at 18 you can kill in the navy and get a weapon but u cant drink
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A country that hates people that like beer. :(
Joining the navy and then killing someone is much more involved than popping down to the mart and buying some booze.
Plus, you can drink in your own home w/ parents permission. It's an unwritten rule, I suppose. As long as you don't endanger the lives of other citizens.
i mean whats the point of that law you can kill someone at the age of 18 but you cant have a nice cold beer.simonromano2007
This isn't anything new. People are in there physical Apex around 18 but not there emotional. Lower the drinking age to 18 and there will be more DUI's, More domestic violence, and more murder.
Theres a difference between killing an enemy to your country rather than killing yourself and innocent people. SylentButDeadly
there is a difference between your country taking you and forcing you to fight during a draft and letting you have a drink...
You can sail the 7 seas...
In the navy...
I honestly don't understand how drinking and killing relate to each other. So you join the Navy because you want to be like your idols The Village People. It's not like your going to be drinking on the boat heading over to war. You can kill at any age. Sure it's pretty difficult to do immediately at birth but it's possible. A human being can kill anytime he want's to, that doesn't mean you should be able to drink whenever you want. But honestly it doesn't matter, if you have friends you can get alcohol even earlier in high school if your devoted enough to wasting your time.
thats why i live in mexico where people start drinking from 12 years oldA country that hates people that like beer. :(
DaveGamer_05
although not legal who gives a heck
It's biological, the human mind is still developing and reaches its peak around the low 20s. RyuHayabusaXKilling people can cause psychological problems, i'm sure the effects would be greater/more likely if your mind is still developing.
You can kill at any age, but you know better and can stop yourself. When you are drunk your sense of reason can slip away. Especially some young teens who don't know when they have had too much and just keep drinking until they are nothing but a danger to those around them.You can sail the 7 seas...
In the navy...I honestly don't understand how drinking and killing relate to each other. So you join the Navy because you want to be like your idols The Village People. It's not like your going to be drinking on the boat heading over to war. You can kill at any age. Sure it's pretty difficult to do immediately at birth but it's possible. A human being can kill anytime he want's to, that doesn't mean you should be able to drink whenever you want. But honestly it doesn't matter, if you have friends you can get alcohol even earlier in high school if your devoted enough to wasting your time.
Pittfan666
[QUOTE="DaveGamer_05"]thats why i live in mexico where people start drinking from 12 years oldA country that hates people that like beer. :(
simonromano2007
although not legal who gives a heck
Your probably one of those alchohal obsessed teenagers:roll:
Kids drink underage in America too. its not Just Mexico
i say we make it so you cant join up untill your 21. hows that for a solution?
EDIT!!!!! I want the TC to answer this btw
[QUOTE="simonromano2007"]i mean whats the point of that law you can kill someone at the age of 18 but you cant have a nice cold beer.honkyjoe
This isn't anything new. People are in there physical Apex around 18 but not there emotional. Lower the drinking age to 18 and there will be more DUI's, More domestic violence, and more murder.
Oh yes of course, because it isn't like underrage drinking isn't to the point where it appears the majority of people drink before 21.
People blow this WAY OUT OF PROPORTION and it is also ridiculous how they claim that we are too immature for alcohol at 18, yet there are MANY more irresponsible people over 18 and at one point the most DUI's were those 25-35 years old.
You want to stop drinking porblems? Start actually educating children on alcohol rather than just telling them "Oh it's awesome, but too much for you" and lower the drinking age.
Italy hasn't had a drinking age for God knows how long and untill recently they have had no big problems with alcohol. Sadly theres a culture shift going on there and the hard partying characterstic of the US, France, and Germany is gaining popularity there....
[QUOTE="RyuHayabusaX"]It's biological, the human mind is still developing and reaches its peak around the low 20s. Brainkiller05Killing people can cause psychological problems, i'm sure the effects would be greater/more likely if your mind is still developing.If you want to really look into when a roadside bomb explodes, the soundwaves might hit the soldier and they travel to the brain and maybe cause some damage? Who knows, but beer has a much bigger impact and makes you disoriented and especially in a group you can do things you don't think you might do. Le'ts put it this way: Beer will always cause "harm(whether it's physical or a simple blurry eyesight/disorientation), but when people go into the US Army/Navy/Marines, they know they'll be killing people, they're prepared for it. Now sure most soldiers have psychological problems when they come back but that can be detected early enough and cured quickly.
