Are Stock/Indie Car Drivers Athletes?

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#1 musicalmac  Moderator
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What do you think? I know they get coverage like other sports, and are typically lumped in with other sports. But I'm not convinced I would look at any of them and say, "Yep. That there is an athlete."

Though to be honest, I'm not sure how I'd classify them in their profession...
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#2 666BumbleBee666
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Nope, it is a sport though like chess.
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#3 megagene
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No, they're good drivers.
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#4 ZumaJones07
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No, they're good drivers. megagene
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I'm not sure I'd classify them as athletes in the traditional sense - but there is a large amount of training/preparation that goes into it I'm sure. Not sure what it's like in others, but F1 drivers are dealing with strong G-Forces for an hour or so, so it's not fair to call it a sunday drive.
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#6 Pirate700
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It's physically demanding but I have a hard time considering them athletes since they aren't doing anything athletic.

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#7 Ravensmash
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From Dictionary.com "noun a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill." With that definition, I'd guess that a driver enduring high speeds/forces for extended periods could be considered.
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#8 Chris_Williams
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me personally i say no, i mean, i'm sure its physically demaning but honestly all your doing is sitting on your butt and driving in circles, i'm sure their is more to that but thats all i see, granted i'm not into the sport but meh, they do their thing and can drive better then me

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#9 SteverXIII
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As a whole with all things considered, I would say yes.
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me personally i say no, i mean, i'm sure its physically demaning but honestly all your doing is sitting on your butt and driving in circles, i'm sure their is more to that but thats all i see, granted i'm not into the sport but meh, they do their thing and can drive better then me

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well that's like saying that jockeys aren't athletes, because all they do is sit on a horse.
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#11 SteverXIII
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but honestly all your doing is sitting on your butt and driving in circles. i'm sure their is more to that but thats all i seeChris_Williams
Then you need to open your eyes. Being a driver in a high stakes, professional race requires a lot of training, determination, physical strength etc. Its not as simple as "sitting on your butt and driving in circles". Not even close.
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#12 BossPerson
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They wish they were

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#13 Gar529
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Yes! Professional racing drivers are some of the fittest athletes on the planet. Here is a little insight into the physical demands of driving a Formula 1 car http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmy0zALh_1g. NASCAR and Indy Car drivers face similar physical demands (although at a slightly lesser scale). If this doesn't convince you that drivers are athletes, imagine in every turn your whole body weighs 3 or more times what it normally does; your head weighing 40lbs trying to rip itself from your neck; the steering wheel essentially becoming a 50lbs weight that you are turning out in front of you; a brake pedal that can require 200lbs of force from your leg just to make the car stop. You may think that the belts keep a driver from moving around, but strong back, neck, and leg muscles are essential in keeping a driver upright in corners and under braking. All of this physical work is done in an cockpit that can reach temperatures of 140 Fahrenheit, while the driver is covered from head to toe in thick, fire resistant clothing. Without being physically fit, a racing driver's muscles wouldn't be able to take the physical stresses for the 2+ hours he's in the car, and without a strong cardio vascular system, he would be exhausted by the end of the race; not to mention that once his body gets tired, he will no longer be able to make the precise inputs that allow his car to compete at a high level. I recommended anyone that thinks race car drivers aren't athletes to go to their local kart rental track (I'm not talking about carnival go-karts) and give them a try. Most people will find them physically demanding. Then realize a Formula 1 driver receives 5 times the cornering and braking force of those karts. Indy and NASCAR drivers receive 3-4 times the forces of the kart.

So yes, racing drivers are athletes;)

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Mathemagicians.
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#16 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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No.

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I'm sure some of them are.

