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#1 AmazonTreeBoa

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This is great. http://downtrend.com/jrc410/army-vet-faces-down-thug-cop-intent-on-taking-away-his-gun/

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#2 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa

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While this article is clearly bias, it is the duty of a policeman to know the law throughout and the man was right.

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#3 LJS9502_basic Online

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Just because the state has open carry laws....doesn't mean there aren't restricted areas.

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#4 deactivated-59f03d6ce656b

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This is great. http://downtrend.com/jrc410/army-vet-faces-down-thug-cop-intent-on-taking-away-his-gun/

AmazonTreeBoa

Open carry is really dumb.

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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]
This is great. http://downtrend.com/jrc410/army-vet-faces-down-thug-cop-intent-on-taking-away-his-gun/

Person0

Open carry is really dumb.

Why is that? You are letting people aware that you have a gun.

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#6 LJS9502_basic Online

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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]
This is great. http://downtrend.com/jrc410/army-vet-faces-down-thug-cop-intent-on-taking-away-his-gun/

sherman-tank1

Open carry is really dumb.

Why is that? You are letting people aware that you have a gun.

I really don't think anyone needs to walk around with a gun out.....

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]
[QUOTE="Person0"] Open carry is really dumb.LJS9502_basic

Why is that? You are letting people aware that you have a gun.

I really don't think anyone needs to walk around with a gun out.....

Safety is more important than public norms.

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#8 deactivated-59f03d6ce656b

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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]
This is great. http://downtrend.com/jrc410/army-vet-faces-down-thug-cop-intent-on-taking-away-his-gun/

sherman-tank1

Open carry is really dumb.

Why is that? You are letting people aware that you have a gun.

Because it makes everything more tense. And it has no benefits over concealed carry.

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#9 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]
[QUOTE="Person0"] Open carry is really dumb.Person0

Why is that? You are letting people aware that you have a gun.

Because it makes everything more tense. And it has no benefits over concealed carry.

If I was a thug I wouldn't want to mess with a guy I know has a gun. It also allows people around the gun carrier to be ready in case well, you know.

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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zx_YUO4SzcY

Concealed carry>>>

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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Why is that? You are letting people aware that you have a gun.
sherman-tank1

Because it makes everything more tense. And it has no benefits over concealed carry.

If I was a thug I wouldn't want to mess with a guy I know has a gun. It also allows people around the gun carrier to be ready in case well, you know.

Or you would just kill/ disarm the open carry guy first. It also makes everyone around you uneasy, which happens every time compared to you most likely never needing to use it to defend yourself.

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#12 LJS9502_basic Online

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Why is that? You are letting people aware that you have a gun.
sherman-tank1

I really don't think anyone needs to walk around with a gun out.....

Safety is more important than public norms.

I think they'd be more of a target....

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#13 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]
[QUOTE="Person0"] Because it makes everything more tense. And it has no benefits over concealed carry.Person0

If I was a thug I wouldn't want to mess with a guy I know has a gun. It also allows people around the gun carrier to be ready in case well, you know.

Or you would just kill/ disarm the open carry guy first. It also makes everyone around you uneasy, which happens every time compared to you most likely never needing to use it to defend yourself.

Who gives a damn if people get uneasy? The few lives that are saved are more important than somebody's comfort. If people should be worried about anything it should be vehicles.

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#14 LJS9502_basic Online

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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]If I was a thug I wouldn't want to mess with a guy I know has a gun. It also allows people around the gun carrier to be ready in case well, you know.
sherman-tank1

Or you would just kill/ disarm the open carry guy first. It also makes everyone around you uneasy, which happens every time compared to you most likely never needing to use it to defend yourself.

Who gives a damn if people get uneasy? The few lives that are saved are more important than somebody's comfort. If people should be worried about anything it should be vehicles.

I really don't think we need to have open carry in the states.

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#15 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I really don't think anyone needs to walk around with a gun out.....LJS9502_basic

Safety is more important than public norms.

I think they'd be more of a target....

By who? If I was a trying to rob somebody I wouldn'tgo after the guy with the gun. As scummy as those people are they avoid violence if they can.