[QUOTE="DaveGamer_05"]thats why i live in mexico where people start drinking from 12 years oldA country that hates people that like beer. :(
simonromano2007
although not legal who gives a heck
Its people like you who make me want to minefield the border.
i say we make it so you cant join up untill your 21. hows that for a solution?
EDIT!!!!! I want the TC to answer this btw
Serraph105
come on i really want to know your answer
[QUOTE="DaveGamer_05"]thats why i live in mexico where people start drinking from 12 years oldA country that hates people that like beer. :(
simonromano2007
although not legal who gives a heck
You lucky son of a gun.
[QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="simonromano2007"]i mean whats the point of that law you can kill someone at the age of 18 but you cant have a nice cold beer.Thechaninator
This isn't anything new. People are in there physical Apex around 18 but not there emotional. Lower the drinking age to 18 and there will be more DUI's, More domestic violence, and more murder.
Oh yes of course, because it isn't like underrage drinking isn't to the point where it appears the majority of people drink before 21.
People blow this WAY OUT OF PROPORTION and it is also ridiculous how they claim that we are too immature for alcohol at 18, yet there are MANY more irresponsible people over 18 and at one point the most DUI's were those 25-35 years old.
You want to stop drinking porblems? Start actually educating children on alcohol rather than just telling them "Oh it's awesome, but too much for you" and lower the drinking age.
Italy hasn't had a drinking age for God knows how long and untill recently they have had no big problems with alcohol. Sadly theres a culture shift going on there and the hard partying characterstic of the US, France, and Germany is gaining popularity there....
Im not blowing it our of proportion at all. If they lower the drinking age then more people will drink and more accidents will happen. And people try to educate kids on Alchohal, last year at my school there were about 10 people who came and spoke to us about drinking yet no one listened.
It's that way because the average American teen is reckless and self absorbed; they don't care if theyput other peoples lives on the line.
Go ahead, look at the teenage death rate in the US due to drunk driving. Abuse it, lose it)[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="simonromano2007"]i mean whats the point of that law you can kill someone at the age of 18 but you cant have a nice cold beer.honkyjoe
This isn't anything new. People are in there physical Apex around 18 but not there emotional. Lower the drinking age to 18 and there will be more DUI's, More domestic violence, and more murder.
Oh yes of course, because it isn't like underrage drinking isn't to the point where it appears the majority of people drink before 21.
People blow this WAY OUT OF PROPORTION and it is also ridiculous how they claim that we are too immature for alcohol at 18, yet there are MANY more irresponsible people over 18 and at one point the most DUI's were those 25-35 years old.
You want to stop drinking porblems? Start actually educating children on alcohol rather than just telling them "Oh it's awesome, but too much for you" and lower the drinking age.
Italy hasn't had a drinking age for God knows how long and untill recently they have had no big problems with alcohol. Sadly theres a culture shift going on there and the hard partying characterstic of the US, France, and Germany is gaining popularity there....
Im not blowing it our of proportion at all. If they lower the drinking age then more people will drink and more accidents will happen. And people try to educate kids on Alchohal, last year at my school there were about 10 people who came and spoke to us about drinking yet no one listened.
We don't have any real education on both drugs and sex here in the States. It is always abstinence and they make both sex and alvohol look like some crazy things that will kill you if you do them. You want to see proof of how this "education" is? Notice how the vast majority of people here when referring to drinking talk about how it disorients you, yet that only happens WHEN YOU HAVE TOO MUCH!!!!
People only know the extremes of alcohol and the substance is blown so crazily out of proportion it isn't even funny. In other countries it's the norm to have a glass of wine with dinner yet here when we refer to drinking it's always about people getting drunk, and then on top of that if you are someone who will just have a drink a day with a meal people will suspect you of being an alcoholic for drinking everyday, even in spite of a glass of wine a day being recommended for your health!!!
I will repeat, we have no real education here on drugs and sex. We blow substance so freaking out of proportion it isn't even funny.
i mean whats the point of that law you can kill someone at the age of 18 but you cant have a nice cold beer.simonromano2007if you're in the military, you are allowed to drink on military bases at the age of 18. plus, most of the time, you're stationed overseas in countries whose age limit for alcohol is usually 18.
It's that way because the average American teen is reckless and self absorbed; they don't care if theyput other peoples lives on the line.
Go ahead, look at the teenage death rate in the US due to drunk driving. Abuse it, lose it)
limpbizkit818
Oh yes we AMERICAN teenagers are just idiots and all those teenagers in other countries are just freaking saints.
