oh really, then why am i getting a bachelor mate? How do you explain these?
Education doesn't matter. He is trying to discredit our arguments based on a fallacious method of calling our educational credentials into question rather than addressing the argument itself. I have a BA as well, and I don't see how it contributes to this discussion. We can have our opinions on the situation regardless of our educational background.
oh really, then why am i getting a bachelor mate? How do you explain these?
Education doesn't matter. He is trying to discredit our arguments based on a fallacious method of calling our educational credentials into question rather than addressing the argument itself. I have a BA as well, and I don't see how it contributes to this discussion. We can have our opinions on the situation regardless of our educational background.
yeah, but i am discrediting his whole argument. If no one is educated, then why are we two? He has not argument at all
@toast_burner: These are not selective, i have loads more mate
How many you have is irrelevant. Quoting random people on twitter saying stupid stuff is not an argument. Like I said you can find people on any side of any debate ever saying stupid stuff.
@toast_burner: These are not selective, i have loads more mate
How many you have is irrelevant. Quoting random people on twitter saying stupid stuff is not an argument. Like I said you can find people on any side of any debate ever saying stupid stuff.
GamerGate has been attacked by these entitled dbags, so i won't support someone who is pro-corruption
Actually, the Gamergate/anti-SWJ folks (including yourself) are the ones who act like they clearly don't have college educations. You guys are shockingly anti-intellectual and don't seem to have enough education to properly comprehend feminist arguments.
@toast_burner: These are not selective, i have loads more mate
How many you have is irrelevant. Quoting random people on twitter saying stupid stuff is not an argument. Like I said you can find people on any side of any debate ever saying stupid stuff.
GamerGate has been attacked by these entitled dbags, so i won't support someone who is pro-corruption
That has absolutely no connection to anything I said. If Gamergate is about ethics and corruption why do they constantly go on about feminism? Shouldn't you be talking about corruption?
@toast_burner: These are not selective, i have loads more mate
How many you have is irrelevant. Quoting random people on twitter saying stupid stuff is not an argument. Like I said you can find people on any side of any debate ever saying stupid stuff.
GamerGate has been attacked by these entitled dbags, so i won't support someone who is pro-corruption
That has absolutely no connection to anything I said. If Gamergate is about ethics and corruption why do they constantly go on about feminism? Shouldn't you be talking about corruption?
oh really, then why am i getting a bachelor mate? How do you explain these?
Education doesn't matter. He is trying to discredit our arguments based on a fallacious method of calling our educational credentials into question rather than addressing the argument itself. I have a BA as well, and I don't see how it contributes to this discussion. We can have our opinions on the situation regardless of our educational background.
yeah, but i am discrediting his whole argument. If no one is educated, then why are we two? He has not argument at all
oh really, then why am i getting a bachelor mate? How do you explain these?
Education doesn't matter. He is trying to discredit our arguments based on a fallacious method of calling our educational credentials into question rather than addressing the argument itself. I have a BA as well, and I don't see how it contributes to this discussion. We can have our opinions on the situation regardless of our educational background.
Education most certainly matters.
A person without an education is likely to look at a feminist argument and say "herp derp! They're saying that men are all pigs!" without comprehending the nuances and cultural/historical context of the argument. Which is exactly what you Gamergate folks do.
@toast_burner: These are not selective, i have loads more mate
How many you have is irrelevant. Quoting random people on twitter saying stupid stuff is not an argument. Like I said you can find people on any side of any debate ever saying stupid stuff.
GamerGate has been attacked by these entitled dbags, so i won't support someone who is pro-corruption
That has absolutely no connection to anything I said. If Gamergate is about ethics and corruption why do they constantly go on about feminism? Shouldn't you be talking about corruption?
How is this acceptable then?
And what does that have to do with gamergate? And if you can use the crazy minority of feminists to represent them all why is it not ok to use the crazy people of gamergate to represent that?
Face it, gamergate is a movement born out of sexism that then moved on to do nothing. It doesn't stand for anything apart from a few vague ideas of ethics that none of it's members understand. Like I said if you care about corruption why do you not do anything about it? Instead you go on and on about feminism when feminism has absolutely nothing to do with ethics in game journalism.
@toast_burner: These are not selective, i have loads more mate
How many you have is irrelevant. Quoting random people on twitter saying stupid stuff is not an argument. Like I said you can find people on any side of any debate ever saying stupid stuff.
GamerGate has been attacked by these entitled dbags, so i won't support someone who is pro-corruption
That has absolutely no connection to anything I said. If Gamergate is about ethics and corruption why do they constantly go on about feminism? Shouldn't you be talking about corruption?
Exactly.
It's very telling that these people claim that their movement is about ethics in journalism, but instead of going after journalists, they focus all their ire at women like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. Funnily enough, the so-called good reviews that Zoe got by sleeping with journalist could never be produced.
GamerGate is as fraudulent a movement as they come.
oh really, then why am i getting a bachelor mate? How do you explain these?
