Are you proud to be an American?

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#51 Tauruslink
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I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free!!!
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I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free!!! Tauruslink
I hope this is irony.
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#53 helium_flash
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Not really.

I do like the extra attention we receive overseas though :P

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#54 The_Solid
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If tomorrow all the things were gone, I'd worked for all my life. And I had to start again, with just my children and my wife.

I'd thank my lucky stars, to be livin here today. ' Cause the flag still stands for freedom, and they can't take that away.

And I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free. And I wont forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.

And I gladly stand up, next to you and defend her still today. ' Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land, God bless the USA.

From the lakes of Minnesota, to the hills of Tennessee. Across the plains of Texas, From sea to shining sea.

From Detroit down to Houston, and New York to L.A. Well there's pride in every American heart, and its time we stand and say.

That I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free. And I wont forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.

And I gladly stand up, next to you and defend her still today. ' Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land, God bless the USA.

And I'm proud to be and American, where at least I know I'm free. And I wont forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.

And I gladly stand up, next to you and defend her still today. ' Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land, God bless the USA.

and I'm extremely patriotic

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Good for you.:)
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#55 lilasianwonder
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Yes.
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I'm proud of the principles and ideals that this country was founded on, and if you try to take away my rights I will fight you to the death over it.

I'm proud of who I am, the person I've become, the kind of things that I think and believe, and I may never have had the opportunity to becom who I am today if I had been born elsewhere.

I hate a significant portion of the population of this country, because they either don't know anything, don't care about anything, are too lazy to learn anything, etc.

I dislike the government that is slowly taking advantage of those people that I hate to corrupt what the founding fathers risked their lives to build.

Yes, I'm proud to be an American, though I'm not about to start shouting how great we are from the rooftops. We're far from perfect, and I think the opinions of the rest of the world reflect that. I'm ashamed of most other americans, because they are turning the country into the perfect breeding ground for a corrupt government. That being said, I'm proud to be American because of what the country (theoretically) stands for, and I'll always be proud.

To quote Mark Twain: "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when they deserve it."

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This topic reminds me of an article I read not too long ago. I don't know if I totally agree with it, but a part of me really does:

One hears much admiration from politicians of the American "national character," by which seems to be meant the aggregate of prevailing values of the majority of the population. I gather that Americans tend to regard their national character as comprising such things as freedom, independence, individualism, and self-reliance. One thinks of Daniel Boone or Marlboro Man.


In fact we no longer have these qualities and probably never will again. Generally we now embody their opposites. Modern society has become a hive of largely conformist, closely regulated and generally helpless employees who depend on others for nearly everything. The cause is less anything particularly American than the technology that governs our lives. The United States just moves faster in the direction in which the civilized world moves.


Character springs from conditions. Consider a farmer in, say, North Carolina in 1850. He was free because there was little government, self-reliant because what he couldn't do for himself didn't get done, independent because, apart from a few tools, he made or grew all he needed, and an individualist because, there being little outside authority, he could do as he pleased.


All of that is gone, and will not return. Freedom has given way to an infinite array of laws, rules, regulations, licenses, forms, requirements. Many make sense, may even be desirable in a complex world, don't necessarily make for a bad life, but they cannot be called freedom. Various governments determine what our children learn, whether we can paint the shutters, who we must sell our houses to, who we can hire, what we can say if we want to keep our jobs, where we can park, and whether and how we can build an outbuilding.


People who live infinitely controlled lives become accustomed to such control. Obedience becomes natural. And so it has.

Although we speak of democracy, in fact we have little influence over the circumstances of our lives. All matters of importance—what values our children are taught, for example--are determined by remote bodies over which we have no power. When jurisdictions are large, the effort needed to change things that powerful lobbies do not want changed is prohibitive. And of course we vote for candidates, not for policies. Once elected, they do as they please.


Individualism has withered under the pressure of the mass media and a distaste for eccentricity. Self-reliance died long ago. We depend on others to repair our cars, grow our food, fix the refrigerator, and write our operating systems. The habit of reliance on others has reached the point that even the right of self-defense has come to be regarded as wrong-minded.


