I am a libertarian, but that's a very vague definition. I'm against torture, the death penalty, abortion, government spending, taxes, and government instituted marriages. I'm for lenient immigration rules and the separation of church and state.

I am a libertarian, but that's a very vague definition. I'm against torture, the death penalty, abortion, government spending, taxes, and government instituted marriages. I'm for lenient immigration rules and the separation of church and state.

Genetic_Code

From what you stated I'm 2/3 libertarian. I also agree on immigration. They should make it easier to gain citizenship. But I think we should be trying harder to get illegals out.

From what you stated I'm 2/3 libertarian. I also agree on immigration. They should make it easier to gain citizenship. But I think we should be trying harder to get illegals out.

battlefront23

Libertarian is a mixture of conservative economics and liberal social views.

As for immigration, I do think it should be easier, but even if the tolerance isn't decreased, I still see no problems with sanctuary cities, so as long as they don't protect criminals that are illegal immigrants.

All the candidates want to clamp down on Mexico when all the terrorists that attacked the U.S. on September 11th crossed from Canada.

green. I would never want them to have a majority or even minority government, but they need to be well represented in the house. If we have no Earth, politics wouldn't mean a thing.iloverikku11

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From what you stated I'm 2/3 libertarian. I also agree on immigration. They should make it easier to gain citizenship. But I think we should be trying harder to get illegals out.

Genetic_Code

Libertarian is a mixture of conservative economics and liberal social views.

As for immigration, I do think it should be easier, but even if the tolerance isn't decreased, I still see no problems with sanctuary cities, so as long as they don't protect criminals that are illegal immigrants. I remember reading up about them, but I can't remember many of the arguments actually, besides that the U.S. can provide human rights that other countries deny to certain people for the most cruel reasons.

What's funny is that all the candidates want to clamp down on Mexico when all the terrorists that attacked the U.S. on September 11th crossed from Canada.

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From what you stated I'm 2/3 libertarian. I also agree on immigration. They should make it easier to gain citizenship. But I think we should be trying harder to get illegals out.

Genetic_Code

Libertarian is a mixture of conservative economics and liberal social views.

As for immigration, I do think it should be easier, but even if the tolerance isn't decreased, I still see no problems with sanctuary cities, so as long as they don't protect criminals that are illegal immigrants. I remember reading up about them, but I can't remember many of the arguments actually, besides that the U.S. can provide human rights that other countries deny to certain people for the most cruel reasons.

What's funny is that all the candidates want to clamp down on Mexico when all the terrorists that attacked the U.S. on September 11th crossed from Canada.

Well than I'm not quite libertarian; I find no problem with the death penalty or torture (I can explain the latter.) I think Ron Paul economically is a genius but his other policies seem odd to me.

Well than I'm not quite libertarian; I find no problem with the death penalty or tortue (I can explain the latter.) I think Ron Paul economically is a genius but his other policies seem odd to me.

battlefront23

I'm actually not sure what the libertarian stance is on immigration.

I have no problem with the death penalty either, but I think it's inefficient. I think that torture is inefficient and unnecessary. I think there are some people who deserve it, but I prefer due process.

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Well than I'm not quite libertarian; I find no problem with the death penalty or tortue (I can explain the latter.) I think Ron Paul economically is a genius but his other policies seem odd to me.

Genetic_Code

I'm actually not sure what the libertarian stance is on immigration.

I have no problem with the death penalty either, but I think it's inefficient. I think that torture is inefficient and unnecessary. I think there are some people who deserve it, but I prefer due process.

Secular humanist.

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Well than I'm not quite libertarian; I find no problem with the death penalty or tortue (I can explain the latter.) I think Ron Paul economically is a genius but his other policies seem odd to me.

Genetic_Code

I'm actually not sure what the libertarian stance is on immigration.

I have no problem with the death penalty either, but I think it's inefficient. I think that torture is inefficient and unnecessary. I think there are some people who deserve it, but I prefer due process.

Alright so we agree A LOT more than I initially thought. :P I think torture should only be used in national security issues; where many lives are at stake. Now if it's simply a marine beating up a terrorist, I could honestly care less. But going any frather than that is wrong I think.

I'm Centrist so I'll vote moderate. They are similiar, but not the same.

