Are you a creationist or and evolutionist

then again, the dichotomy between "natural" and "supernatural" really is just a modern invention.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="NTWrightfan"]Nature is that which exists materially and temporally. a natural cause cannot be temporal and immaterial, but if we seriously want to posit the contention that natural can encompass that which is immaterial and atemporal, then we have to include "God" as being part of nature

then again, the dichotomy between "natural" and "supernatural" really is just a modern invention.

NTWrightfan

*is reminded of the time before science when "God did it!" was the explination for everything*

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"][QUOTE="NTWrightfan"]only if you assume that the person started, which is not what I said. but saying that infinite isn't a real number gives warrant for the impossibility of an infinite past. NTWrightfan

If you assume that a person never started that means that said person have been doing it for an infinity long time, proving that something can be infinite. Why does it give warrent to the impossibility of an infinite past?

we dont traverse it we exist on specific points of it. That is like saying the number 2 doesnt exist because it is one of an inifite number of numbers and you cannot count to it from the begining.

If you assume that a person never started that means that said person have been doing it for an infinity long time, proving that something can be infinite. Why does it give warrent to the impossibility of an infinite past?

we dont traverse it we exist on specific points of it. That is like saying the number 2 doesnt exist because it is one of an inifite number of numbers and you cannot count to it from the begining.