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#16 deactivated-59f03d6ce656b

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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]If I was a thug I wouldn't want to mess with a guy I know has a gun. It also allows people around the gun carrier to be ready in case well, you know.
sherman-tank1

Or you would just kill/ disarm the open carry guy first. It also makes everyone around you uneasy, which happens every time compared to you most likely never needing to use it to defend yourself.

Who gives a damn if people get uneasy? The few lives that are saved are more important than somebody's comfort. If people should be worried about anything it should be vehicles.

Then go conceal carry.

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#17 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]
[QUOTE="Person0"] Or you would just kill/ disarm the open carry guy first. It also makes everyone around you uneasy, which happens every time compared to you most likely never needing to use it to defend yourself.LJS9502_basic

Who gives a damn if people get uneasy? The few lives that are saved are more important than somebody's comfort. If people should be worried about anything it should be vehicles.

I really don't think we need to have open carry in the states.

Do we need it? No. But again it saves people from harm. How many open carriers do you see anyway? They aren't exactly rampant.

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#18 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]
[QUOTE="Person0"] Or you would just kill/ disarm the open carry guy first. It also makes everyone around you uneasy, which happens every time compared to you most likely never needing to use it to defend yourself.Person0

Who gives a damn if people get uneasy? The few lives that are saved are more important than somebody's comfort. If people should be worried about anything it should be vehicles.

Then go conceal carry.

Well if the assaulter isn't detered and attacks the carrier then somebody gets hurt either way. Open allows the situation to be avoided overall. I honestly don't see the big deal here. People aren't going to suffer from a little tension for half a minute once in a while.

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#19 AmazonTreeBoa

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]
[QUOTE="Person0"] Or you would just kill/ disarm the open carry guy first. It also makes everyone around you uneasy, which happens every time compared to you most likely never needing to use it to defend yourself.LJS9502_basic

Who gives a damn if people get uneasy? The few lives that are saved are more important than somebody's comfort. If people should be worried about anything it should be vehicles.

I really don't think we need to have open carry in the states.

Yeah, you already said that.

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#20 deactivated-59f03d6ce656b

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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Who gives a damn if people get uneasy? The few lives that are saved are more important than somebody's comfort. If people should be worried about anything it should be vehicles.
sherman-tank1

Then go conceal carry.

Well if the assaulter isn't detered and attacks the carrier then somebody gets hurt either way. Open allows the situation to be avoided overall. I honestly don't see the big deal here. People aren't going to suffer from a little tension for half a minute once in a while.

Open carry just let's anyone surprise an open carrier and take their gun. So no it doesn't avoid the situation. Surprise is a powerful thing, with open carry the assailant has surprise on his side, vice versa with concealed.

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#21 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]
[QUOTE="Person0"] Then go conceal carry.Person0

Well if the assaulter isn't detered and attacks the carrier then somebody gets hurt either way. Open allows the situation to be avoided overall. I honestly don't see the big deal here. People aren't going to suffer from a little tension for half a minute once in a while.

Open carry just let's anyone surprise an open carrier and take their gun. So no it doesn't avoid the situation. Surprise is a powerful thing, with open carry the assailant has surprise on his side, vice versa with concealed.

Ok now I understand your point better. However, if I had to take a guess thieves typically like avoid violence. Perhaps we can agree to disagree?

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#22 killzowned24

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Good for him. I love when people open carry and walk away freely :P

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#23 comp_atkins

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well, this discussion breaks along the usual political biases.. see yall later...

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#24 Hexagon_777

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If police officers knew the law, they would be lawyers, not police officers. :|

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While open carry is legal, at the same time its also a law that weapons can't be displayed in such a fashion that it "manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons", and that can be rather subjective. I'm not aware though of any higher court opinions and rulings of how these two laws can contradict each other. While I'm not saying in this case that that might have been the case with this individual, I do feel that some gun proponents are rather antagonistic regarding their right to carry and I could see a potential day where a higher court may rule on an interpretation of the law in which "intimidating" will be defined in a precedent that's unfavorable to gun right proponents.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Why is that? You are letting people aware that you have a gun.
sherman-tank1

I really don't think anyone needs to walk around with a gun out.....

supressing my insecurity is more important than everyone else's safety.

fix'd

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#27 Fightingfan

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People fail to realize police can disarm anyone if they have reason/suspicion of agitation or aggression. You refuse you can end up getting tazed, or even shot.

