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#51 TheChosenTurkey
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Just in case this story is true: I hope I never encounter you, because God forbid I should accidentally nudge you and get a hair on your new coat, you'd probably beat me with a tire iron. If this story were actually true and you genuinely don't think you over-reacted then I don't even know what to say...bobbetybob

Don't be ridiculous. If you accidentally nudged me I wouldn't do anything because it was an accident. Same with hair on coats.

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#52 tocklestein2005
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you have problems.

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[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]Just in case this story is true: I hope I never encounter you, because God forbid I should accidentally nudge you and get a hair on your new coat, you'd probably beat me with a tire iron. If this story were actually true and you genuinely don't think you over-reacted then I don't even know what to say...TheChosenTurkey

Don't be ridiculous. If you accidentally nudged me I wouldn't do anything because it was an accident. Same with hair on coats.

In your OP, you say the child slipped on a mop and had to break his fall. Usually, slipping is an accidental occurrence and you'd have a reflex reaction that's involuntary for the most part to hold onto something to stop you falling. Yet, this child was blameworthy?

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#54 TheChosenTurkey
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[QUOTE="TheChosenTurkey"]

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]Just in case this story is true: I hope I never encounter you, because God forbid I should accidentally nudge you and get a hair on your new coat, you'd probably beat me with a tire iron. If this story were actually true and you genuinely don't think you over-reacted then I don't even know what to say...T_P_O

Don't be ridiculous. If you accidentally nudged me I wouldn't do anything because it was an accident. Same with hair on coats.

In your OP, you say the child slipped on a mop and had to break his fall. Usually, slipping is an accidental occurrence and you'd have a reflex reaction that's involuntary for the most part to hold onto something to stop you falling. Yet, this child was blameworthy?

He didn't have to grab onto the car.

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#55 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

[QUOTE="TheChosenTurkey"]

Don't be ridiculous. If you accidentally nudged me I wouldn't do anything because it was an accident. Same with hair on coats.

TheChosenTurkey

In your OP, you say the child slipped on a mop and had to break his fall. Usually, slipping is an accidental occurrence and you'd have a reflex reaction that's involuntary for the most part to hold onto something to stop you falling. Yet, this child was blameworthy?

He didn't have to grab onto the car.

Not everyone - especially a little kid - can think about what to do when he needs to break his fall. It's a very fast event that leaves little room for thinking.

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#56 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

[QUOTE="TheChosenTurkey"]

Don't be ridiculous. If you accidentally nudged me I wouldn't do anything because it was an accident. Same with hair on coats.

TheChosenTurkey

In your OP, you say the child slipped on a mop and had to break his fall. Usually, slipping is an accidental occurrence and you'd have a reflex reaction that's involuntary for the most part to hold onto something to stop you falling. Yet, this child was blameworthy?

He didn't have to grab onto the car.

I think my last sentence was more to do with his intention to grab onto your car, since I don't know the circumstances for myself, it's possible that the grabbing onto the car was an involuntary reaction to having slipped. To stop the fall. Now, I don't know about you, but I'd not consider someone at fault for doing something involuntarily - they can't exactly stop it. Of course, that's only a possibility, but also: "But this rebel, gets the idea to grab onto my car to stop his fall onto my box of nails." Can I enquire further on this part, about the box of nails?
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#57 TheChosenTurkey
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Sorry man, don't know how to quote you without going over the 5 limit.

If he wasn't doing his smug "happy go lucky" I'm a little child walk, he would have noticed the mop on the floor. I took the inititive to pick up the polish, shouldn't he watch where he's going? He didn't need to fall.

The box of nails is a box of nails. What do you want to enquire about?

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#58 ghoklebutter
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Sorry man, don't know how to quote you without going over the 5 limit.

If he wasn't doing his smug "happy go lucky" I'm a little child walk, he would have noticed the mop on the floor. I took the inititive to pick up the polish, shouldn't he watch where he's going? He didn't need to fall.

The box of nails is a box of nails. What do you want to enquire about?

TheChosenTurkey
You must understand that you are an adult and that the child is a child: children are usually careless, accident prone and irresponsible. I'm sorry to hear about your car, but seriously, you should have let him go. It would be better had you just given him stern warning to pay attention.
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#59 Silverbond
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Oh wow... a whole hand print :|aaronmullan

Handprints are srs bzns.

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#60 dunl12496
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Yeah you shouldn't have done that but a little yelling might have worked...

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#61 T_P_O
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Sorry man, don't know how to quote you without going over the 5 limit.

