Are you offended by Christianity?

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[QUOTE="camreeno360"]I feel kind of offended with the fact that so many people sacrifice their very ability to think for themselves in adherence to a book...(ahhhem, the bible) And I'm not sure how the books existence somehow means it's exempt from giving proof that anything in it is true.sSubZerOo

People who follow the bible don't die for it, they die for God.

Or if they work on Sunday's ;)

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People who follow the bible don't die for it, they die for God.

RationalAtheist

If the bible didn't exist, your belief in God, as it is, would not exist either.

Your belief stems from adherence to the doctrine.

Bullseye.

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[QUOTE="camreeno360"]I feel kind of offended with the fact that so many people sacrifice their very ability to think for themselves in adherence to a book...(ahhhem, the bible) And I'm not sure how the books existence somehow means it's exempt from giving proof that anything in it is true.123625

People who follow the bible don't die for it, they die for God.

Or if they work on Sunday's ;)

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Did I miss something?

Exodus 35:2 "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death."

xxdustmanxx, you haven't shown me those eye-witness accounts backing up the other religions. fanofazrienoch

Again, if the events were written with the intention of being taken literally, which im sure the koran was then there must have been eyewitnesses in the stories.

I feel that if Christianity is false, and that the Bible is a "fairy tale," then the people against it would now ignore it. Instead, and like on this board, it's usually questioned or even attacked. If it's fake, then why do you fear it?

MayorJohnny

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People who follow the bible don't die for it, they die for God.

RationalAtheist

If the bible didn't exist, your belief in God, as it is, would not exist either.

Your belief stems from adherence to the doctrine.

What if questions are useless. Its like me saying, If charles darwin didn't exist or didn't wirte about his theory of evolution and natural selection, everyone would still be creationist. Which is quite possible.

And beleif in God does not stem from one doctrine.

Actually im sure many of the pagans didn't write down there God's on scripture. They were passed down by oral tradition. If christianity wasn't written down it could of been passed down aurally. Just a though.

Actually almost all anceint religions were passed down by speech and preeching, then only to be wirrten down hundreds of years later.

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="123625"]

People who follow the bible don't die for it, they die for God.

123625

If the bible didn't exist, your belief in God, as it is, would not exist either.

Your belief stems from adherence to the doctrine.

What if questions are useless. Its like me saying, If charles darwin didn't exist or didn't wirte about his theory of evolution and natural selection, everyone would still be creationist. Which is quite possible.

And beleif in God does not stem from one doctrine.

Actually im sure many of the pagans didn't write down there God's on scripture. They were passed down by oral tradition. If christianity wasn't written down it could of been passed down aurally. Just a though.

Actually almost all anceint religions were passed down by speech and preeching, then only to be wirrten down hundreds of years later.

How does this prove the existence of the supernatural?

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="123625"]

People who follow the bible don't die for it, they die for God.

123625

If the bible didn't exist, your belief in God, as it is, would not exist either.

Your belief stems from adherence to the doctrine.

What if questions are useless. Its like me saying, If charles darwin didn't exist or didn't wirte about his theory of evolution and natural selection, everyone would still be creationist. Which is quite possible.

Thats false, evolution was hypotheisesd by I believe Aximander, before Christ in Ancient greece.. During the time of Socrates.. And I am quite sure some one would come to this conclusion with the evidence we have seen.

And beleif in God does not stem from one doctrine.

Many religions/doctrines, god can be seen as completely different.. Hell some forms of Budhism, are closer to athiests then true thiests.

Actually im sure many of the pagans didn't write down there God's on scripture. They were passed down by oral tradition. If christianity wasn't written down it could of been passed down aurally. Just a though.

Called Greek, and Norse Mythology..

Actually almost all anceint religions were passed down by speech and preeching, then only to be wirrten down hundreds of years later.

That is false, cultures like Rome and Greece had written language for a very very very long time..

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="123625"]

People who follow the bible don't die for it, they die for God.

sSubZerOo

If the bible didn't exist, your belief in God, as it is, would not exist either.

Your belief stems from adherence to the doctrine.