Education doesn't matter. He is trying to discredit our arguments based on a fallacious method of calling our educational credentials into question rather than addressing the argument itself. I have a BA as well, and I don't see how it contributes to this discussion. We can have our opinions on the situation regardless of our educational background.
yeah, but i am discrediting his whole argument. If no one is educated, then why are we two? He has not argument at all
>Says he's educated
>Can't spell or write a grammatical sentence
lol
**** you... I would like to see you write as well as i do, as this is not my native language you imbecile. If that's the only argument you can conjure up, then you're the stupid uneducated one...
The perceived negative portrayal of women in video games is one hell of a first world problem. Feminism needs to go to impoverished countries where women are usually second class citizens. Empowering women in third world countries is essential to reducing the poverty that plagues said countries. Keeping half your country's population in the dark doesn't do much good.
Feminism, in my opinion, is pretty obsolete in the Western world. Women here in the West can get an education and a career. They can vote. They can choose whether or not to marry. They can initiate divorces. They aren't restricted with a public dress code. These radical feminist types don't know how good they have it here. They're among the most privileged people on Earth. The average Westerner has a roof over their head, adequate food, adequate water and sanitation, and lots of disposable income. Women here aren't oppressed. If radical feminists like Anita Sarkeesian think they're oppressed by a "patriarchy" in America, they'd be in for a rude awakening if they visited a country like Saudi Arabia or India or Pakistan. They need to get over themselves. People don't take their bullshit seriously because it's just that: bullshit. I'm not apologizing for being born male, which was something out of my control. Ditto for being born white.
oh really, then why am i getting a bachelor mate? How do you explain these?
Education doesn't matter. He is trying to discredit our arguments based on a fallacious method of calling our educational credentials into question rather than addressing the argument itself. I have a BA as well, and I don't see how it contributes to this discussion. We can have our opinions on the situation regardless of our educational background.
yeah, but i am discrediting his whole argument. If no one is educated, then why are we two? He has not argument at all
>Says he's educated
>Can't spell or write a grammatical sentence
lol
At least he didn't confuse intelligence with education and assume that education means that you are intelligent.
Also Ride as most scandinavians are bi-lingual, how many languages do you speak?
@toast_burner: These are not selective, i have loads more mate
How many you have is irrelevant. Quoting random people on twitter saying stupid stuff is not an argument. Like I said you can find people on any side of any debate ever saying stupid stuff.
GamerGate has been attacked by these entitled dbags, so i won't support someone who is pro-corruption
That has absolutely no connection to anything I said. If Gamergate is about ethics and corruption why do they constantly go on about feminism? Shouldn't you be talking about corruption?
Exactly.
It's very telling that these people claim that their movement is about ethics in journalism, but instead of going after journalists, they focus all their ire at women like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. Funnily enough, the so-called good reviews that Zoe got by sleeping with journalist could never be produced.
GamerGate is as fraudulent a movement as they come.
LOL! Because it is? Everytime someone like Anita, Brianna or Zoe have done any accusations it's without proof. They are basicly blaming GG for everything they've recived without actually proving GG is behind it. GG has an harassment patrol and the hashtag can be used by trolls. Yet Milo, Mike, Boogie ,etc have been sent death threats and doxxed. I wonder if that's alright with you seing how you are such dignified person. We're not actually going after those guys... Please prove it. We're going after Polygon, Gamasutra and Kotaku/Gawker. Want proof? Check out all the advertisers they've lost on Kotaku and Gawker. Look at the ethics policies ign, escapist, etc have changed. They're not part of the conversation, yet have no problem blaming someone without any proof or thought.
I guess you were wrong, you're the uneducated on the matter
oh really, then why am i getting a bachelor mate? How do you explain these?
Education doesn't matter. He is trying to discredit our arguments based on a fallacious method of calling our educational credentials into question rather than addressing the argument itself. I have a BA as well, and I don't see how it contributes to this discussion. We can have our opinions on the situation regardless of our educational background.
yeah, but i am discrediting his whole argument. If no one is educated, then why are we two? He has not argument at all
>Says he's educated
>Can't spell or write a grammatical sentence
lol
At least he didn't confuse intelligence with education and assume that education means that you are intelligent.
Also Ride as most scandinavians are bi-lingual, how many languages do you speak?
Wait a minute. When did I say anything about intelligence?
The perceived negative portrayal of women in video games is one hell of a first world problem. Feminism needs to go to impoverished countries where women are usually second class citizens. Empowering women in third world countries is essential to reducing the poverty that plagues said countries. Keeping half your country's population in the dark doesn't do much good.
Feminism, in my opinion, is pretty obsolete in the Western world. Women here in the West can get an education and a career. They can vote. They can choose whether or not to marry. They can initiate divorces. They aren't restricted with a public dress code. These radical feminist types don't know how good they have it here. They're among the most privileged people on Earth. The average Westerner has a roof over their head, adequate food, adequate water and sanitation, and lots of disposable income. Women here aren't oppressed. If radical feminists like Anita Sarkeesian think they're oppressed by a "patriarchy" in America, they'd be in for a rude awakening if they visited a country like Saudi Arabia or India or Pakistan. They need to get over themselves. People don't take their bullshit seriously because it's just that: bullshit. I'm not apologizing for being born male, which was something out of my control. Ditto for being born white.