If he wasn't doing his smug "happy go lucky" I'm a little child walk, he would have noticed the mop on the floor. I took the inititive to pick up the polish, shouldn't he watch where he's going? He didn't need to fall.

The box of nails is a box of nails. What do you want to enquire about?

TheChosenTurkey
It's alright, I'll be able to respond to you either way. :P Are you bringing up the suggestion that he was walking recklessly around the car where it was possible that he would fall? If so, then I'll take that into consideration. Still, I don't think it was his want to fall, so that doesn't seem relevant, it doesn't factor into his blameworthiness. The circumstances in which he fell however, may indicate responsibility on his behalf. Also, what he did during the fall (grab onto your car) from the slip could be important, if he did it involuntarily that is. Which is also why I'm trying to get information about the nails. Well, position, foreseeable dangerousness if someone were to fall on it, etc. I'm trying to evaluate the level of fault that the child possess (for myself anyway) based on what I'm learning from our exchanges.
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#62 argetlam00
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Stop complaining, you should be lucky to be alive. There are many parents who would have murdered you if your story is true, which it isn't. Infact, I don't even see anything the child has done wrong. He accidently tripped and tried to save himself from landing on nails. If he was my kid, I would have hammered those nails in your eyelids.

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#63 TheChosenTurkey
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You must understand that you are an adult and that the child is a child: children are usually careless, accident prone and irresponsible. I'm sorry to hear about your car, but seriously, you should have let him go. It would be better had you just given him stern warning to pay attention.ghoklebutter
Usually. Which is my point, kids these days shouldn't be careless. Some do. All should.

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#64 warownslife
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I came into this topic expecting an argument. Instead i get a hilarious story.

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#65 Iceozo
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Awful lot of facepalms in here.

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#66 TheChosenTurkey
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Stop complaining, you should be lucky to be alive. There are many parents who would have murdered you if your story is true, which it isn't. Infact, I don't even see anything the child has done wrong. He accidently tripped and tried to save himself from landing on nails. If he was my kid, I would have hammered those nails in your eyelids.

argetlam00

Argh. I'm sick of people saying this. You either believe it or you don't. Why do you claim to not believe and then go on defending the brat?
It's alright, I'll be able to respond to you either way. :P Are you bringing up the suggestion that he was walking recklessly around the car where it was possible that he would fall? If so, then I'll take that into consideration. Still, I don't think it was his want to fall, so that doesn't seem relevant, it doesn't factor into his blameworthiness. The circumstances in which he fell however, may indicate responsibility on his behalf. Also, what he did during the fall (grab onto your car) from the slip could be important, if he did it involuntarily that is. Which is also why I'm trying to get information about the nails. Well, position, foreseeable dangerousness if someone were to fall on it, etc. I'm trying to evaluate the level of fault that the child possess (for myself anyway) based on what I'm learning from our exchanges.T_P_O
Go on defending the rebel. You're not going to change my mind. What I did was right and if everyone did this we would see a much more brighter future.

However, I am curious about your evalutaion.

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#67 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]You must understand that you are an adult and that the child is a child: children are usually careless, accident prone and irresponsible. I'm sorry to hear about your car, but seriously, you should have let him go. It would be better had you just given him stern warning to pay attention.TheChosenTurkey

Usually. Which is my point, kids these days shouldn't be careless. Some do. All should.

I definitely agree. However, in addition to teaching kids to be more careful and responsible, we also should accept the fact that they are usually careless and irresponsible by nature. We have to expect these things. It's a tough world indeed. :P
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#68 argetlam00
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Argh. I'm sick of people saying this. You either believe it or you don't. Why do you claim to not believe and then go on defending the brat?

TheChosenTurkey

I doubt your story is true because if that child had his parents with him, like I said, you would be lucky to be alive.

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#69 warownslife
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This story is so fake.:)

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#70 T_P_O
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Go on defending the rebel. You're not going to change my mind. What I did was right and if everyone did this we would see a much more brighter future.

However, I am curious about your evalutaion.TheChosenTurkey

I'm only bringing up possibilities, I've said that I didn't see first hand what happened, so I'm relying on you to tell me facts of the case (which I cannot find in the OP, obviously). Not your value-judgement of the outcome.

