Are you a vegetarian?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]I'm hungry. I think I'll have pork, beef, chicken, and some sort of fish for dinner. :) Or lamb. Lamb alone > all of that.drewtwo99

Even though I agree with you, because we are now arch-nemeses, I must beg to differ. You see... the best meat is DEFINITELY lobster! YUMMM.

Yeah, Tofu is pretty good for protein, right?Jandurin

Yeah, soy stuff is the core source of protein for most vegetarians. Tempeh is actually pretty good, and some of the psuedo meat products made from soy make decent alternatives once in a while.

What's interesting, though, is that a lot of vegetarians are also parked in the all-natural camp and freak out over genetically modified stuff. I'm pretty sure soybeans are one of the most genetically modified crops this side of cotton.

Next time I spot one in the store I'm going to ask how they like their Franken-curd.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="kingdre"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="kingdre"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="kingdre"]

That proves it. Meat is vital to a person's diet.

kingdre

Quite incorrect, sir.

It's high in protein, contains essential amino acids, vitamins B6 and B12, iron, riboflavin, and others.

Meat isn't the only thing with those nutirients...

I didn't say it was the only one that contained those things. I was merely listing what meat has.

You did say meat is vital. It is not, and all benefits of meat can be replaced by other things.

For example?

Google the nutrients you listed. They are available in many, many foods.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Yeah, Tofu is pretty good for protein, right?DJ_Lae

Yeah, soy stuff is the core source of protein for most vegetarians. Tempeh is actually pretty good, and some of the psuedo meat products made from soy make decent alternatives once in a while.

What's interesting, though, is that a lot of vegetarians are also parked in the all-natural camp and freak out over genetically modified stuff. I'm pretty sure soybeans are one of the most genetically modified crops this side of cotton.

Next time I spot one in the store I'm going to ask how they like their Franken-curd.

[QUOTE="mattyftm"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="kingdre"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="kingdre"]

That proves it. Meat is vital to a person's diet.

Engrish_Major

Quite incorrect, sir.

It's high in protein, contains essential amino acids, vitamins B6 and B12, iron, riboflavin, and others.

Meat isn't the only thing with those nutirients...

But it is much harder to get them without meat.

Not that I've found...

There are 20 diferent amino acids vital for human life. A meat eater realy only needs to eat a couple of types of meat a week and they can be fairly sure they have them. A vegitarian needs to eat very specific things to get them, or it can be very unhealthy in the long term.

They'd have to stick to things like wild berries because every crop that is commercially grown has been genetically modified. It's interesting to look at the wild plant and the man-made plant; they look soo different.DeeJayInphinity

True, although only some crops have been genetically modified in the strictest sense - cultivation and selective breeding isn't viewed as inherently unnatural (or if it is, I wonder what those people eat).

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]They'd have to stick to things like wild berries because every crop that is commercially grown has been genetically modified. It's interesting to look at the wild plant and the man-made plant; they look soo different.DJ_Lae

True, although only some crops have been genetically modified in the strictest sense - cultivation and selective breeding isn't viewed as inherently unnatural (or if it is, I wonder what those people eat).

Exactly. Genetic modification refers to the act of artificially altering the genetic material of organisms through any means OTHER than breeding.

There are 20 diferent amino acids vital for human life. A meat eater realy only needs to eat a couple of types of meat a week and they can be fairly sure they have them. A vegitarian needs to eat very specific things to get them, or it can be very unhealthy in the long term.

mattyftm

Things as simple as combining rice and beans, or pasta and cheese, or grain cereal and milk, for instance, provide the amino acids and proteins necessary for a healthy diet.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]They'd have to stick to things like wild berries because every crop that is commercially grown has been genetically modified. It's interesting to look at the wild plant and the man-made plant; they look soo different.DJ_Lae

True, although only some crops have been genetically modified in the strictest sense - cultivation and selective breeding isn't viewed as inherently unnatural (or if it is, I wonder what those people eat).

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]They'd have to stick to things like wild berries because every crop that is commercially grown has been genetically modified. It's interesting to look at the wild plant and the man-made plant; they look soo different.DeeJayInphinity

True, although only some crops have been genetically modified in the strictest sense - cultivation and selective breeding isn't viewed as inherently unnatural (or if it is, I wonder what those people eat).

The results can be quite different as you can insert genes from organisms which are not sexually viable with the target organism.

[QUOTE="kingdre"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="kingdre"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="kingdre"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="kingdre"]

That proves it. Meat is vital to a person's diet.

Engrish_Major

Quite incorrect, sir.

It's high in protein, contains essential amino acids, vitamins B6 and B12, iron, riboflavin, and others.