Exactly, hell look at the two people who got the Nobel peace prize. They got it for making it easier just to get education in a country where women get killed just for going to school.
Christian Sommers, an academic btw, eve said that western women have had the most rights they've ever had. Women almost always get the child in custody battles and they get 50% in divorces. Just some of the perks of being a woman
The portrayal of women in video games is one hell of a first world problem. Feminism needs to go to impoverished countries where women are usually second class citizens. Empowering women in third world countries is essential to reducing the poverty that plagues said countries. Keeping half your country's population in the dark doesn't do much good.
Feminism, in my opinion, is pretty obsolete in the Western world. Women here in the West can get an education and a career. They can vote. They can choose whether or not to marry. They can initiate divorces. They aren't restricted with a public dress code. These radical feminist types don't know how good they have it here. They're among the most privileged people on Earth. The average Westerner has a roof over their head, adequate food, adequate water and sanitation, and lots of disposable income. Women here aren't oppressed. If radical feminists like Anita Sarkeesian think they're oppressed by a "patriarchy" in America, they'd be in for a rude awakening if they visited a country like Saudi Arabia or India or Pakistan. They need to get over themselves. People don't take their bullshit seriously because it's just that: bullshit. I'm not apologizing for being born male, which was something out of my control. Ditto for being born white.
Complaining about anything video game related is a first world problem. Just because other people have it worse that doesn't mean you have no right to complain. If you go to a restaurant an they get your order wrong you shouldn't be told "at least you got something to eat, kids elsewhere are starving to death".
Do you make this much of a fuss when people complain about a game being glitchy or online servers being down, or is it only when they complain about something you don't care about that it's an issue?
@toast_burner: These are not selective, i have loads more mate
How many you have is irrelevant. Quoting random people on twitter saying stupid stuff is not an argument. Like I said you can find people on any side of any debate ever saying stupid stuff.
GamerGate has been attacked by these entitled dbags, so i won't support someone who is pro-corruption
That has absolutely no connection to anything I said. If Gamergate is about ethics and corruption why do they constantly go on about feminism? Shouldn't you be talking about corruption?
Exactly.
It's very telling that these people claim that their movement is about ethics in journalism, but instead of going after journalists, they focus all their ire at women like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. Funnily enough, the so-called good reviews that Zoe got by sleeping with journalist could never be produced.
GamerGate is as fraudulent a movement as they come.
LOL! Because it is? Everytime someone like Anita, Brianna or Zoe have done any accusations it's without proof. They are basicly blaming GG for everything they've recived without actually proving GG is behind it. GG has an harassment patrol and the hashtag can be used by trolls. Yet Milo, Mike, Boogie ,etc have been sent death threats and doxxed. I wonder if that's alright with you seing how you are such dignified person. We're not actually going after those guys... Please prove it. We're going after Polygon, Gamasutra and Kotaku/Gawker. Want proof? Check out all the advertisers they've lost on Kotaku and Gawker. Look at the ethics policies ign, escapist, etc have changed. They're not part of the conversation, yet have no problem blaming someone without any proof or thought.
I guess you were wrong, you're the uneducated on the matter
Just because you can't be honest about your movement doesn't mean that I am wrong or uneducated. Gamergate would not be a thing if not for that whole Zoe Quinn mess. You guys claimed that she was sleeping with journalists for good reviews, but we're never able to produce that favorable coverage. The journalist didn't get nearly as much heat because Gamergate wanted a female punching bag.
oh really, then why am i getting a bachelor mate? How do you explain these?
Education doesn't matter. He is trying to discredit our arguments based on a fallacious method of calling our educational credentials into question rather than addressing the argument itself. I have a BA as well, and I don't see how it contributes to this discussion. We can have our opinions on the situation regardless of our educational background.
Education most certainly matters.
A person without an education is likely to look at a feminist argument and say "herp derp! They're saying that men are all pigs!" without comprehending the nuances and cultural/historical context of the argument. Which is exactly what you Gamergate folks do.
Education doesn't matter. Someone's ability to evaluate and criticize an argument isn't defined by the educational background. You don't discredit someone because they haven't gone to college, you discredit someone by refuting their argument.
@toast_burner: These are not selective, i have loads more mate
How many you have is irrelevant. Quoting random people on twitter saying stupid stuff is not an argument. Like I said you can find people on any side of any debate ever saying stupid stuff.
GamerGate has been attacked by these entitled dbags, so i won't support someone who is pro-corruption
That has absolutely no connection to anything I said. If Gamergate is about ethics and corruption why do they constantly go on about feminism? Shouldn't you be talking about corruption?
Exactly.
It's very telling that these people claim that their movement is about ethics in journalism, but instead of going after journalists, they focus all their ire at women like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. Funnily enough, the so-called good reviews that Zoe got by sleeping with journalist could never be produced.
GamerGate is as fraudulent a movement as they come.