You know Ireland? Yeah they have a high drinking age like us and tough drinking laws and guess what? The stereotype of Ireland is that it is a nation of drunks.
So yeah, lets just follow the example of the nation known for it's drinking problems!
[QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="simonromano2007"]i mean whats the point of that law you can kill someone at the age of 18 but you cant have a nice cold beer.Thechaninator
This isn't anything new. People are in there physical Apex around 18 but not there emotional. Lower the drinking age to 18 and there will be more DUI's, More domestic violence, and more murder.
Oh yes of course, because it isn't like underrage drinking isn't to the point where it appears the majority of people drink before 21.
People blow this WAY OUT OF PROPORTION and it is also ridiculous how they claim that we are too immature for alcohol at 18, yet there are MANY more irresponsible people over 18 and at one point the most DUI's were those 25-35 years old.
You want to stop drinking porblems? Start actually educating children on alcohol rather than just telling them "Oh it's awesome, but too much for you" and lower the drinking age.
Italy hasn't had a drinking age for God knows how long and untill recently they have had no big problems with alcohol. Sadly theres a culture shift going on there and the hard partying characterstic of the US, France, and Germany is gaining popularity there....
Im not blowing it our of proportion at all. If they lower the drinking age then more people will drink and more accidents will happen. And people try to educate kids on Alchohal, last year at my school there were about 10 people who came and spoke to us about drinking yet no one listened.
We don't have any real education on both drugs and sex here in the States. It is always abstinence and they make both sex and alvohol look like some crazy things that will kill you if you do them. You want to see proof of how this "education" is? Notice how the vast majority of people here when referring to drinking talk about how it disorients you, yet that only happens WHEN YOU HAVE TOO MUCH!!!!
People only know the extremes of alcohol and the substance is blown so crazily out of proportion it isn't even funny. In other countries it's the norm to have a glass of wine with dinner yet here when we refer to drinking it's always about people getting drunk, and then on top of that if you are someone who will just have a drink a day with a meal people will suspect you of being an alcoholic for drinking everyday, even in spite of a glass of wine a day being recommended for your health!!!
I will repeat, we have no real education here on drugs and sex. We blow substance so freaking out of proportion it isn't even funny.
But you have to realize that we arent like other countries. European countries are so different from us in terms of genetics. It has been normal for thousands of years for Europeans to have wine instead of water when the water was supposably contaminated. I have been to Germany and France and the kids there dont go nuts with Booze, They will have a beer and then maybe another later. Drinking to them is about calming down not getting s***faced..
[QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"]Theres a difference between killing an enemy to your country rather than killing yourself and innocent people. SaintLeonidas
there is a difference between your country taking you and forcing you to fight during a draft and letting you have a drink...
US isn't legally allowed to draft us right now apparently.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="simonromano2007"]i mean whats the point of that law you can kill someone at the age of 18 but you cant have a nice cold beer.honkyjoe
This isn't anything new. People are in there physical Apex around 18 but not there emotional. Lower the drinking age to 18 and there will be more DUI's, More domestic violence, and more murder.
Oh yes of course, because it isn't like underrage drinking isn't to the point where it appears the majority of people drink before 21.
People blow this WAY OUT OF PROPORTION and it is also ridiculous how they claim that we are too immature for alcohol at 18, yet there are MANY more irresponsible people over 18 and at one point the most DUI's were those 25-35 years old.
You want to stop drinking porblems? Start actually educating children on alcohol rather than just telling them "Oh it's awesome, but too much for you" and lower the drinking age.
Italy hasn't had a drinking age for God knows how long and untill recently they have had no big problems with alcohol. Sadly theres a culture shift going on there and the hard partying characterstic of the US, France, and Germany is gaining popularity there....
Im not blowing it our of proportion at all. If they lower the drinking age then more people will drink and more accidents will happen. And people try to educate kids on Alchohal, last year at my school there were about 10 people who came and spoke to us about drinking yet no one listened.
We don't have any real education on both drugs and sex here in the States. It is always abstinence and they make both sex and alvohol look like some crazy things that will kill you if you do them. You want to see proof of how this "education" is? Notice how the vast majority of people here when referring to drinking talk about how it disorients you, yet that only happens WHEN YOU HAVE TOO MUCH!!!!
People only know the extremes of alcohol and the substance is blown so crazily out of proportion it isn't even funny. In other countries it's the norm to have a glass of wine with dinner yet here when we refer to drinking it's always about people getting drunk, and then on top of that if you are someone who will just have a drink a day with a meal people will suspect you of being an alcoholic for drinking everyday, even in spite of a glass of wine a day being recommended for your health!!!