The gain is that these things are usually done better than we could do them ourselves. The loss is that we are utterly dependent on others. As things become more technologically complex, the reliance on specialists grows. Almost anyone could learn to repair a flathead Ford, but today's Corolla is vulnerable only to a trained technician. Of course it's a better car.


Most poignantly, we are become a nation of employees, fearful of losing our jobs. Prisoners of the retirement system, afraid of transgressing against the various governing bodies before whom we are helpless, unable to feed ourselves, we are at least comfortable. We are not masters of our lives.


Dense populations and the complexity of machines and institutions lead inevitably to regulation, which leads to acceptance of regulation and therefore of authority, which becomes part of the national character. This we see. In my lifetime the change has been great. In rural Virginia in the Sixties, you could walk down the road with your rifle to shoot beer cans, swim in the creeks without supervision and life guards and "flotation devices" approved by the Coast Guard, and generally be left alone. Now, no. Regimentation has grown like kudzu. We obey. The new generation knows nothing else..


At the moment we see a great increase in regulation in the guise of preventing terrorism. Other pretexts could have been found and, I suspect, would have been: fighting crime or the war on drugs or something. The result might have been a drift rather than a headlong rush toward control. But sooner or later, technology determines politics. The computer, not the Constitution, is primary.


I suspect that the concern about terrorism is just a particular manifestation of a growing obsession with safety. Not too long ago, Americans were a hardy breed—foolhardy at times, but the one comes with the other. Now we see attempts to eliminate all risk everywhere. Cities fill in the deep ends of swimming pools and remove diving boards. We require that bicyclists wear helmets, fear second-hand smoke and the violence that is dodge ball. Warnings abound against going outside without sun block. To anyone who grew up in the Sixties or before, the new fearfulness is incomprehensible.


The explanation I think is the feminization of society, which seems to be inseparable from modernity. The nature of masculinity is to prize freedom over security; of femininity, security over freedom. Add that the American character of today powerfully favors regulation by the group in prefe4rence to individual choice. Note that we do not require that cars be equipped with seat belts and then let individuals decide whether to use them; we enforce their use. The result is compulsory Mommyism, very much a part of today's America.


Does technological civilization inevitably lead to totalitarianism? Certainly the general fear, in combination with technology, makes a sort of soft Stalinism easy. Just now we move toward national ID cards, smuggled in by linking records of drivers' licenses. Passports, scanned and linked to data bases, provide a record of our travels. Security cameras proliferate. Some of them read the license plates of all passing cars. Email can be monitored, phones easily and undetectably tapped. Now the government is experimenting with X-ray scanners for airports that provide near-pornographic images of passengers. Whether these will be used for dictatorial ends remains to be seen. Historians may one day note that surveillance, when possible, is inevitable.


What then is the national character today? I think we are first an obedient people. We submit. We are comfortable with authority, and seem to be most comfortable when we are told what to do. We prize security, safety, and predictability. Increasingly we accept being treated like convicts at airports and elsewhere. We want to be taken care of. We can do few things for ourselves. We expect government to decide much that was once regarded as outside of government's ambit. And we are to the marrow of our bones incapable of rising against the creeping tyranny. So much for Marlboro Man.

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[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free!!! gobo212
I hope this is irony.

I hope you know that is from a song. Anyway, I wasn't proud for a long time, but it has gotten better, since, oh, I don't know... November 5th?
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#59 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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lol. That song was what first occurred to me. lulz
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I'm proud to be Australian.
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I'm proud to be British.
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#62 yokofox33
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Hell yeah. I love America.
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#63 awesomeray
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yes i am only not so much since november 5th:?

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I'm English but I can't say I'm especially proud of that.
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I'm English but I can't say I'm especially proud of that.Floppy_Jim
What an unAmerican thing to say :evil:
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#66 devildogcollier
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USA all the way....OOHRAH !!!!!!!!
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#67 warbmxjohn
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*Marlboro man article*xXBuffJeffXx
Damn good read. That article was some nice food for thought..
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#68 elfimis
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.I wouldnt say that im proud, but i am def. glad.
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#69 clembo1990
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You should be proud to be yourself, not relying on **** other people did.
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#70 hokies1313
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I'm very proud to be an American.
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#71 LosDaddie
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Like my sig says, I am a Proud American. :)

Obama being elected gaveme a nice boost of patriotism too.