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#18 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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Yes, Formula 1 especially.
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#19 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]but honestly all your doing is sitting on your butt and driving in circles. i'm sure their is more to that but thats all i seeSteverXIII
Then you need to open your eyes. Being a driver in a high stakes, professional race requires a lot of training, determination, physical strength etc. Its not as simple as "sitting on your butt and driving in circles". Not even close.

please read what i wrote, i said there probably is more to it, i know nothing about the sport, i don't claim too, and my point still stands all they are doing is sitting on their butts in a hot ass car
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#20 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

me personally i say no, i mean, i'm sure its physically demaning but honestly all your doing is sitting on your butt and driving in circles, i'm sure their is more to that but thats all i see, granted i'm not into the sport but meh, they do their thing and can drive better then me

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well that's like saying that jockeys aren't athletes, because all they do is sit on a horse.

i don't consider that being athletic either, just be small and light and bam you can be a jockey, as i said before IF YOU GUYS WILL READ and not see what you wanna see in order to start a debate with me, i know nothing about the sport i'm just stating what i know about it, theres probably more to it but i don't care about the sport to spend time researching what it takes to drive around in a circle
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They are not as fit as a basketball player but then you can say the same for most other sports as far as athletics are concerned. To be a good basketball player you usually just need to be tall and mostly major defect free. To be a great lineman you usually dont have to run very fast as long as you are strong and heavy. Pitchers can get away with being heavier as long as they have a strong arm. Professional driving is much harder than it looks. It takes a great deal of knowledge at the pro levels and it really is a huge team sport. Without the pit crew, mechanics, engineers, and even spotters, the driver alone would never have a chance. Even the surface of the track is different from each other and along with the temperature can make the tires stick or make it nearly like ice. Plus there is the fact that it is probably the most dangerous pro sport in the world. Not many footballers, basemen, or basketball players die while playing versus many great drivers that have died in races.
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#22 musicalmac  Moderator
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Forgot I made this. Interesting responses. Have yet to come to a consensus. :P
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#23 -Sun_Tzu-
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I would consider them athletes. But I'd still rather rather watch paint dry.
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#24 Jackc8
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I suppose they are, for the simple reason that if you came up with a definition of the word "athlete" that excluded race car drivers, you'd quickly find that it excludes a hell of a lot of other people who are traditionally thought of as athletes.

I mean, is a football player an athlete? How about a second-stringer who never played a game all year? Are they athletes because they work out a lot? But a lot of people who don't even play sports work out and stay in shape. So do you have to be a member of a team? But then you've got the problem of a world-class "athlete" ceasing to be one if he's between teams for a few weeks.

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#25 comp_atkins
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yes.
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#26 worlock77
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Of course they are (especially when you get up to Nascar/Formula 1 level). Anyone who says otherwise simple doesn't know what they're talking about.

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#27 rawsavon
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It is a skill (like bowling or golf) IMO. ...that makes them highly skilled, but not 'athletes'
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#28 LJS9502_basic
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I would say no. I suppose one could say they have a specific skill...but athlete? No.
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#29 wii60_3
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they are not athletes, because racing does not require athleticism.
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#30 worlock77
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Ok question: what makes someone an athlete?

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#31 Chris_Williams
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Ok question: what makes someone an athlete?

worlock77

besides driving in a hot car what else are they doing?I know nothing of the sport, enlighten me

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#32 wii60_3
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Ok question: what makes someone an athlete?

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someone who displays athleticism ex agility , balance, endurance
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#33 rawsavon
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Ok question: what makes someone an athlete?

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It is often easier to define what it is not Golf is a skill that one can acquire over time -if i practiced every day from the time I was 12, I could at least make the Nike tour -you have 60 year old men getting second in majors (Tom Watson) -will athletic ability help in golf? yes...of course. But it is not required Football takes athletic ability. It is more than just an acquired skill. -that is not to say practice is not required -but no matter how hard I tried, I would never be good enough to play in the NFL or NBA
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Are race car drivers athletes? Yes. Sure, they sit on their butts for the entire race, but they are physically exerting themselves, especially if they are at a high banked race track where they end up with 4Gs acting on them for 4 hours. Heat is just one of the deals that they have to contend with. If something breaks, they may suffer from carbon monoxide poisioning as well.

