibility that homosexuality might be in fact geneticOleg_Huzwog

If I might play Devil's advocate: wouldn't homosexuality be filtered from the gene pool with heterosexuals being more likely to have children?

what?
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[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]I brought up the possibility that homosexuality might be in fact geneticOleg_Huzwog

If I might play Devil's advocate: wouldn't homosexuality be filtered from the gene pool with heterosexuals being more likely to have children?

Not if it were a recessive trait
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#21 cornlockes
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no. no they are not

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You should have had a not sure option.
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no. no they are not

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Cool; when will you be presenting your research and evidence, and at what conference?
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You should have had a not sure option.leegar88

Or how about a What does it matter option because people are what they are.

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yes and no. like anything its genes and enviroment.
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Since sexuality does not generally present in infancy, I'd say its hard to say canonically.xaos
Yeah, it's difficult to really say if they are born with it, but I am convinced that it can show early, and is caused by abnormal levels of testosterone.
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Well you don't see male lions trying to mate with eachother do you?
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[QUOTE="leegar88"]You should have had a not sure option.LJS9502_basic

Or how about a What does it matter option because people are what they are.

Oh you have found the true answer my son.

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Very good point.
Well you don't see male lions trying to mate with eachother do you?NicktehImperial
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What situations? I was raised in a perfectly normal home with nothing particularly remarkable. I was aware of my same-sex attractions from a pretty early age, though.xaos
idk, maybe guy/girl could be rejected by the oppsite gender mulitiple times and that could lead to them, though my thoery on that could be way off the mark. i know a*** guy (no he's not attracted to me, and no i'm not*** if anyone gets the wrong impression), he told me that he wasnt always ***, he wouldnt really get into detail about what happend to cause him to be like this, but hedid tell me that things that happend caused him to be that way. though many factors can attribute to a person becoming *** though its different for some people
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[QUOTE="cornlockes"]

no. no they are not

xaos

Cool; when will you be presenting your research and evidence, and at what conference?

when you show me the evidencethat they are.

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Very good point.[QUOTE="NicktehImperial"]Well you don't see male lions trying to mate with eachother do you?racer8dan

Actually...it's an incorrect point.

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#34 Alpha-909
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Well you don't see male lions trying to mate with eachother do you?NicktehImperial
Um... sometimes, in the discovery.
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Well you don't see male lions trying to mate with eachother do you?NicktehImperial
Yes; and there are even more on the nose examples. Besides, humans present a number of innate traits that other animals don't, such as a proppensity for structured language, so that seems kind of irrelevant.
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Well you don't see male lions trying to mate with eachother do you?NicktehImperial
Yes, in fact there are records of that when the female wasn't in heat for a long time. I read it honestly 3 years ago so you can assum I'm wrong if you can't find it, that would be the most logical thing at least.
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="cornlockes"]

no. no they are not

cornlockes

Cool; when will you be presenting your research and evidence, and at what conference?

when you show me the evidencethat they are.

I'm not saying they are; not being driven by an agenda, I have no problem acknowledging that there is no definitive evidence either way.
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Well you don't see male lions trying to mate with eachother do you?NicktehImperial

I am surprised no one has made a stupidqueen of the jungle joke.

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[QUOTE="cornlockes"][QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="cornlockes"]

I don't think so

xaos

Cool; when will you be presenting your research and evidence, and at what conference?

when you show me the evidencethat they are.

I'm not saying they are; not being driven by an agenda, I have no problem acknowledging that there is no definitive evidence either way.

Okay. I assumed this thread was purely opinion but I guess I still need to say that it's an opinion.

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"Lions are also homosexual. Male lions often band together with

their brothers to lead the pride. To ensure loyalty, they strengthen the bonds by

often having sex with each other"

http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/biowissenschaften_chemie/bericht-72574.html

Not the article i was talking about but was one of the first things in a quick google search.

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Evidence suggests that there are certain genes that causes one to be homosexual (as in, there is not one gay gene). I think it's possible that some people are born that way whereas with others it is hormonal, though either way it isn't a choice.

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If guys were born gay then they wouldn't be a guy. Gay is a life decision, or well, from what i seen.
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Very good point.[QUOTE="NicktehImperial"]Well you don't see male lions trying to mate with eachother do you?racer8dan

Actually not at all. Male lions havehad sex with each other.
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If guys were born gay then they wouldn't be a guy. Gay is a life decision, or well, from what i seen.GIJesse77
I can tell you definitely that I never made a decision to be attracted to men.
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If guys were born gay then they wouldn't be a guy. Gay is a life decision, or well, from what i seen.GIJesse77
What have you seen?
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Sexualitiy isn't a choice so yeah, i think you are born that way.
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It doesn't really matter. Either way, I don't agree with it.

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It doesn't really matter. Either way, I don't agree with it.

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I will respect that by not trying to make you be gay
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[QUOTE="1ND1FF3R3NT"]

It doesn't really matter. Either way, I don't agree with it.

xaos

I will respect that by not trying to make you be gay

Thanks. I guess that wouldbe warranted, since I'm not trying to make anybody straight.

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Well you don't see male lions trying to mate with eachother do you?NicktehImperial
Actually...

"Both male and female lions have been seen to interact homosexually. Male lions pair-bond for a number of days and initiate homosexual activity with affectionate nuzzling and caressing, leading to mounting and thrusting. About 8% of mountings have been observed to occur with other males, while female pairings are held to be fairly common in captivity but have not been observed in the wild."

Bruce Bagemihl, Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity

Srivastav, Suvira (15 December-31 December 2001). "Lion, Without Lioness"

So the answer is yes, they are born like that?