Character springs from conditions. Consider a farmer in, say, North Carolina in 1850. He was free because there was little government, self-reliant because what he couldn't do for himself didn't get done, independent because, apart from a few tools, he made or grew all he needed, and an individualist because, there being little outside authority, he could do as he pleased.


All of that is gone, and will not return. xXBuffJeffXx

well gee....I wonder why that article didn't include an example of a minority living in NC inthe 1850s and talk about his freedoms from then 'til now....

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well gee....I wonder why that article didn't include an example of a minority living in NC inthe 1850s and talk about his freedoms from then 'til now....

LosDaddie
lol... ah, yes. The "good, moral old times" argument. Always funny.
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#73 RenegadePatriot
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Yes I am proud to be an American.
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#74 LosDaddie
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

well gee....I wonder why that article didn't include an example of a minority living in NC inthe 1850s and talk about his freedoms from then 'til now....

Engrish_Major

lol... ah, yes. The "good, moral old times" argument. Always funny.

Yeah, it's just like O'Reilly says; "Traditional" America with "traditional" American values/morals was when America was at her best. Certainly not today.

Did you read this nice little nugget from that article:

The explanation I think is the feminization of society, which seems to be inseparable from modernity. The nature of masculinity is to prize freedom over security; of femininity, security over freedom. Add that the American character of today powerfully favors regulation by the group in prefe4rence to individual choice. Note that we do not require that cars be equipped with seat belts and then let individuals decide whether to use them; we enforce their use. The result is compulsory Mommyism, very much a part of today's America.xXBuffJeffXx

It's all the feminists fault for the "decline" of American society. Our country was better off when women stayed at home and couldn't vote.

I mean, just come out and say it's all the Liberals fault. I could respect the author more if he just said what he really wanted to and not use coded language.

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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

well gee....I wonder why that article didn't include an example of a minority living in NC inthe 1850s and talk about his freedoms from then 'til now....

Engrish_Major
lol... ah, yes. The "good, moral old times" argument. Always funny.

The point of the article from my perspective was the specific illustration of our loss of freedoms and the transition that America has gone through regarding that freedom and independent nature that was once what being American was all about.. At what point does that article glorify the good ol moral times? That was not the point of that article, and there was no need to elaborate on every single historical essence of America, when the main point is all the article had a goal of expressing. The land of the free and the home of the brave isn't exactly the most fitting description of this nation any longer..
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I'm proud to be British and European...which actually makes sense.
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

well gee....I wonder why that article didn't include an example of a minority living in NC inthe 1850s and talk about his freedoms from then 'til now....

warbmxjohn
lol... ah, yes. The "good, moral old times" argument. Always funny.

The point of the article from my perspective was the specific illustration of our loss of freedoms and the transition that America has gone through regarding that freedom and independent nature that was once what being American was all about.. At what point does that article glorify the good ol moral times? That was not the point of that article, and there was no need to elaborate on every single historical essence of America, when the main point is all the article had a goal of expressing. The land of the free and the home of the brave isn't exactly the most fitting description of this nation any longer..

There is no such thing as "true" freedom. We all give up some freedoms in order to try to achieve the best balance of security and the ability to pursue true happiness. Government regulations are there to balance corporate power, believe it or not.
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Sure am. Now if I wasn't so fat, stupid, and arrogant....
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The land of the free and the home of the brave isn't exactly the most fitting description of this nation any longer.. warbmxjohn

That depends on your perspective. Which wasthe whole point of my response to that article. :)

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"] lol... ah, yes. The "good, moral old times" argument. Always funny.LosDaddie

Yeah, it's just like O'Reilly says; "Traditional" America with "traditional" American values/morals was when America was at her best. Certainly not today.

Did you read this nice little nugget from that article:

The explanation I think is the feminization of society, which seems to be inseparable from modernity. The nature of masculinity is to prize freedom over security; of femininity, security over freedom. Add that the American character of today powerfully favors regulation by the group in prefe4rence to individual choice. Note that we do not require that cars be equipped with seat belts and then let individuals decide whether to use them; we enforce their use. The result is compulsory Mommyism, very much a part of today's America.xXBuffJeffXx

It's all the feminists fault for the "decline" of American society. Our country was better off when women stayed at home and couldn't vote.