What if questions are useless. Its like me saying, If charles darwin didn't exist or didn't wirte about his theory of evolution and natural selection, everyone would still be creationist. Which is quite possible.

Thats false, evolution was hypotheisesd by I believe Aximander, before Christ in Ancient greece.. During the time of Socrates.. And I am quite sure some one would come to this conclusion with the evidence we have seen.

Okay what if those people didn't exist or write about evolution?

And beleif in God does not stem from one doctrine.

Many religions/doctrines, god can be seen as completely different.. Hell some forms of Budhism, are closer to athiests then true thiests.

I know this

Actually im sure many of the pagans didn't write down there God's on scripture. They were passed down by oral tradition. If christianity wasn't written down it could of been passed down aurally. Just a though.

Called Greek, and Norse Mythology..

These were the only pagan religions?

Actually almost all anceint religions were passed down by speech and preeching, then only to be wirrten down hundreds of years later.

That is false, cultures like Rome and Greece had written language for a very very very long time..

These count as most religions?

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People who follow the bible don't die for it, they die for God.

xxDustmanxx

If the bible didn't exist, your belief in God, as it is, would not exist either.

Your belief stems from adherence to the doctrine.

What if questions are useless. Its like me saying, If charles darwin didn't exist or didn't wirte about his theory of evolution and natural selection, everyone would still be creationist. Which is quite possible.

And beleif in God does not stem from one doctrine.

Actually im sure many of the pagans didn't write down there God's on scripture. They were passed down by oral tradition. If christianity wasn't written down it could of been passed down aurally. Just a though.

Actually almost all anceint religions were passed down by speech and preeching, then only to be wirrten down hundreds of years later.

How does this prove the existence of the supernatural?

I said this proves God or the supernatural when exactly? I'm talking about belief in God.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="123625"]

People who follow the bible don't die for it, they die for God.

123625

If the bible didn't exist, your belief in God, as it is, would not exist either.

Your belief stems from adherence to the doctrine.

What if questions are useless. Its like me saying, If charles darwin didn't exist or didn't wirte about his theory of evolution and natural selection, everyone would still be creationist. Which is quite possible.

Thats false, evolution was hypotheisesd by I believe Aximander, before Christ in Ancient greece.. During the time of Socrates.. And I am quite sure some one would come to this conclusion with the evidence we have seen.

Okay what if those people didn't exist or write about evolution?

There would be another person.. You make it sound like these people founded evolution.. When merely they realized through deductive reasoning.. If it didn't happen with Darwin it would have happened with some thing else.. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean that the science community doesn't either.

And beleif in God does not stem from one doctrine.

Many religions/doctrines, god can be seen as completely different.. Hell some forms of Budhism, are closer to athiests then true thiests.

I know this

Actually im sure many of the pagans didn't write down there God's on scripture. They were passed down by oral tradition. If christianity wasn't written down it could of been passed down aurally. Just a though.

Called Greek, and Norse Mythology..

These were the only pagan religions?

Not at all they were considered examples..

Actually almost all anceint religions were passed down by speech and preeching, then only to be wirrten down hundreds of years later.

That is false, cultures like Rome and Greece had written language for a very very very long time..

These count as most religions?

Well we could go further.. We know for instance that the culture in India had written language for a very long time.. Same goes for China. Written language is the first step for the advancement of civilization.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="123625"]

People who follow the bible don't die for it, they die for God.

123625

If the bible didn't exist, your belief in God, as it is, would not exist either.

Your belief stems from adherence to the doctrine.

What if questions are useless. Its like me saying, If charles darwin didn't exist or didn't wirte about his theory of evolution and natural selection, everyone would still be creationist. Which is quite possible.

And beleif in God does not stem from one doctrine.

Actually im sure many of the pagans didn't write down there God's on scripture. They were passed down by oral tradition. If christianity wasn't written down it could of been passed down aurally. Just a though.

Actually almost all anceint religions were passed down by speech and preeching, then only to be wirrten down hundreds of years later.

How does this prove the existence of the supernatural?

I said this proves God or the supernatural when exactly? I'm talking about belief in God.

Which is much more amiable then the jokers earlier on trying to claim that with out a doubt that Jesus was Divine..