I will repeat, we have no real education here on drugs and sex. We blow substance so freaking out of proportion it isn't even funny.
But you have to realize that we arent like other countries. European countries are so different from us in terms of genetics. It has been normal for thousands of years for Europeans to have wine instead of water when the water was supposably contaminated. I have been to Germany and France and the kids there dont go nuts with Booze, They will have a beer and then maybe another later. Drinking to them is about calming down not getting s***faced..
http://www.marininstitute.org/alcohol_policy/french_drinking.htm
"The French drink one-and-a-half times more per capita than Americans and their death rate from liver cirrhosis is more than one-and-a-half times greater than that in the United States"
"The high premature death rate of French men is largely due to alcohol abuse."
"French youth, who can legally drink at age 16, prefer beer and distilled spirits to wine and have increased their consumption fivefold since 1996, in part because 12- to 14-year-olds are drinking and binge drinking. This has led to a new government "War Against Drugs" that includes alcohol."
France has a worse problem with alcohol then us man, and do I need to get into Germany's reputation, particularly Amsterdam?
[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]It's that way because the average American teen is reckless and self absorbed; they don't care if theyput other peoples lives on the line.
Go ahead, look at the teenage death rate in the US due to drunk driving. Abuse it, lose it)
Thechaninator
Oh yes we AMERICAN teenagers are just idiots and all those teenagers in other countries are just freaking saints.
You know Ireland? Yeah they have a high drinking age like us and tough drinking laws and guess what? The stereotype of Ireland is that it is a nation of drunks.
So yeah, lets just follow the example of the nation known for it's drinking problems!
Sorry buddy, but American teenagers are flat out irreasonable. There is no reason to believe that lowering the drinking age is going to curb the amount of alcohol related deaths.
You can preach about education all you want but until kids in this country grow up nothing is or should be done.
This has nothing to do with Ireland.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]It's that way because the average American teen is reckless and self absorbed; they don't care if theyput other peoples lives on the line.
Go ahead, look at the teenage death rate in the US due to drunk driving. Abuse it, lose it)
limpbizkit818
Oh yes we AMERICAN teenagers are just idiots and all those teenagers in other countries are just freaking saints.
You know Ireland? Yeah they have a high drinking age like us and tough drinking laws and guess what? The stereotype of Ireland is that it is a nation of drunks.
So yeah, lets just follow the example of the nation known for it's drinking problems!
Sorry buddy, but American teenagers are flat out irreasonable. There is no reason to believe that lowering the drinking age is going to curb the amount of alcohol related deaths.
You can preach about education all you want but until kids in this country grow up nothing is or should be done.
This has nothing to do with Ireland.
Well, like you are implying (I think) better safe than sorry. 21 is a good age.
For everyone trying to argue that DUI accidents and other alcohol related problems would dramatically rise if we allowed 18+ year olds to drink: You guys should know that the US drinking age was 18 up until 1984 when the government decided that drinking was too immoral of an activity for young people to be partaking in. Some states even refused to recognize the law until the government started with-holding road construction funds from any state that didn't adopt a 21+ drinking age (and South Dakota even tried to get the act overturned in the supreme court). Seeing as how everyone who grew up before 1984 seems to be perfectly fine mentally and also that the pre-1984 roads weren't covered in twisted, fused metal heaps from car crashes, I think it's safe to say that the 21+ age limit is rather pointless.gameguy6700
yeah, I mean you cant use the defense of it effecting and hurting your brain when the US is one of the only countries to have such a high drinking age, I mean look at Europe, most of those countries have a lower drinking age and Im not seeing to many problems.
I just never got that at 18 you could smoke, drive, own a firearm, enlist or be drafted and fight against your will yet you cannot have a drink.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]It's that way because the average American teen is reckless and self absorbed; they don't care if theyput other peoples lives on the line.
Go ahead, look at the teenage death rate in the US due to drunk driving. Abuse it, lose it)
limpbizkit818
Oh yes we AMERICAN teenagers are just idiots and all those teenagers in other countries are just freaking saints.
You know Ireland? Yeah they have a high drinking age like us and tough drinking laws and guess what? The stereotype of Ireland is that it is a nation of drunks.
So yeah, lets just follow the example of the nation known for it's drinking problems!