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[QUOTE="TheChosenTurkey"]Hey guys. I know this looks like a rant but I need to talk about this huge problem. Little Kids. Don't you just hate them? I mean, I know I used to be one but come on! They're out of control! They won't listen to reason at all! I blame the parents, just today one argued with me because I taught their kid a lesson in behavior. I was out in the driveway polishing my brand new car. This car was beautiful, got it cheap too. I notice a couple walking down the path talking. They looked like decent people, kinda wished I got to know them. So I go to spray more polish when I hear a sound. I look back up and just as if it was in slow motion, I see a toddler emerge from behind them. Holy crap. I was litterally shaking at the sight. The kid scared me to tears. I quickly look back at my car, trying to distract my mind from the "thing" walking towards us. I hear laughter from the couple, joined by the high pitched squeal laugh of the kid. He must have done something "cute". Blargh. I decide nothing good will come out of this so I grab the polish and head to my door. I pass the little kid and we exchanged glances. That's how I saw it. The little punk slips on one of my mops. My MOP! Now, I'm a forgiving person so I would have let that slide. But this rebel, gets the idea to grab onto my car to stop his fall onto my box of nails. Yeah, that's right, my CAR! His hand slides down the front door like a banana thrown into an ice rink. He just dodged my bucket, good thing to, I don't know what I would have done if he broke one of my nails. I hear him say something. Sorry? Ouchy? I don't know but I wasn't listening. All I could see was that disgusting hand print on my red metallic door. I don't know what happened, whether it was the hand print, pitiful excuses coming from his mouth or the parents doing nothing at ALL about the problem but I took matters into my own hand. I spray polish in the kids puny eyes and kick him square in the chest. He was light as feathers, I was actually quite impressed with myself when I saw him launch 10 meters away but that wasn't far enough to stop me from getting to him. It took 3 men to pull me off of him, guess they couldn't handle the annoying noise of the squirms. I stand up, ready for people to praise me for my work. I see the police drive around the corner and smirk. Finally I thought! They have the balls to take wannabe punks like this away! To my complete surprise they ended up arresting me! ME! I was astonished, I still can't believe it. I looked at the kid laying on the ground and was in shock! They actually wasted ambulance assistance on him. Argh, whats with people these days. Anyway, anyone ever experience this problem?PerfectCircles
Eh I didn't find that funny, you tried too hard :)

Agreed, amazed at how may reponded as if there was even an ounce of truth in it.
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#72 argetlam00
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Also, if your story is true, why are you out of jail? Your actions should have locked you up in a cell for quite a while... Not only that, there could have been a case that you tried to cause severe bodly harm to the child with those nails.

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#73 warownslife
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Also, if your story is true, why are you out of jail? Your actions should have locked you up in a cell for quite a while...

argetlam00

Its fake.

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#74 TheChosenTurkey
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[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Also, if your story is true, why are you out of jail? Your actions should have locked you up in a cell for quite a while...

warownslife

Its fake.

What? So if the kid tripped and cracked his head on my car (God forbid, a hand print was work enough) I would be jailed for sever bodily harm? Ridiculous.

Also, if you want to feel like you've "craked da codez", be my guest.

Oh and I'd be glad to provide the facts.

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#75 argetlam00
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[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Also, if your story is true, why are you out of jail? Your actions should have locked you up in a cell for quite a while...

TheChosenTurkey

Its fake.

What? So if the kid tripped and cracked his head on my car (God forbid, a hand print was work enough) I would be jailed for sever bodily harm? Ridiculous. Also, if you want to feel like you've "craked da codez", then be my guest.

Yes you would be, not only is it your property, but it is your fault the child tripped. Don't try to blame it on the child for they are basically never at fault under the law. Honestly, if this was a court room, your first post would do nothing but add to the years you would spend in jail.

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#76 TheChosenTurkey
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[QUOTE="TheChosenTurkey"][QUOTE="warownslife"]Its fake.

argetlam00

What? So if the kid tripped and cracked his head on my car (God forbid, a hand print was work enough) I would be jailed for sever bodily harm? Ridiculous. Also, if you want to feel like you've "craked da codez", then be my guest.

Yes you would be, not only is it your property, but it is your fault the child tripped. Don't try to blame it on the child for they are basically never at fault under the law.

WHAT? That's unreal! So not only do these spoilt brats act like chumps, they can damage my property and sue me with a get out of jail free card? Unbelievable!
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#77 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Also, if your story is true, why are you out of jail? Your actions should have locked you up in a cell for quite a while...

TheChosenTurkey

Its fake.

What? So if the kid tripped and cracked his head on my car (God forbid, a hand print was work enough) I would be jailed for sever bodily harm? Ridiculous. Also, if you want to feel like you've "craked da codez", then be my guest.