LOL! Because it is? Everytime someone like Anita, Brianna or Zoe have done any accusations it's without proof. They are basicly blaming GG for everything they've recived without actually proving GG is behind it. GG has an harassment patrol and the hashtag can be used by trolls. Yet Milo, Mike, Boogie ,etc have been sent death threats and doxxed. I wonder if that's alright with you seing how you are such dignified person. We're not actually going after those guys... Please prove it. We're going after Polygon, Gamasutra and Kotaku/Gawker. Want proof? Check out all the advertisers they've lost on Kotaku and Gawker. Look at the ethics policies ign, escapist, etc have changed. They're not part of the conversation, yet have no problem blaming someone without any proof or thought.
I guess you were wrong, you're the uneducated on the matter
Just because you can't be honest about your movement doesn't mean that I am wrong or uneducated. Gamergate would not be a thing if not for that whole Zoe Quinn mess. You guys claimed that she was sleeping with journalists for good reviews, but we're never able to produce that favorable coverage. The journalist didn't get nearly as much heat because Gamergate wanted a female punching bag.
You are moving the goalpost. You claimed it wasn't about journalism and ethics yet i give you proof of this. I give you actual argument that these women can not tie GG to their threats.
Whoever claimed she slept to get good reviews was wrong. She did get previews from Nathan Grayson who wrote about her game. She also recieved an award where she slept with one of the judges. Need more proof? This is not about any of them. It's about GameJournosPros, Gamespot firing Jeff Gerstmann, Eurogamer firing Robert Florence, Doritogate with Geoff Keighley, Gamers are dead, Shadow of Mordor paid reviews, i can go on mate
SJW's have gone after atheists for the longest time, now they're going after gamers when we have notyourshield and females going out and speak for themselves and they get called sockpuppets....
oh really, then why am i getting a bachelor mate? How do you explain these?
Education doesn't matter. He is trying to discredit our arguments based on a fallacious method of calling our educational credentials into question rather than addressing the argument itself. I have a BA as well, and I don't see how it contributes to this discussion. We can have our opinions on the situation regardless of our educational background.
Education most certainly matters.
A person without an education is likely to look at a feminist argument and say "herp derp! They're saying that men are all pigs!" without comprehending the nuances and cultural/historical context of the argument. Which is exactly what you Gamergate folks do.
Education doesn't matter. Someone's ability to evaluate and criticize an argument isn't defined by the educational background. You don't discredit someone because they haven't gone to college, you discredit someone by refuting their argument.
A few more steps and you could go full gerg.
lol. Keep telling yourself that. If you think that being educated doesn't generally help someone think more critically and give one more background knowledge to properly contextualize issues, I don't know what to tell you.
Also, I wasn't engaging any specific argument. I was responding to The_Last_Ride's claim that SWJs are ignorant.
@GreySeal9: you're trying to discredit me first because of my eductation then you move the goalpost and say i have bad grammar so my argument is invalid and then i actually show you proof and you move it again mate
The portrayal of women in video games is one hell of a first world problem. Feminism needs to go to impoverished countries where women are usually second class citizens. Empowering women in third world countries is essential to reducing the poverty that plagues said countries. Keeping half your country's population in the dark doesn't do much good.
Feminism, in my opinion, is pretty obsolete in the Western world. Women here in the West can get an education and a career. They can vote. They can choose whether or not to marry. They can initiate divorces. They aren't restricted with a public dress code. These radical feminist types don't know how good they have it here. They're among the most privileged people on Earth. The average Westerner has a roof over their head, adequate food, adequate water and sanitation, and lots of disposable income. Women here aren't oppressed. If radical feminists like Anita Sarkeesian think they're oppressed by a "patriarchy" in America, they'd be in for a rude awakening if they visited a country like Saudi Arabia or India or Pakistan. They need to get over themselves. People don't take their bullshit seriously because it's just that: bullshit. I'm not apologizing for being born male, which was something out of my control. Ditto for being born white.
Complaining about anything video game related is a first world problem. Just because other people have it worse that doesn't mean you have no right to complain. If you go to a restaurant an they get your order wrong you shouldn't be told "at least you got something to eat, kids elsewhere are starving to death".
Do you make this much of a fuss when people complain about a game being glitchy or online servers being down, or is it only when they complain about something you don't care about that it's an issue?
I never said they didn't have a right to complain. Since when does stating facts constitute making a fuss? When I think of radical feminists here in America, I think of people who are filled with nothing but hate and time on their hands. Some of them even support violence against men. They need to get over themselves.
@toast_burner: These are not selective, i have loads more mate
How many you have is irrelevant. Quoting random people on twitter saying stupid stuff is not an argument. Like I said you can find people on any side of any debate ever saying stupid stuff.
GamerGate has been attacked by these entitled dbags, so i won't support someone who is pro-corruption
That has absolutely no connection to anything I said. If Gamergate is about ethics and corruption why do they constantly go on about feminism? Shouldn't you be talking about corruption?
Exactly.
It's very telling that these people claim that their movement is about ethics in journalism, but instead of going after journalists, they focus all their ire at women like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. Funnily enough, the so-called good reviews that Zoe got by sleeping with journalist could never be produced.
GamerGate is as fraudulent a movement as they come.