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People who follow the bible don't die for it, they die for God.

sSubZerOo

If the bible didn't exist, your belief in God, as it is, would not exist either.

Your belief stems from adherence to the doctrine.

What if questions are useless. Its like me saying, If charles darwin didn't exist or didn't wirte about his theory of evolution and natural selection, everyone would still be creationist. Which is quite possible.

Thats false, evolution was hypotheisesd by I believe Aximander, before Christ in Ancient greece.. During the time of Socrates.. And I am quite sure some one would come to this conclusion with the evidence we have seen.

Okay what if those people didn't exist or write about evolution?

There would be another person.. You make it sound like these people founded evolution.. When merely they realized through deductive reasoning.. If it didn't happen with Darwin it would have happened with some thing else.. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean that the science community doesn't either.

Mere assumptions, are you 100% sure this would happen? How do you know? These could of been the only people to suggest something like this. "What if," questions are useless, cause the results and predictions are beyond our knowledge or comprehending. You cannot say for sure, using a "what if" question.

And beleif in God does not stem from one doctrine.

Many religions/doctrines, god can be seen as completely different.. Hell some forms of Budhism, are closer to athiests then true thiests.

I know this

Actually im sure many of the pagans didn't write down there God's on scripture. They were passed down by oral tradition. If christianity wasn't written down it could of been passed down aurally. Just a though.

Called Greek, and Norse Mythology..

These were the only pagan religions?

Not at all they were considered examples..

I'm not alking about a select group of pagan materials. I'm talking about most Pagan texts, were they all written and passed down, by texts and not speech? I am assuming no.

Actually almost all anceint religions were passed down by speech and preeching, then only to be wirrten down hundreds of years later.

That is false, cultures like Rome and Greece had written language for a very very very long time..

These count as most religions?

Well we could go further.. We know for instance that the culture in India had written language for a very long time.. Same goes for China. Written language is the first step for the advancement of civilization.

For one thing we are not discussing language, we are discussing religion and how it was known. Just because a language existed doesnt mean all had the ability to read and write, actually most of them didn't. Only the higher rank people with education could read and write.

We're talking about religion. Most religions were passed down by the mouth. They weren't just written and distributed, and people beleived in them. They were oral stories which people years later wrote down. Like the Gospels for example, and other religous texts im sure.

So in conclusion i propose "what if" questions useless as they are not valid.

And please excuse my slobberish typing.

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How does this prove the existence of the supernatural?

sSubZerOo

I said this proves God or the supernatural when exactly? I'm talking about belief in God.

Which is much more amiable then the jokers earlier on trying to claim that with out a doubt that Jesus was Divine..

This actually proves the fact that the bible cannot be trusted. If this is true, then, legally, the bible and all beliefs cannot be trusted because of hearsay

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

How does this prove the existence of the supernatural?

Benjamin-T

I said this proves God or the supernatural when exactly? I'm talking about belief in God.

Which is much more amiable then the jokers earlier on trying to claim that with out a doubt that Jesus was Divine..

This actually proves the fact that the bible cannot be trusted. If this is true, then, legally, the bible and all beliefs cannot be trusted because of hearsay

Tell me what the bible is.

[QUOTE="Benjamin-T"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

How does this prove the existence of the supernatural?

123625

I said this proves God or the supernatural when exactly? I'm talking about belief in God.

Which is much more amiable then the jokers earlier on trying to claim that with out a doubt that Jesus was Divine..

This actually proves the fact that the bible cannot be trusted. If this is true, then, legally, the bible and all beliefs cannot be trusted because of hearsay

Tell me what the bible is.

The biblie is a collection of stories from different people (New Testament). That's why you have Matthew, Mark, Lucas, and John to tell you the story of Jesus. 4 people's view of the guy could increase the accuracy of the story.

Of course, my theory is that the bible, and most religion for that matter, were invented by old crones thinking about how everything was made.

Mere assumptions, are you 100% sure this would happen? How do you know? These could of been the only people to suggest something like this. "What if," questions are useless, cause the results and predictions are beyond our knowledge or comprehending. You cannot say for sure, using a "what if" question.