If the kid tripped and hit his head without your input, you can't have committed a criminal offence like actual bodily harm (could've owed a duty of care though, resulting in negligence, that's another matter though). However, in your story, you say you a) applied unlawful force to the child and b) that you had the intention to apply unlawful force. You'd be charged with common assault and probably found guilty in my legal system if they decided to take it that far.
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#78 argetlam00
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[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="TheChosenTurkey"] What? So if the kid tripped and cracked his head on my car (God forbid, a hand print was work enough) I would be jailed for sever bodily harm? Ridiculous. Also, if you want to feel like you've "craked da codez", then be my guest.TheChosenTurkey

Yes you would be, not only is it your property, but it is your fault the child tripped. Don't try to blame it on the child for they are basically never at fault under the law.

WHAT? That's unreal! So not only do these spoilt brats act like chumps, they can damage my property and sue me with a get out of jail free card? Unbelievable!

Yes they can. Welcome to the real world. The child tripped over YOUR objects, which could easily be argued that were put in unsafe positions and was almost killed (not to mention the reaction people would have when you tell them you were only worried about him breakig your box of nails instead of his safety). Not only that, but your assault on the child afterwards only strengths the case,

See if this was a true case (which it isn't), you would be probably one of those criminals being beaten up in jail by other inmates.

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#79 TheChosenTurkey
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Yes they can. Welcome to the real world. The child tripped over YOUR objects, which could easily be argued that were put in unsafe positions and was almost killed. Not only that, but your assault on the child afterwards only strengths the case.argetlam00

Absolutely unbelievable. Real world? Ha! Worlds controlled/in the favor of children is definitely not the real world.

You support this? If I sent my son (No I don't have one) to your house and had him trip over your unsafe positioned shoe, you would just shrug it off and think "Ah, it's the real world."

...

@ V Because a serious discussion was suppose to be funny. :/

And again, if you don't believe (Argh...) then why argue/debate?

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#80 warownslife
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Ok it was funny at the beggining but now your just making me angry.

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#81 argetlam00
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[QUOTE="argetlam00"]Yes they can. Welcome to the real world. The child tripped over YOUR objects, which could easily be argued that were put in unsafe positions and was almost killed. Not only that, but your assault on the child afterwards only strengths the case.TheChosenTurkey
Absolutely unbelievable. Real world? Ha! Worlds controlled/in the favor of children is definitely not the real world. You support this? If I sent my son (No I don't have one) to your house and had him trip over your unsafe positioned shoe, you would just shrug it off and think "Ah, it's the real world." ...

I'm speechless, I'm sorry. Just...Oh wow...I'm done here. I truly am afraid for anyone you meet who even looks at you the wrong way on the street.

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#82 ex-mortis
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[QUOTE="argetlam00"]Yes they can. Welcome to the real world. The child tripped over YOUR objects, which could easily be argued that were put in unsafe positions and was almost killed. Not only that, but your assault on the child afterwards only strengths the case.TheChosenTurkey
Absolutely unbelievable. Real world? Ha! Worlds controlled/in the favor of children is definitely not the real world. You support this? If I sent my son (No I don't have one) to your house and had him trip over your unsafe positioned shoe, you would just shrug it off and think "Ah, it's the real world." ...

You need to calm down. Error is an inevitable part of everyone's life. When a child errs, they are corrected and told what they did wrong. They are not physically beaten and screamed at. If this were a common occurrence, the child would likely grow up to become a very angry person who beats their children for doing honest mistakes as well.

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#83 TheChosenTurkey
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[QUOTE="TheChosenTurkey"][QUOTE="argetlam00"]Yes they can. Welcome to the real world. The child tripped over YOUR objects, which could easily be argued that were put in unsafe positions and was almost killed. Not only that, but your assault on the child afterwards only strengths the case.ex-mortis

Absolutely unbelievable. Real world? Ha! Worlds controlled/in the favor of children is definitely not the real world. You support this? If I sent my son (No I don't have one) to your house and had him trip over your unsafe positioned shoe, you would just shrug it off and think "Ah, it's the real world." ...

You need to calm down. Error is an inevitable part of everyone's life. When a child errs, they are corrected and told what they did wrong. They are not physically beaten and screamed at. If this were a common occurrence, the child would likely grow up to become a very angry person who beats their children for doing honest mistakes as well.