LOL! Because it is? Everytime someone like Anita, Brianna or Zoe have done any accusations it's without proof. They are basicly blaming GG for everything they've recived without actually proving GG is behind it. GG has an harassment patrol and the hashtag can be used by trolls. Yet Milo, Mike, Boogie ,etc have been sent death threats and doxxed. I wonder if that's alright with you seing how you are such dignified person. We're not actually going after those guys... Please prove it. We're going after Polygon, Gamasutra and Kotaku/Gawker. Want proof? Check out all the advertisers they've lost on Kotaku and Gawker. Look at the ethics policies ign, escapist, etc have changed. They're not part of the conversation, yet have no problem blaming someone without any proof or thought.
I guess you were wrong, you're the uneducated on the matter
Just because you can't be honest about your movement doesn't mean that I am wrong or uneducated. Gamergate would not be a thing if not for that whole Zoe Quinn mess. You guys claimed that she was sleeping with journalists for good reviews, but we're never able to produce that favorable coverage. The journalist didn't get nearly as much heat because Gamergate wanted a female punching bag.
You are moving the goalpost. You claimed it wasn't about journalism and ethics yet i give you proof of this. I give you actual argument that these women can not tie GG to their threats.
Whoever claimed she slept to get good reviews was wrong. She did get previews from Nathan Grayson who wrote about her game. She also recieved an award where she slept with one of the judges. Need more proof? This is not about any of them. It's about GameJournosPros, Gamespot firing Jeff Gerstmann, Eurogamer firing Robert Florence, Doritogate with Geoff Keighley, Gamers are dead, Shadow of Mordor paid reviews, i can go on mate
SJW's have gone after atheists for the longest time, now they're going after gamers when we have notyourshield and females going out and speak for themselves and they get called sockpuppets....
You didn't give proof of anything. Proof requires links and sources. Didn't they teach you that in college?
Show me proof, from a credible source, that she received an award by sleeping with one of the judges.
And saying that this is not about Zoe Quinn/Anita/etc. is just plain dishonest. The only reason you guys tried to make it about journalism is to give your witchhunts moral legitimacy.
Also, to try and say this is about Jeff Gerstmann is hilariously dishonest. When he was fired, there was no such thing as Gamergate. The whole thing started because of Zoe Quinn.
It's about GameJournosPros, Gamespot firing Jeff Gerstmann, Eurogamer firing Robert Florence, Doritogate with Geoff Keighley, Gamers are dead, Shadow of Mordor paid reviews, i can go on mate
How is it about any of that? Not once have I seen anyone talk about that stuff, instead they focus on feminists and sometimes throw in that stuff as an after thought(just like what you're doing).
However I have seen quite a few GG'ers actually saying that reviewers should be blacklisted for giving games low scores. Which is the exact opposite of fighting against corruption. Why don't you answer my question, what the hell have SJW's got to do with any of that?
@GreySeal9: you're trying to discredit me first because of my eductation then you move the goalpost and say i have bad grammar so my argument is invalid and then i actually show you proof and you move it again mate
@foxhound_fox: owned him there :P
Proof requires credible sources/links. Where are your sources?
Also, just because you guys like to pat each other on the back doesn't mean I was in any way owned.
oh really, then why am i getting a bachelor mate? How do you explain these?
Education doesn't matter. He is trying to discredit our arguments based on a fallacious method of calling our educational credentials into question rather than addressing the argument itself. I have a BA as well, and I don't see how it contributes to this discussion. We can have our opinions on the situation regardless of our educational background.
yeah, but i am discrediting his whole argument. If no one is educated, then why are we two? He has not argument at all
>Says he's educated
>Can't spell or write a grammatical sentence
lol
At least he didn't confuse intelligence with education and assume that education means that you are intelligent.
Also Ride as most scandinavians are bi-lingual, how many languages do you speak?
Wait a minute. When did I say anything about intelligence?
Exactly you didn´t say anything about intelligence, you claimed reasoning is based on education, which it certainly isn't. reasoning comes from intelligence and the ability to educate yourself.
Funnily enough, @The_Last_Ride, Jeff Gerstmann doesn't want anything to do with you guys.
"Despite my name often being attached to the conspiratorial "gate" suffix, I've never been a big fan of the term. So when "GamerGate" rose up to cover over a campaign of harassment with a veneer of concern for the ethics of games journalism, it more or less set off every single disgust alarm I have. Though I'm sure some good people have been roped into this mess under this guise, the ethical concern portion of all this is largely a farce, a fallacy."
lol. Funny how he's saying EXACTLY the same thing as I am.
oh really, then why am i getting a bachelor mate? How do you explain these?
Education doesn't matter. He is trying to discredit our arguments based on a fallacious method of calling our educational credentials into question rather than addressing the argument itself. I have a BA as well, and I don't see how it contributes to this discussion. We can have our opinions on the situation regardless of our educational background.
yeah, but i am discrediting his whole argument. If no one is educated, then why are we two? He has not argument at all
>Says he's educated
>Can't spell or write a grammatical sentence
lol
At least he didn't confuse intelligence with education and assume that education means that you are intelligent.