I mean, just come out and say it's all the Liberals fault. I could respect the author more if they just said what he really wanted to and not use coded language.

I disagree with your take on the article, If you read further the feminization of society remark is in reference to the authors views on society preferring either security (feminine) or freedom (masculine).. At least thats my perception. I am a liberal democrat (if I had to be classified) so Im not defending this coded veil you speak of.. I just don't see it.
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="warbmxjohn"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] lol... ah, yes. The "good, moral old times" argument. Always funny.

The point of the article from my perspective was the specific illustration of our loss of freedoms and the transition that America has gone through regarding that freedom and independent nature that was once what being American was all about.. At what point does that article glorify the good ol moral times? That was not the point of that article, and there was no need to elaborate on every single historical essence of America, when the main point is all the article had a goal of expressing. The land of the free and the home of the brave isn't exactly the most fitting description of this nation any longer..

There is no such thing as "true" freedom. We all give up some freedoms in order to try to achieve the best balance of security and the ability to pursue true happiness. Government regulations are there to balance corporate power, believe it or not.

I understand that freedom is all about perspective and will always be subjective depending on the eye of the beholder.. Im not saying America has not grown for the better whilst losing some freedoms, Im only trying to assert that this nation doesn't exactly embody the character it was built upon any longer. I am not trying to imply that its better or worse, just different.
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I understand that freedom is all about perspective and will always be subjective depending on the eye of the beholder.. Im not saying America has not grown for the better whilst losing some freedoms, Im only trying to assert that this nation doesn't exactly embody the character it was built upon any longer. I am not trying to imply that its better or worse, just different.warbmxjohn
Of course it is different. The "character it was built upon" was before the industrial revolution. We are extremely lucky that our founding fathers had the ingenious foresight to allow us to change the very constitution that they wrote in order to adapt to a changing world. Otherwise, we probably wouldn't have any freedoms at all.
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Yeah.

I could have been born in China or North Korea or India...

I like being an American and I wish more American's would understand how damn good we have it compared to others.

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I disagree with your take on the article, If you read further the feminization of society remark is in reference to the authors views on society preferring either security (feminine) or freedom (masculine).. At least thats my perception. I am a liberal democrat (if I had to be classified) so Im not defending this coded veil you speak of.. I just don't see it.warbmxjohn

That's just the conservative interpretation of feminism. I see the Feminist Movement as a fight for FREEDOM, not security.

But there has been a concerted campaign from conservatives/Repubs to demonize the words "feminist" and (most importantly) "liberal". I see this article as part of that campaign

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#85 JC346
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No. I want to move to Canada. :(
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I wouldn't be proud to be an enslaving, mass murdering, corporate empire. Why are you?
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im both American and Canadian and im a prouder Canadian
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[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]I disagree with your take on the article, If you read further the feminization of society remark is in reference to the authors views on society preferring either security (feminine) or freedom (masculine).. At least thats my perception. I am a liberal democrat (if I had to be classified) so Im not defending this coded veil you speak of.. I just don't see it.LosDaddie

That's just the conservative interpretation of feminism. I see the Feminist Movement as a fight for FREEDOM, not security.

But there has been a concerted campaign from conservatives/Repubs to demonize the words "feminist" and (most importantly) "liberal". I see this article as part of that campaign

For some reason I don't think the feminization remark was in reference to the feminist political movement, but rather the nature of femininity and that desire in life generally speaking to hold a high priority on security, whereas masculinity by nature prioritizes on freedom over security.. I also see the feminist movement being about freedom, I imagine thats the general consensus which is why I am lead to believe the feminization remark was pertaining to femininity not feminism. Makes more sense to me considering the context.
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Sure, I guess. People complain a lot about living here but we're in better shape than a lot of countries out there...
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#90 mithrixx
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You know, all who said that they were not proud to be American should be proud that they can say it and not be afraid that someone from the government will come and hunt you down.