123625

Archimedes comes to mind at this statement. basically, he discovered a large amount of things but after his death the works were lost until the Renaissance.

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Mere assumptions, are you 100% sure this would happen? How do you know? These could of been the only people to suggest something like this. "What if," questions are useless, cause the results and predictions are beyond our knowledge or comprehending. You cannot say for sure, using a "what if" question.

Hewkii

Archimedes comes to mind at this statement. basically, he discovered a large amount of things but after his death the works were lost until the Renaissance.

Doesnt change the fact that "what if" arguments are useless for debates, and conversations.

Also heres a question. What if all the people who had a dramatic effect on the theory of evolution didn't exist or just didn't think of it? The results are completely unanswerable, due to the situations that can or can't be foreseen.

The results are completely unanswerable, due to the situations that can or can't be foreseen.

123625

perhaps, but it has been shown to happen in the past.

[QUOTE="skreetpreacha"]I feel the same way man. In today's age of lawsuits and political correctness, I too feel Christianity is biasly attacked in America, compared to protecting and tolerating other religions and cultures. Deity_Slapper

Because christianity was the reason so many of those other religions were being held down and disrespected. People are upset with christianity for throwing it's weight around like it's the superior lifestyle. Time to fight back.

In my 26 years of living, I've NEVER personally seen "Christianity throwing it's weight around and disrespecting other religions and cultures". But I experience prejudice for BEING a Christian very often, and often in the workplace, which protects the rights of every other religion and culture except Christianity.

I'm greatly offended by christianity, it's a religion with a massive basing on their spider monkey getting killed by my people, thereby making all the autrocities we've suffed okay...since we killed "jesus" and all.Andrew_Xavier

I guess it's safe to say that you don't understand Christianity.:|

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]I'm greatly offended by christianity, it's a religion with a massive basing on their spider monkey getting killed by my people, thereby making all the autrocities we've suffed okay...since we killed "jesus" and all.Quick-Time

I guess it's safe to say that you don't understand Christianity.:|

I guess it's safe to say I do. The pivital moment in "christianity" was when "jesus" was crucified by my people, that's why every church has a cross, he died for their sins, and we "killed him".

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[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]I'm greatly offended by christianity, it's a religion with a massive basing on their spider monkey getting killed by my people, thereby making all the autrocities we've suffed okay...since we killed "jesus" and all.Andrew_Xavier

I guess it's safe to say that you don't understand Christianity.:|

I guess it's safe to say I do. The pivital moment in "christianity" was when "jesus" was crucified by my people, that's why every church has a cross, he died for their sins, and we "killed him".

Again. That's not a deep and meaningful understanding. Oh, Jesus was Jewsih.:)

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[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]I'm greatly offended by christianity, it's a religion with a massive basing on their spider monkey getting killed by my people, thereby making all the autrocities we've suffed okay...since we killed "jesus" and all.Quick-Time

I guess it's safe to say that you don't understand Christianity.:|

I guess it's safe to say I do. The pivital moment in "christianity" was when "jesus" was crucified by my people, that's why every church has a cross, he died for their sins, and we "killed him".

Again. That's not a deep and meaningful understanding. Oh, Jesus was Jewsih.:)

I'm well aware. So, what's your deep and meaningful understanding? During the spanish inquizitions, they sure believed what I said. That's one of many examples throughout history.

I'm well aware. So, what's your deep and meaningful understanding? During the spanish inquizitions, they sure believed what I said. That's one of many examples throughout history.

Andrew_Xavier

The Spanish Inquisition was the monarchy hiding behind religion. Not the religion itself.:)

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I'm well aware. So, what's your deep and meaningful understanding? During the spanish inquizitions, they sure believed what I said. That's one of many examples throughout history.

Quick-Time

The Spanish Inquisition was the monarchy hiding behind religion. Not the religion itself.:)

The Spanish Inquisition was about force converting/killing/getting all the jews out of Spain. Sounds religious to me.

The Spanish Inquisition was about force converting/killing/getting all the jews out of Spain. Sounds religious to me.

Andrew_Xavier

Or political.;)

Ironically you complain about religious intolerance by using religious intolerance. Double standard FTL.