Sorry buddy, but American teenagers are flat out irreasonable. There is no reason to believe that lowering the drinking age is going to curb the amount of alcohol related deaths.
You can preach about education all you want but until kids in this country grow up nothing is or should be done.
This has nothing to do with Ireland.
Oh yes you know everytime I party there are people driving drunk left and right racing and stuff and theres those guys who just drink till they black out:roll:
It amazes me the stigma teens have here in some aspects. People act like teenagers in other countries are somehow better when in France they down much more alcohol than us and starting at younger ages. The only reason they may not have the highway mortalities is because they actual have freaking public transportation.
I have yet to personally encounter these "horribly irresponsible teenagers". Everytime I have partied it has been gather the food for the night and hole up in the place of drinking and party. Even when I went to my friedns 21st up by Central Michigan University this same scenario played out. I also don't know anyone who knows anyone who has been in an alcohol related accident, but I can tell you of a kid who has 5 MIP's from jsut minding his own business on private property. They actually gave him one ON A COUCH!!!!
[QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="simonromano2007"]i mean whats the point of that law you can kill someone at the age of 18 but you cant have a nice cold beer.Thechaninator
This isn't anything new. People are in there physical Apex around 18 but not there emotional. Lower the drinking age to 18 and there will be more DUI's, More domestic violence, and more murder.
Oh yes of course, because it isn't like underrage drinking isn't to the point where it appears the majority of people drink before 21.
People blow this WAY OUT OF PROPORTION and it is also ridiculous how they claim that we are too immature for alcohol at 18, yet there are MANY more irresponsible people over 18 and at one point the most DUI's were those 25-35 years old.
You want to stop drinking porblems? Start actually educating children on alcohol rather than just telling them "Oh it's awesome, but too much for you" and lower the drinking age.
Italy hasn't had a drinking age for God knows how long and untill recently they have had no big problems with alcohol. Sadly theres a culture shift going on there and the hard partying characterstic of the US, France, and Germany is gaining popularity there....
Im not blowing it our of proportion at all. If they lower the drinking age then more people will drink and more accidents will happen. And people try to educate kids on Alchohal, last year at my school there were about 10 people who came and spoke to us about drinking yet no one listened.
We don't have any real education on both drugs and sex here in the States. It is always abstinence and they make both sex and alvohol look like some crazy things that will kill you if you do them. You want to see proof of how this "education" is? Notice how the vast majority of people here when referring to drinking talk about how it disorients you, yet that only happens WHEN YOU HAVE TOO MUCH!!!!
People only know the extremes of alcohol and the substance is blown so crazily out of proportion it isn't even funny. In other countries it's the norm to have a glass of wine with dinner yet here when we refer to drinking it's always about people getting drunk, and then on top of that if you are someone who will just have a drink a day with a meal people will suspect you of being an alcoholic for drinking everyday, even in spite of a glass of wine a day being recommended for your health!!!
I will repeat, we have no real education here on drugs and sex. We blow substance so freaking out of proportion it isn't even funny.
But you have to realize that we arent like other countries. European countries are so different from us in terms of genetics. It has been normal for thousands of years for Europeans to have wine instead of water when the water was supposably contaminated. I have been to Germany and France and the kids there dont go nuts with Booze, They will have a beer and then maybe another later. Drinking to them is about calming down not getting s***faced..
http://www.marininstitute.org/alcohol_policy/french_drinking.htm
"The French drink one-and-a-half times more per capita than Americans and their death rate from liver cirrhosis is more than one-and-a-half times greater than that in the United States"
"The high premature death rate of French men is largely due to alcohol abuse."
"French youth, who can legally drink at age 16, prefer beer and distilled spirits to wine and have increased their consumption fivefold since 1996, in part because 12- to 14-year-olds are drinking and binge drinking. This has led to a new government "War Against Drugs" that includes alcohol."
France has a worse problem with alcohol then us man, and do I need to get into Germany's reputation, particularly Amsterdam?
I was going off what I saw in Europe. And Amsterdam is in the Netherlands.
Anyway Goodnight All. First day of school tommorow:)
[QUOTE="simonromano2007"]i mean whats the point of that law you can kill someone at the age of 18 but you cant have a nice cold beer.honkyjoe
This isn't anything new. People are in there physical Apex around 18 but not there emotional. Lower the drinking age to 18 and there will be more DUI's, More domestic violence, and more murder.
well said.
still, I cant help but feel 21 is too high.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="simonromano2007"]i mean whats the point of that law you can kill someone at the age of 18 but you cant have a nice cold beer.honkyjoe
This isn't anything new. People are in there physical Apex around 18 but not there emotional. Lower the drinking age to 18 and there will be more DUI's, More domestic violence, and more murder.