Meat isn't the only thing with those nutirients...

I didn't say it was the only one that contained those things. I was merely listing what meat has.

You did say meat is vital. It is not, and all benefits of meat can be replaced by other things.

For example?

Google the nutrients you listed. They are available in many, many foods.

If anyone is to have a balanced diet, they need food rich in those substances. The original point was that meat is a primary source of protein.

The problem with other protein-rich foods like nuts, tofu, etc is that they are not always readily available for some people. When it comes right down to it, meat is the most basic and most easily acquired source of protein.

The results can be quite different as you can insert genes from organisms which are not sexually viable with the target organism.

drewtwo99

[QUOTE="mattyftm"]

There are 20 diferent amino acids vital for human life. A meat eater realy only needs to eat a couple of types of meat a week and they can be fairly sure they have them. A vegitarian needs to eat very specific things to get them, or it can be very unhealthy in the long term.

Engrish_Major

Things as simple as combining rice and beans, or pasta and cheese, or grain cereal and milk, for instance, provide the amino acids and proteins necessary for a healthy diet.

No, thoes things only contain a few of the neccisary amino acids, you need a broad range of high protein foods to get all the needed amino acids.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="mattyftm"]

There are 20 diferent amino acids vital for human life. A meat eater realy only needs to eat a couple of types of meat a week and they can be fairly sure they have them. A vegitarian needs to eat very specific things to get them, or it can be very unhealthy in the long term.

mattyftm

Things as simple as combining rice and beans, or pasta and cheese, or grain cereal and milk, for instance, provide the amino acids and proteins necessary for a healthy diet.

No, thoes things only contain a few of the neccisary amino acids, you need a broad range of high protein foods to get all the needed amino acids.

Well, don't know what you are getting at, because EVERY study I've seen says that vegetarians live longer than others.

[QUOTE="mattyftm"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="mattyftm"]

There are 20 diferent amino acids vital for human life. A meat eater realy only needs to eat a couple of types of meat a week and they can be fairly sure they have them. A vegitarian needs to eat very specific things to get them, or it can be very unhealthy in the long term.

Engrish_Major

Things as simple as combining rice and beans, or pasta and cheese, or grain cereal and milk, for instance, provide the amino acids and proteins necessary for a healthy diet.

No, thoes things only contain a few of the neccisary amino acids, you need a broad range of high protein foods to get all the needed amino acids.

Well, don't know what you are getting at, because EVERY study I've seen says that vegetarians live longer than others.

I'm not getting at anything, I'm providing evidence for my origioal comment that getting your needed protein is harder when you're a vegitarian.

I'm not getting at anything, I'm providing evidence for my origioal comment that getting your needed protein is harder when you're a vegitarian.

mattyftm

Could be. But just because something is "hard" doesn't make it not worth doing ;)

[QUOTE="mattyftm"]

I'm not getting at anything, I'm providing evidence for my origioal comment that getting your needed protein is harder when you're a vegitarian.

Engrish_Major

Could be. But just because something is "hard" doesn't make it not worth doing ;)

And you said before that studdies say vegitarians live longer, most of these studdies atribute it to non dietary factors.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="mattyftm"]

I'm not getting at anything, I'm providing evidence for my origioal comment that getting your needed protein is harder when you're a vegitarian.

mattyftm

Could be. But just because something is "hard" doesn't make it not worth doing ;)

And you said before that studdies say vegitarians live longer, most of these studdies atribute it to non dietary factors.

Some of it, not all. Beef and pork = not really good for you at all.

Well, don't know what you are getting at, because EVERY study I've seen says that vegetarians live longer than others.Engrish_Major

I wouldn't be surprised. The one advantage to being a vegetarian is that it forces you to pay attention to what you eat, which is something a lot of people could benefit from.

[QUOTE="mattyftm"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="mattyftm"]

I'm not getting at anything, I'm providing evidence for my origioal comment that getting your needed protein is harder when you're a vegitarian.

Engrish_Major

Could be. But just because something is "hard" doesn't make it not worth doing ;)

And you said before that studdies say vegitarians live longer, most of these studdies atribute it to non dietary factors.

Some of it, not all. Beef and pork = not really good for you at all.

But its sooooo sooooooo tasty *drools*

Plus anything can be healthy as part of a balanced diet.

But its sooooo sooooooo tasty *drools*

Plus anything can be healthy as part of a balanced diet.

mattyftm

[QUOTE="mattyftm"]

But its sooooo sooooooo tasty *drools*

Plus anything can be healthy as part of a balanced diet.

Jandurin

As part of a balanced diet, I'm sure it is. Although for it to be part of a balanced diet you can probably only eat half a gram of it.