Also Ride as most scandinavians are bi-lingual, how many languages do you speak?
Wait a minute. When did I say anything about intelligence?
Exactly you didn´t say anything about intelligence, you claimed reasoning is based on education, which it certainly isn't. reasoning comes from intelligence and the ability to educate yourself.
Those are some impressive mental gymnastics that you just did to make it seem like I said anything about intelligence.
If reasoning had nothing to do with education, they wouldn't teach critical thinking classes in college. You need a certain amount of intelligence to reason well, but education helps develop those skills.
Education doesn't matter. Someone's ability to evaluate and criticize an argument isn't defined by the educational background. You don't discredit someone because they haven't gone to college, you discredit someone by refuting their argument.
A few more steps and you could go full gerg.
lol. Keep telling yourself that. If you think that being educated doesn't generally help someone think more critically and give one more background knowledge to properly contextualize issues, I don't know what to tell you.
Also, I wasn't engaging any specific argument. I was responding to The_Last_Ride's claim that SWJs are ignorant.
A university education isn't mandatory to be a critical thinker.
@GreySeal9: you're trying to discredit me first because of my eductation then you move the goalpost and say i have bad grammar so my argument is invalid and then i actually show you proof and you move it again mate
@foxhound_fox: owned him there :P
Proof requires credible sources/links. Where are your sources?
Also, just because you guys like to pat each other on the back doesn't mean I was in any way owned.
Link
There's Destructoid and Escapist
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This is what GG has done vs SJW's
MundaneMatts video actually got DMCA'd for nothing for exposing this by Zoe herself
Exactly you didn´t say anything about intelligence, you claimed reasoning is based on education, which it certainly isn't. reasoning comes from intelligence and the ability to educate yourself.
Those are some impressive mental gymnastics that you just did to make it seem like I said anything about intelligence.
If reasoning had nothing to do with education, they wouldn't teach critical thinking classes in college. You need a certain amount of intelligence to reason well, but education helps develop those skills.
Didn´t means did not.
And again reasoning have nothing to do with a person's education, like i said you mistake having a piece of paper with intelligence. Which again it does not. Reasoning comes from a person's intellect.
Exactly you didn´t say anything about intelligence, you claimed reasoning is based on education, which it certainly isn't. reasoning comes from intelligence and the ability to educate yourself.
Those are some impressive mental gymnastics that you just did to make it seem like I said anything about intelligence.
If reasoning had nothing to do with education, they wouldn't teach critical thinking classes in college. You need a certain amount of intelligence to reason well, but education helps develop those skills.
Didn´t means did not.
And again reasoning have nothing to do with a person's education, like i said you mistake having a piece of paper with intelligence. Which again it does not. Reasoning comes from a person's intellect.
Only I never said anything about intelligence. I was talking about "education," which absolutely plays its part in reasoning no matter how much you want to deny it. As I said before, there's a reason that critical thinking courses are taught.
@GreySeal9: you're trying to discredit me first because of my eductation then you move the goalpost and say i have bad grammar so my argument is invalid and then i actually show you proof and you move it again mate
@foxhound_fox: owned him there :P
Proof requires credible sources/links. Where are your sources?
Also, just because you guys like to pat each other on the back doesn't mean I was in any way owned.
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There's Destructoid and Escapist
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This is what GG has done vs SJW's
MundaneMatts video actually got DMCA'd for nothing for exposing this by Zoe herself
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GameJournosPros revealed
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Eurogamer firing Robert Florence
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Do you seriously want me to continue?
Haha. These links are ridiculous. What in the world does that "what GG has done versus SWJs" have to do with anything? You're basically just throwing a bunch of shit at me, hoping that something will stick.
Again, where is your proof that Zoe Quinn got an award by sleeping with one of the judges?
Exactly you didn´t say anything about intelligence, you claimed reasoning is based on education, which it certainly isn't. reasoning comes from intelligence and the ability to educate yourself.
Those are some impressive mental gymnastics that you just did to make it seem like I said anything about intelligence.
If reasoning had nothing to do with education, they wouldn't teach critical thinking classes in college. You need a certain amount of intelligence to reason well, but education helps develop those skills.
Didn´t means did not.
And again reasoning have nothing to do with a person's education, like i said you mistake having a piece of paper with intelligence. Which again it does not. Reasoning comes from a person's intellect.
Only I never said anything about intelligence. I was talking about "education," which absolutely plays its part in reasoning no matter how much you want to deny it. As I said before, there's a reason that critical thinking courses are taught.
No education doesnt play a role.
If a person has the intellect they will almost always seek out knowledge and educate themselves and be able to reason. So if you would have sayd Intelligence matter then you would be correct.
After all you think Bush Jr. benefitted any from his education? or most of the american political scene.