I came from a country where you and your family would be hunted down and killed or maybe taken away if you ever dare to say something bad about your president or your country. I know a friend of mine who lost a brother just because he said something that could be interpreted as an insult to the president. His mom is about to die, and no one knows where that brother is. I am very glad I am outta there now.

If you don't feel proud, please think twice. A country that allows you to say that should be loved. Trust me.

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#91 Mikey132
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Sure, I guess. People complain a lot about living here but we're in better shape than a lot of countries out there...Aquat1cF1sh

Yeah, because you ruined most of them!

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#92 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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You know, all who said that they were not proud to be American should be proud that they can say it and not be afraid that someone from the government will come and hunt you down.

I came from a country where you and your family would be hunted down and killed or maybe taken away if you ever dare to say something bad about your president or your country. I know a friend of mine who lost a brother just because he said something that could be interpreted as an insult to the president. His mom is about to die, and no one knows where that brother is. I am very glad I am outta there now.

If you don't feel proud, please think twice. A country that allows you to say that should be loved. Trust me.

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What country did you come from?
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#93 FragStains
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[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Sure, I guess. People complain a lot about living here but we're in better shape than a lot of countries out there...Mikey132

Yeah, because you ruined most of them!

Really? How did Aquat1cF1sh ruin most countries? Don't confuse US government's foreign policy with the will of the citizens of the US. I agree, though. We should take back the billions of dollars in aid we send out.
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#94 Sajo7
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I wouldn't be proud to be an enslaving, mass murdering, corporate empire. Why are you?Mikey132
Come now, back in the day all the cool countries were doing enslaving and mass murdering.
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#95 LosDaddie
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]I disagree with your take on the article, If you read further the feminization of society remark is in reference to the authors views on society preferring either security (feminine) or freedom (masculine).. At least thats my perception. I am a liberal democrat (if I had to be classified) so Im not defending this coded veil you speak of.. I just don't see it.warbmxjohn

That's just the conservative interpretation of feminism. I see the Feminist Movement as a fight for FREEDOM, not security.

But there has been a concerted campaign from conservatives/Repubs to demonize the words "feminist" and (most importantly) "liberal". I see this article as part of that campaign

For some reason I don't think the feminization remark was in reference to the feminist political movement, but rather the nature of femininity and that desire in life generally speaking to hold a high priority on security, whereas masculinity by nature prioritizes on freedom over security.. I also see the feminist movement being about freedom, I imagine thats the general consensus which is why I am lead to believe the feminization remark was pertaining to femininity not feminism. Makes more sense to me considering the context.

I've just read/heard/watched enough right-wing garbage to know it when I read/see/hear it, and that article is definitely "it".

I'm not saying the article is 100% wrong, Just that (IMO)there is a clear agenda behind that article:

  • Govt = Evil
  • Old America = Good
  • New America = Evil
  • Feminism = Evil
  • Traditional American Values = Good
  • Media = Evil
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#96 11Marcel
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A common misconception is that a constitution gives you freedom. As a matter of fact, you're naturally free, and have natural rights. All american law does is trying to limit those rights by consent. Once you choose not to consent, and know how to, you're perfectly free. Sadly, you're being employed to the corporation of america with your birth certificate. Or you could see that as a good thing of course.

The same goes for every country. The only breach of freedom would be by force.

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#97 Engrish_Major
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A common misconception is that a constitution gives you freedom. As a matter of fact, you're naturally free, and have natural rights. All american law does is trying to limit those rights by consent. Once you choose not to consent, and know how to, you're perfectly free. Sadly, you're being employed to the corporation of america with your birth certificate. Or you could see that as a good thing of course.

The same goes for every country. The only breach of freedom would be by force.

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#98 darkmistx
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[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Sure, I guess. People complain a lot about living here but we're in better shape than a lot of countries out there...Mikey132

Yeah, because you ruined most of them!

That quite far off the truth. Let's not exaggerate here.

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#99 -TheSecondSign-
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My life is my God and my country.

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#100 Mikey132
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[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Sure, I guess. People complain a lot about living here but we're in better shape than a lot of countries out there...darkmistx

Yeah, because you ruined most of them!

That quite far off the truth. Let's not exaggerate here.

K sorry. Half of them.