Why would anyone beat up a child for erring. I'm not suggesting a beat up for honest mistakes (See hair on coat) but sometimes you need to punch some common sense back into someone.

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#84 MrBubbles59
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Am i a bad person for laughing at that story?

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#85 warownslife
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Am i a bad person for laughing at that story?

MrBubbles59

Nope but you are if you think its real.

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#86 SaPhIrX_lOl
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Wait, wait. You KICKED him? That's not cool.

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#87 MrBubbles59
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[QUOTE="MrBubbles59"]

Am i a bad person for laughing at that story?

warownslife

Nope but you are if you think its real.

Nah i figured that its fake lol.

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[QUOTE="TheChosenTurkey"] Absolutely unbelievable. Real world? Ha! Worlds controlled/in the favor of children is definitely not the real world. You support this? If I sent my son (No I don't have one) to your house and had him trip over your unsafe positioned shoe, you would just shrug it off and think "Ah, it's the real world." ... TheChosenTurkey

You need to calm down. Error is an inevitable part of everyone's life. When a child errs, they are corrected and told what they did wrong. They are not physically beaten and screamed at. If this were a common occurrence, the child would likely grow up to become a very angry person who beats their children for doing honest mistakes as well.

Why would anyone beat up a child for erring. I'm not suggesting a beat up for honest mistakes (See hair on coat) but sometimes you need to punch some common sense back into someone.

He accidentally slipped and hit your car. That's an honest mistake. He was only a little child, he could not immediately percieve the dangers present (wet mop for instance). I assure you he was not trying to destroy your car. If he was, then I could understand your anger, but I couldn't condone kicking him square in the chest. If you must, then hit him lightly, but hard enough so he gets the message.

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#89 TheChosenTurkey
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You need to calm down. Error is an inevitable part of everyone's life. When a child errs, they are corrected and told what they did wrong. They are not physically beaten and screamed at. If this were a common occurrence, the child would likely grow up to become a very angry person who beats their children for doing honest mistakes as well.

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Why would anyone beat up a child for erring. I'm not suggesting a beat up for honest mistakes (See hair on coat) but sometimes you need to punch some common sense back into someone.

He accidentally slipped and hit your car. That's an honest mistake. He was only a little child, he could not immediately percieve the dangers present (wet mop for instance). I assure you he was not trying to destroy your car. If he was, then I could understand your anger, but I couldn't condone kicking him square in the chest. If you must, then hit him lightly, but hard enough so he gets the message.

Fine, I understand that it was an accident. (That could have been easily avoided.) He could have, however, looked at where he was going and avoided the dangers present. (But responsibility yada yada.) I was also amazed when he flew that far. I'll attempt to kick them lightly enough for them to get the message, however, they are light.
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#90 ex-mortis
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[QUOTE="ex-mortis"]

[QUOTE="TheChosenTurkey"] Why would anyone beat up a child for erring. I'm not suggesting a beat up for honest mistakes (See hair on coat) but sometimes you need to punch some common sense back into someone.

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He accidentally slipped and hit your car. That's an honest mistake. He was only a little child, he could not immediately percieve the dangers present (wet mop for instance). I assure you he was not trying to destroy your car. If he was, then I could understand your anger, but I couldn't condone kicking him square in the chest. If you must, then hit him lightly, but hard enough so he gets the message.

Fine, I understand that it was an accident. (That could have been easily avoided.) He could have, however, looked at where he was going and avoided the dangers present. (But responsibility yada yada.) I was also amazed when he flew that far. I'll attempt to kick them lightly enough for them to get the message, however, they are light.

No doubt that is was an unpleasant experience for you and that had he been a little more perceptive this wouldn't have happened. The thing is he was just a little child and children are generally fools. They are also very apt to change and learn from their mistakes. I can assure you, next time the child is around someone else's property he will watch where he is going. The method through which he learned that was incorrect though. No one needed to get hurt.

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#91 GHlegend77
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Are you drunk?
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#92 TheChosenTurkey
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No doubt that is was an unpleasant experience for you and that had he been a little more perceptive this wouldn't have happened. The thing is he was just a little child and children are generally fools. They are also very apt to change and learn from their mistakes. I can assure you, next time the child is around someone else's property he will watch where he is going. The method through which he learned that was incorrect though. No one needed to get hurt.

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You make a good point. As I've said, I'll try too control my kicking force. Hopefully he wont have to go through this again and no, I'm not drunk. :/
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#93 pianist
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I think it's time this topic came to a close. There are better things to discuss than how and why one should go about kicking children.