Seems like GreySeal can only attack Last_Ride for his grammar (even though English isn't his native language, you must be feeling proud there GreySeal) and Foxhound, constantly moving the goalposts for his arguments. And, GreySeal, you did mention intelligence since you did call them "shockingly anti-intellectual". So it seems that all you can do is attack them of their intelligence and education. Furthermore, comprehending feminist arguments does not require great deals of education or intelligence for that matter. You seem to place feminist arguments on this pedestal, that people dismiss feminist arguments "without comprehending the nuances and cultural/historical context of the argument.". I hate to burst your bubble, but a person can be intelligent and educated and still disagree with the current wave of feminist arguments. Current feminist and SJW arguments have devolved into meaningless states of privilege and patriarchy; those are used to end any discussion against their cause and silences conversation. If you disagree, it's because of your privilege. If you disagree, it's because of the oppression of the patriarchy has brainwashed you into thinking that way. This garbage that is current feminism/SJW has damaged the purpose and intent of the real feminist cause.
Seems like GreySeal can only attack Last_Ride for his grammar (even though English isn't his native language, you must be feeling proud there GreySeal) and Foxhound, constantly moving the goalposts for his arguments. And, GreySeal, you did mention intelligence since you did call them "shockingly anti-intellectual". So it seems that all you can do is attack them of their intelligence and education. Furthermore, comprehending feminist arguments does not require great deals of education or intelligence for that matter. You seem to place feminist arguments on this pedestal, that people dismiss feminist arguments "without comprehending the nuances and cultural/historical context of the argument.". I hate to burst your bubble, but a person can be intelligent and educated and still disagree with the current wave of feminist arguments. Current feminist and SJW arguments have devolved into meaningless states of privilege and patriarchy; those are used to end any discussion against their cause and silences conversation. If you disagree, it's because of your privilege. If you disagree, it's because of the oppression of the patriarchy has brainwashed you into thinking that way. This garbage that is current feminism/SJW has damaged the purpose and intent of the real feminist cause.
"Anti-intellectualism" has nothing to do with innate intelligence. Please educate yourself.
You might also want to improve your reading comprehension because I didn't say that one can't be educated and disagree with feminist arguments. I'm saying that the kind of people who are associated with Gamergate don't properly comprehend feminist arguments because of a lack of education. They think that the argument boils down to "men are pigs," which is not the case. If they had taken some kind of gender studies class somewhere along the line, they might not have such a simplistic view of feminist arguments.
Exactly you didn´t say anything about intelligence, you claimed reasoning is based on education, which it certainly isn't. reasoning comes from intelligence and the ability to educate yourself.
Those are some impressive mental gymnastics that you just did to make it seem like I said anything about intelligence.
If reasoning had nothing to do with education, they wouldn't teach critical thinking classes in college. You need a certain amount of intelligence to reason well, but education helps develop those skills.
Didn´t means did not.
And again reasoning have nothing to do with a person's education, like i said you mistake having a piece of paper with intelligence. Which again it does not. Reasoning comes from a person's intellect.
Only I never said anything about intelligence. I was talking about "education," which absolutely plays its part in reasoning no matter how much you want to deny it. As I said before, there's a reason that critical thinking courses are taught.
No education doesnt play a role.
If a person has the intellect they will almost always seek out knowledge and educate themselves and be able to reason. So if you would have sayd Intelligence matter then you would be correct.
After all you think Bush Jr. benefitted any from his education? or most of the american political scene.
Do you have some kind of anxiety about not having a degree or something?
Just wondering why you're so eager to devalue education.
Seems like GreySeal can only attack Last_Ride for his grammar (even though English isn't his native language, you must be feeling proud there GreySeal) and Foxhound, constantly moving the goalposts for his arguments. And, GreySeal, you did mention intelligence since you did call them "shockingly anti-intellectual". So it seems that all you can do is attack them of their intelligence and education. Furthermore, comprehending feminist arguments does not require great deals of education or intelligence for that matter. You seem to place feminist arguments on this pedestal, that people dismiss feminist arguments "without comprehending the nuances and cultural/historical context of the argument.". I hate to burst your bubble, but a person can be intelligent and educated and still disagree with the current wave of feminist arguments. Current feminist and SJW arguments have devolved into meaningless states of privilege and patriarchy; those are used to end any discussion against their cause and silences conversation. If you disagree, it's because of your privilege. If you disagree, it's because of the oppression of the patriarchy has brainwashed you into thinking that way. This garbage that is current feminism/SJW has damaged the purpose and intent of the real feminist cause.
"Anti-intellectualism" has nothing to do with innate intelligence. Please educate yourself.
You might also want to improve your reading comprehension because I didn't say that one can't be educated and disagree with feminist arguments. I'm saying that the kind of people who are associated with Gamergate don't properly comprehend feminist arguments because of a lack of education. They think that the argument boils down to "men are pigs," which is not the case. If they had taken some kind of gender studies class somewhere along the line, they might not have such a simplistic view of feminist arguments.
Perhaps you should stop with your misplaced sense of smug superiority. Anti-intellectualism can be what your wiki article describes, but it is also an insult to describe ignorant people and/or those who are hostile towards intellectual points of view and thought.
Again, you place feminist arguments on this pedestal, as if one needs an extensive amount of education to comprehend the complex structure of feminist arguments. You know nothing about the kind of people associated with Gamergate; you wish to paint them all with one broad brush that paints them as having a lack of education, that they can't properly comprehend the difficult feminist arguments.