If you look at football, basketball and hockey, games are only 1 hour in length. In football and baseball, most of the team sits on the bench while only a small portion of the team is actually involved in either offense or defense. They get breaks and if need be, can walk down the hallway to use the toilet, racers on the other hand stay in their car until the checkered flag falls (unless the race is stopped for some reason). There are no TV time outs in racing unlike every other televised sport.

Many times, so called athletes from stick and ball sports go for a ride in a Sprint Cup Car with a driver like Carl Edwards and when they get out of the car, after traveling at near 200MPH, all state that drivers are athletes and those who think otherwise are full of themselves.

I hear it all the time, many people say that racing is easy, if that is the case, why are they not racers and driving at 200MPH+ mere inches from other drivers or walls for hours on end? IF they are not athletes, anyone can do it right? Then why are there not more racers? Racers have to be able to think way ahead of where they are at, especially when they are traveling the length of a football field in a second or two. That football player that runs the 100 yard dash in 10 seconds doesn't have to think beyond where his feet are being planted.

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#35 senses_fail_06
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No, it is just a test of endurance. Is my reading a book for a class a sport? Nope, just a test of how much of the book I can endure. I don't know where the line is between sport and non sport, but racing certainly falls in the 'not a sport' category.
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#36 nintendofreak_2
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Not in the slightest.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Ok question: what makes someone an athlete?

rawsavon

It is often easier to define what it is not Golf is a skill that one can acquire over time -if i practiced every day from the time I was 12, I could at least make the Nike tour -you have 60 year old men getting second in majors (Tom Watson) -will athletic ability help in golf? yes...of course. But it is not required Football takes athletic ability. It is more than just an acquired skill. -that is not to say practice is not required -but no matter how hard I tried, I would never be good enough to play in the NFL or NBA

So, what makes someone an athlete?

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Definte athlete. If you consider those fat golfers or baseball players "Athletes" than I guess you would have to consider race car drivers athletes.

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No, it is just a test of endurance. Is my reading a book for a class a sport? Nope, just a test of how much of the book I can endure. I don't know where the line is between sport and non sport, but racing certainly falls in the 'not a sport' category. senses_fail_06

How is it not a sport?

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[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]No, it is just a test of endurance. Is my reading a book for a class a sport? Nope, just a test of how much of the book I can endure. I don't know where the line is between sport and non sport, but racing certainly falls in the 'not a sport' category. worlock77

How is it not a sport?

You can classify anything as a sport then. What isn't a sport? You could make a case that going to an opera is a sport.
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]No, it is just a test of endurance. Is my reading a book for a class a sport? Nope, just a test of how much of the book I can endure. I don't know where the line is between sport and non sport, but racing certainly falls in the 'not a sport' category. senses_fail_06

How is it not a sport?

You can classify anything as a sport then. What isn't a sport? You could make a case that going to an opera is a sport.

You didn't answer the question.

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#42 senses_fail_06
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[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

How is it not a sport?

worlock77

You can classify anything as a sport then. What isn't a sport? You could make a case that going to an opera is a sport.

You didn't answer the question.

I told you why I don't think it is a sport in my OP. You can have dictionary.com be the reference point of your life if you like. It isn't the sport in the practical sense, if it was, then what isn't a sport?
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"] You can classify anything as a sport then. What isn't a sport? You could make a case that going to an opera is a sport. senses_fail_06

You didn't answer the question.

I told you why I don't think it is a sport in my OP. You can have dictionary.com be the reference point of your life if you like. It isn't the sport in the practical sense, if it was, then what isn't a sport?

No, you only stated that you didn't think it was a sport. You never stated why you think that it isn't.