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#28 THE_DRUGGIE

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This wouldn't have happened if he had two guns and Chow Yun Fat powers.

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#29 Saturos3091

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Police didn't know the law and got screwed for it. Sounds like this needs to happen more often and not just with guns.

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Member since 2007 • 831 Posts

Nice that the guy happened to have a copy of the law in his pocket just in case he had a chance to get $15,000 out of the coffers.

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I think the writing style of the article is funny.

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#32 mrbojangles25 Online

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law enforcement should know the law.

maybe our standards and training are too low, who knows?

Can't believe that officer drew his gun on the guy, though, no excuse to point a loaded weapon at a non-threatening individual.

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I find the concept of open carry absurd. What, are you guys in the old west or something? Still, if it is the law, the officer was in the wrong.

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I have to wonder why people must afford a patrol officer or a daytime security guard in an open carry state if civilians can play the sheriff.

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#35 LostProphetFLCL

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Good for the vet, but by God that article was terribly bias and horribly written....

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#36 SolidSnake35

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"He even offered to show the officer a copy of the statute, which he also carried with him at all times (just in case a situation like this should ever arise, apparently)." How sad

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#37 hartsickdiscipl

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]
[QUOTE="Person0"] Open carry is really dumb.LJS9502_basic

Why is that? You are letting people aware that you have a gun.

I really don't think anyone needs to walk around with a gun out.....

Sounds like a personal problem. Suck it up.

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#38 hartsickdiscipl

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People fail to realize police can disarm anyone if they have reason/suspicion of agitation or aggression. You refuse you can end up getting tazed, or even shot.
Fightingfan

What constitutes "aggression?" What is a valid "reason?" It had better be a good one.

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#39 chessmaster1989

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Seems like a legit source.

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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]If I was a thug I wouldn't want to mess with a guy I know has a gun. It also allows people around the gun carrier to be ready in case well, you know.
sherman-tank1

Or you would just kill/ disarm the open carry guy first. It also makes everyone around you uneasy, which happens every time compared to you most likely never needing to use it to defend yourself.

Who gives a damn if people get uneasy?

More uneasiness = more violence.

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#41 THE_DRUGGIE

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This is why you should conceal carry when you have grenades on you.

Cops'll get all up in your business.

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Everyone had a holstered gun in the Wild West. After all, the natural thing to do when you have a gun is just to fire. There must have been non stop shooting. Then I hear the time wasn't so wild as they say.

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#43 consoletroll

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Some Police feel they are the only ones who should be allowed to own/carry firearms. Have you ever seen these patrol officers shoot at the range? Terrible marksmanship .

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#44 Master_Live

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Conceal carry FTW!!!

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#45 MakeMeaSammitch

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Why is that? You are letting people aware that you have a gun.
sherman-tank1

I really don't think anyone needs to walk around with a gun out.....

Safety is more important than public norms.

People with guns are more likely to kill themselves, a family member, or an innocent than a criminal.

Facts are facts. It's less safe.

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Just because the state has open carry laws

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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I really don't think anyone needs to walk around with a gun out.....MakeMeaSammitch

Safety is more important than public norms.

People with guns are more likely to kill themselves, a family member, or an innocent than a criminal.

Facts are facts. It's less safe.

You are more likely to be shot accidentally by a police officer, than you are by a legal gun owner.

Facts are facts. The police aren't always safe.

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#48 Planeforger

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"He even offered to show the officer a copy of the statute, which he also carried with him at all times (just in case a situation like this should ever arise, apparently)." How sadSolidSnake35

Sounds like the sort of guy who goes around deliberately pissing off cops just so he can make a blog post about how cops arrested him for no reason.

Did he make aYouTube video while he was at it?

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I wouldn't have minded the cop stopping him and being somewhat ignorant of the law if he hadn't pulled the gun on him. That's where it was essentially criminal. Had everything been the same up to that point and the officer radioed in to verify the authenticity of such a law (which it was auethentic, meaning it was his mistake), this would be an absolute non-issue.

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#50 MakeMeaSammitch

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]
[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Safety is more important than public norms.
DJ419

People with guns are more likely to kill themselves, a family member, or an innocent than a criminal.

Facts are facts. It's less safe.

You are more likely to be shot accidentally by a police officer, than you are by a legal gun owner.

Facts are facts. The police aren't always safe.

source?

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