I'm a foodie, so I eat some stuff that even most people who claim to be "blood thirsty meat eaters" would get grossed out by. The truth is though - if you go through life without ever trying foie gras, you've missed out.subrosian

Foie gras isn't particularly disgusting. I thought you'd talk about eating calf brains or something.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]I'm a foodie, so I eat some stuff that even most people who claim to be "blood thirsty meat eaters" would get grossed out by. The truth is though - if you go through life without ever trying foie gras, you've missed out.DJ_Lae

Foie gras isn't particularly disgusting. I thought you'd talk about eating calf brains or something.

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]I'm a foodie, so I eat some stuff that even most people who claim to be "blood thirsty meat eaters" would get grossed out by. The truth is though - if you go through life without ever trying foie gras, you've missed out.DeeJayInphinity

Foie gras isn't particularly disgusting. I thought you'd talk about eating calf brains or something.

I wasn't mentioning the oddest thing I've ever eaten, i was simply mentioning a food that everyone *must eat*. There's actually one better than foie gras- which is a dish the french used to do (before it was outlawed) where they fattened up songbirds, deep fried them, and ate them whole. It was basically supposed to be the most amazing food ever.

Brains can be good if they're prepared right - but no, I wouldn't recommend eating *cow brains* because of BSE and all that stuff, prion diseases typically come from eating brains / spines and given that it's extremely unlikely you'll ever find them prepared correctly outside of a few culinary circles, you're best off just leaving them be.

I wasn't mentioning the oddest thing I've ever eaten, i was simply mentioning a food that everyone *must eat*. There's actually one better than foie gras- which is a dish the french used to do (before it was outlawed) where they fattened up songbirds, deep fried them, and ate them whole. It was basically supposed to be the most amazing food ever.

Brains can be good if they're prepared right - but no, I wouldn't recommend eating *cow brains* because of BSE and all that stuff, prion diseases typically come from eating brains / spines and given that it's extremely unlikely you'll ever find them prepared correctly outside of a few culinary circles, you're best off just leaving them be.

subrosian

Feathers and all? That would be interesting to swallow. Why was it outlawed? I wouldn't think eating songbirds would be any more controversial than force-feeding geese.

No, and I believe that if an animal can eat an animal, I can eat an animal. Efielret

Does the same rule apply to your entire behavioral attitude? :P

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]I'm a foodie, so I eat some stuff that even most people who claim to be "blood thirsty meat eaters" would get grossed out by. The truth is though - if you go through life without ever trying foie gras, you've missed out.subrosian

Foie gras isn't particularly disgusting. I thought you'd talk about eating calf brains or something.

I wasn't mentioning the oddest thing I've ever eaten, i was simply mentioning a food that everyone *must eat*. There's actually one better than foie gras- which is a dish the french used to do (before it was outlawed) where they fattened up songbirds, deep fried them, and ate them whole. It was basically supposed to be the most amazing food ever.

Brains can be good if they're prepared right - but no, I wouldn't recommend eating *cow brains* because of BSE and all that stuff, prion diseases typically come from eating brains / spines and given that it's extremely unlikely you'll ever find them prepared correctly outside of a few culinary circles, you're best off just leaving them be.

There are alot of weird foods that are realy tasty. I love black pudding (its basicly a sausage made out of pigs blood). I also like haggis, which is a scottish dish which is basicly a load of diferent sheep offal (all the leftover bits from meat, mainly internal organs and things) in a sheeps bladder with some other things in there (onions, oatmeal, suet).

[QUOTE="subrosian"]I wasn't mentioning the oddest thing I've ever eaten, i was simply mentioning a food that everyone *must eat*. There's actually one better than foie gras- which is a dish the french used to do (before it was outlawed) where they fattened up songbirds, deep fried them, and ate them whole. It was basically supposed to be the most amazing food ever.

Brains can be good if they're prepared right - but no, I wouldn't recommend eating *cow brains* because of BSE and all that stuff, prion diseases typically come from eating brains / spines and given that it's extremely unlikely you'll ever find them prepared correctly outside of a few culinary circles, you're best off just leaving them be.

DJ_Lae

Feathers and all? That would be interesting to swallow. Why was it outlawed? I wouldn't think eating songbirds would be any more controversial than force-feeding geese.

The feathers come off when you fry it. It's not just any songbird, it's a particular species that became endangered, and that combined with everything else resulted in the practice being outlawed.

[QUOTE="Efielret"]No, and I believe that if an animal can eat an animal, I can eat an animal. Engrish_Major

Does the same rule apply to your entire behavioral attitude? :P