Seems like GreySeal can only attack Last_Ride for his grammar (even though English isn't his native language, you must be feeling proud there GreySeal) and Foxhound, constantly moving the goalposts for his arguments. And, GreySeal, you did mention intelligence since you did call them "shockingly anti-intellectual". So it seems that all you can do is attack them of their intelligence and education. Furthermore, comprehending feminist arguments does not require great deals of education or intelligence for that matter. You seem to place feminist arguments on this pedestal, that people dismiss feminist arguments "without comprehending the nuances and cultural/historical context of the argument.". I hate to burst your bubble, but a person can be intelligent and educated and still disagree with the current wave of feminist arguments. Current feminist and SJW arguments have devolved into meaningless states of privilege and patriarchy; those are used to end any discussion against their cause and silences conversation. If you disagree, it's because of your privilege. If you disagree, it's because of the oppression of the patriarchy has brainwashed you into thinking that way. This garbage that is current feminism/SJW has damaged the purpose and intent of the real feminist cause.
"Anti-intellectualism" has nothing to do with innate intelligence. Please educate yourself.
You might also want to improve your reading comprehension because I didn't say that one can't be educated and disagree with feminist arguments. I'm saying that the kind of people who are associated with Gamergate don't properly comprehend feminist arguments because of a lack of education. They think that the argument boils down to "men are pigs," which is not the case. If they had taken some kind of gender studies class somewhere along the line, they might not have such a simplistic view of feminist arguments.
Perhaps you should stop with your misplaced sense of smug superiority. Anti-intellectualism can be what your wiki article describes, but it is also an insult to describe ignorant people and/or those who are hostile towards intellectual points of view and thought.
Again, you place feminist arguments on this pedestal, as if one needs an extensive amount of education to comprehend the complex structure of feminist arguments. You know nothing about the kind of people associated with Gamergate; you wish to paint them all with one broad brush that paints them as having a lack of education, that they can't properly comprehend the difficult feminist arguments.
Ignorance/=/being unintelligent. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, not a lack of intelligence.
I didn't say that one needs extensive education to comprehend feminist arguments (nor did I say they were complex), which is why I said "if they had taken some kind of gender studies class, they might not have such a simplistic view of feminist arguments." Taking a gender class or two is not extensive education. From what I've seen, Gamergaters don't have the slightest clue about feminism, which leads one to believe that they are relatively uneducated or didn't have a well-rounded education.
Seems like GreySeal can only attack Last_Ride for his grammar (even though English isn't his native language, you must be feeling proud there GreySeal) and Foxhound, constantly moving the goalposts for his arguments. And, GreySeal, you did mention intelligence since you did call them "shockingly anti-intellectual". So it seems that all you can do is attack them of their intelligence and education. Furthermore, comprehending feminist arguments does not require great deals of education or intelligence for that matter. You seem to place feminist arguments on this pedestal, that people dismiss feminist arguments "without comprehending the nuances and cultural/historical context of the argument.". I hate to burst your bubble, but a person can be intelligent and educated and still disagree with the current wave of feminist arguments. Current feminist and SJW arguments have devolved into meaningless states of privilege and patriarchy; those are used to end any discussion against their cause and silences conversation. If you disagree, it's because of your privilege. If you disagree, it's because of the oppression of the patriarchy has brainwashed you into thinking that way. This garbage that is current feminism/SJW has damaged the purpose and intent of the real feminist cause.
Funnily enough, @The_Last_Ride, Jeff Gerstmann doesn't want anything to do with you guys.
"Despite my name often being attached to the conspiratorial "gate" suffix, I've never been a big fan of the term. So when "GamerGate" rose up to cover over a campaign of harassment with a veneer of concern for the ethics of games journalism, it more or less set off every single disgust alarm I have. Though I'm sure some good people have been roped into this mess under this guise, the ethical concern portion of all this is largely a farce, a fallacy."
lol. Funny how he's saying EXACTLY the same thing as I am.
Also, The_Last_Ride, why do suppose that Jeff Gerstmann doesn't want anything to do with your oh so noble movement?
Ignorance/=/being unintelligent. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, not a lack of intelligence.
I didn't say that one needs extensive education to comprehend feminist arguments (nor did I say they were complex), which is why I said "if they had taken some kind of gender studies class, they might not have such a simplistic view of feminist arguments." Taking a gender class or two is not extensive education. From what I've seen, Gamergaters don't have the slightest clue about feminism, which leads one to believe that they are relatively uneducated or didn't have a well-rounded education.
Merriam Webster disagrees with you:
Merriam Webster
b: resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>
So from the start of this thread with your attack against Last Ride and Foxhound with you saying they "don't seem to have enough education to properly comprehend feminist arguments." Apparently, enough education for you is taking a gender class or two? You're right that taking a gender class or two is not extensive education, but it is also true that it would not transform these individuals into suddenly comprehending feminist arguments.
Having little knowledge or great knowledge of feminism and feminist theory /=/ someone being relatively uneducated or someone not having a well-rounded education.
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