On the link that Bogaty gave:

Economy Left/Right -3.00

Social Libertarian/Authoritarion -4.51

I bet it is nothing like John's just because almost all republicans hated his imigration plan, and the democrats loved it. I would guess it is more like the republican plan. Jacobistheman

I don't follow your logic. Don't you mean it is more like the Democrat's plan?

I would say it is liberal leaning. Perhaps I'm way too liberal on immigration, but I personally don't like how he wants criminals deported from the U.S. I'm worried about the definition of "crime". Would he be referring to jaywalkers or actual murderers? Even so, I don't like the idea of releasing a murderer back into his own country. It may take crime away from our country but it just recycles crime into another. I think it would be much easier if lock said murderer him up in a cell.

Secular humanist.

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Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.03

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bogaty

[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]I bet it is nothing like John's just because almost all republicans hated his imigration plan, and the democrats loved it. I would guess it is more like the republican plan. Genetic_Code

I don't follow your logic. Don't you mean it is more like the Democrat's plan?

I would say it is liberal leaning. Perhaps I'm way too liberal on immigration, but I personally don't like how he wants criminals deported from the U.S. I'm worried about the definition of "crime". Would he be referring to jaywalkers or actual murderers? Even so, I don't like the idea of releasing a murderer back into his own country. It may take crime away from our country but it just recycles crime into another. I think it would be much easier if lock said murderer him up in a cell.

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Secular humanist.

My political compass

Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.03

Take the test yourself

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Jacobistheman

Have a look at the various graphs. Your score puts you closest to Mike Gravel's platform during the US primaries, but more libertarin in yoru social views than Ron Paul. Historically, you're closest to economist Milton Friedmann and author Ayn Rand. Best described as a "neo-liberal anarchist."

The usual understanding of anarchism as a left wing ideology does not take into account the neo-liberal "anarchism" championed by the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and America's Libertarian Party, which couples social Darwinian right-wing economics with liberal positions on most social issues.

Very liberal.

I did that political compass thing a few days ago and got something like -6 for both economic and social.

Alright so we agree A LOT more than I initially thought. :P I think torture should only be used in national security issues; where many lives are at stake. Now if it's simply a marine beating up a terrorist, I could honestly care less. But going any frather than that is wrong I think.

battlefront23

Moderate...

Ultimately, I am a hybrid socialist, liberal, humanist democrat. Labels are no better than being in highschool and being labelled X- it means nothing and reflects very little about what you stand for, or who you are as a person.

As it stands, I am well educated in the physical sciences, and a member of the British Humanist Association.

Neither really. I consider myself left-libertarian, so definitely closer to liberal than conservative.gbpman630

I don't think you understand your terms. There are many political outlooks that incorporate "liber" or "liberal" in their identification, but only a few of them are left-wing in ideology. Neoliberalism and Libertarianism are the most gross right-wing offenders.

[QUOTE="gbpman630"]Neither really. I consider myself left-libertarian, so definitely closer to liberal than conservative.hrmuffnstuff

I don't think you understand your terms. There are many political outlooks that incorporate "liber" or "liberal" in their identification, but only a few of them are left-wing in ideology. Neoliberalism and Libertarianism are the most gross right-wing offenders.

See Noam Chomsky: link

Moderate.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Moderate.htekemerald

How?

[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Moderate.Genetic_Code

How?

Because Theokhoth has often shown himself to be quite conservative, at least that is what I think he is referring to.

Because Theokhoth has often shown himself to be quite conservative, at least that is what I think he is referring to.

fkholmes

Good point. I only know Theokhoth's stances on two issues which are abortion and same-sex marriage. He is very conservative on abortion and moderate about same-sex marriage.

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[QUOTE="gbpman630"]Neither really. I consider myself left-libertarian, so definitely closer to liberal than conservative.gbpman630

I don't think you understand your terms. There are many political outlooks that incorporate "liber" or "liberal" in their identification, but only a few of them are left-wing in ideology. Neoliberalism and Libertarianism are the most gross right-wing offenders.

See Noam Chomsky: link

What I am trying to elucidate is that the use of the word "liberal" has been adopted by many different people/parties representing very different ideals, and just because you identify with what you think that word means to you is not necessarily representative of what you think. Despite your political stance, the use of the word "liberal" is not mutually exclusive. This is what I am trying to portray to the layman on here. "Liberal" essentially means favorable to progress or reform, and does not denote any political stance in and of itself.