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[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

You didn't answer the question.

worlock77

I told you why I don't think it is a sport in my OP. You can have dictionary.com be the reference point of your life if you like. It isn't the sport in the practical sense, if it was, then what isn't a sport?

No, you only stated that you didn't think it was a sport. You never stated why you think that it isn't.

...because it is only a test of endurance, like I said in my original post.
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"] I told you why I don't think it is a sport in my OP. You can have dictionary.com be the reference point of your life if you like. It isn't the sport in the practical sense, if it was, then what isn't a sport? senses_fail_06

No, you only stated that you didn't think it was a sport. You never stated why you think that it isn't.

...because it is only a test of endurance, like I said in my original post.

It's a bit more than simply a test of endurance. If that's your only metric then that's all any sport is.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

No, you only stated that you didn't think it was a sport. You never stated why you think that it isn't.

senses_fail_06

...because it is only a test of endurance, like I said in my original post.

How is 7 men who are refueling a car, changing it's tires or jacking up the car so tires can be changed not a physical exertion and just an endurance test? The same could be said of football. In baseball, more players are sitting or standing around verses actually doing anything. Anyone can swing a bat or throw a ball after all. How are baseball players athletes? Baseball, with no set time period could be said to be a test of endurance also, yet no one claims that baseball players are not athletes. If race car drivers or the pit crews are not athletes, then no one else could be considered an athlete that plays an orginized sport like football or baseball. That would even exclude those who participate in the Olympics. blinking smiley

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[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

No, you only stated that you didn't think it was a sport. You never stated why you think that it isn't.

worlock77

...because it is only a test of endurance, like I said in my original post.

It's a bit more than simply a test of endurance. If that's your only metric then that's all any sport is.

Hardly, there isn't enough 'physical prowess' (as your dictionary.com definition likes to state) for me to warrant it a sport. Really, you can label anything a sport then.
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Ok question: what makes someone an athlete?

worlock77

It is often easier to define what it is not Golf is a skill that one can acquire over time -if i practiced every day from the time I was 12, I could at least make the Nike tour -you have 60 year old men getting second in majors (Tom Watson) -will athletic ability help in golf? yes...of course. But it is not required Football takes athletic ability. It is more than just an acquired skill. -that is not to say practice is not required -but no matter how hard I tried, I would never be good enough to play in the NFL or NBA

So, what makes someone an athlete?

...I don't understand what you don't understand
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Are fighter pilots athletes? They have to take G's up to 9 but for the most part they just sit in one spot for a few hours. B2 bomber pilots are trained to do a 24hr mission (but technically even they can take a nap and even a bathroom break during mission). I guess really not every single person that is in any sport is technically an athlete. Even in baseball, football, and basketball there are people that are not really that "athletic". Even still in NASCAR and other pro racing there are people that get by without be fit but most of the drivers are usually in pretty good shape. Tony Stewart is one of the few that i can think of that looks a bit fat in his car.
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How is 7 men who are refueling a car, changing it's tires or jacking up the car so tires can be changed not a physical exertion and just an endurance test? The same could be said of football. In baseball, more players are sitting or standing around verses actually doing anything. Anyone can swing a bat or throw a ball after all. How are baseball players athletes? Baseball, with no set time period could be said to be a test of endurance also, yet no one claims that baseball players are not athletes. If race car drivers or the pit crews are not athletes, then no one else could be considered an athlete that plays an orginized sport like football or baseball. That would even exclude those who participate in the Olympics. blinking smiley

WhiteKnight77

Where to start, let us see.

The only mention of physical exertion is from the pit crew. I guess if you want to consider them athletes you can, I mean I think you would be wrong, but feel free to. I had to lift up the front end of my car the other day so someone could get a jack under it...I wasn't competing in a sport.

Baseball requires extreme physicality to play. Running the bases, shagging balls, mechanics of a pitcher, etc. It isn't just throwing and catching.

I would consider racing a sport, under the circumstances that the physical cars are the athletes and not the people running them.