Oh yes of course, because it isn't like underrage drinking isn't to the point where it appears the majority of people drink before 21.
People blow this WAY OUT OF PROPORTION and it is also ridiculous how they claim that we are too immature for alcohol at 18, yet there are MANY more irresponsible people over 18 and at one point the most DUI's were those 25-35 years old.
You want to stop drinking porblems? Start actually educating children on alcohol rather than just telling them "Oh it's awesome, but too much for you" and lower the drinking age.
Italy hasn't had a drinking age for God knows how long and untill recently they have had no big problems with alcohol. Sadly theres a culture shift going on there and the hard partying characterstic of the US, France, and Germany is gaining popularity there....
Im not blowing it our of proportion at all. If they lower the drinking age then more people will drink and more accidents will happen. And people try to educate kids on Alchohal, last year at my school there were about 10 people who came and spoke to us about drinking yet no one listened.
We don't have any real education on both drugs and sex here in the States. It is always abstinence and they make both sex and alvohol look like some crazy things that will kill you if you do them. You want to see proof of how this "education" is? Notice how the vast majority of people here when referring to drinking talk about how it disorients you, yet that only happens WHEN YOU HAVE TOO MUCH!!!!
People only know the extremes of alcohol and the substance is blown so crazily out of proportion it isn't even funny. In other countries it's the norm to have a glass of wine with dinner yet here when we refer to drinking it's always about people getting drunk, and then on top of that if you are someone who will just have a drink a day with a meal people will suspect you of being an alcoholic for drinking everyday, even in spite of a glass of wine a day being recommended for your health!!!
I will repeat, we have no real education here on drugs and sex. We blow substance so freaking out of proportion it isn't even funny.
But you have to realize that we arent like other countries. European countries are so different from us in terms of genetics. It has been normal for thousands of years for Europeans to have wine instead of water when the water was supposably contaminated. I have been to Germany and France and the kids there dont go nuts with Booze, They will have a beer and then maybe another later. Drinking to them is about calming down not getting s***faced..
http://www.marininstitute.org/alcohol_policy/french_drinking.htm
"The French drink one-and-a-half times more per capita than Americans and their death rate from liver cirrhosis is more than one-and-a-half times greater than that in the United States"
"The high premature death rate of French men is largely due to alcohol abuse."
"French youth, who can legally drink at age 16, prefer beer and distilled spirits to wine and have increased their consumption fivefold since 1996, in part because 12- to 14-year-olds are drinking and binge drinking. This has led to a new government "War Against Drugs" that includes alcohol."
France has a worse problem with alcohol then us man, and do I need to get into Germany's reputation, particularly Amsterdam?
I was going off what I saw in Europe. And Amsterdam is in the Netherlands.
Anyway Goodnight All. First day of school tommorow:)
Wow how freaking stupid am I that I have been under the impression that Amsterdam was in Germany. Imma go stamp a big FAIL on my forehead now.
Oh and have fun at school:lol:
I am taking a break from college this year to make some MOOONNEEEY!!!! AHAHAHAHA!!!!
[QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="simonromano2007"]i mean whats the point of that law you can kill someone at the age of 18 but you cant have a nice cold beer.Thechaninator
This isn't anything new. People are in there physical Apex around 18 but not there emotional. Lower the drinking age to 18 and there will be more DUI's, More domestic violence, and more murder.
Oh yes of course, because it isn't like underrage drinking isn't to the point where it appears the majority of people drink before 21.
People blow this WAY OUT OF PROPORTION and it is also ridiculous how they claim that we are too immature for alcohol at 18, yet there are MANY more irresponsible people over 18 and at one point the most DUI's were those 25-35 years old.
You want to stop drinking porblems? Start actually educating children on alcohol rather than just telling them "Oh it's awesome, but too much for you" and lower the drinking age.
Italy hasn't had a drinking age for God knows how long and untill recently they have had no big problems with alcohol. Sadly theres a culture shift going on there and the hard partying characterstic of the US, France, and Germany is gaining popularity there....
Im not blowing it our of proportion at all. If they lower the drinking age then more people will drink and more accidents will happen. And people try to educate kids on Alchohal, last year at my school there were about 10 people who came and spoke to us about drinking yet no one listened.
We don't have any real education on both drugs and sex here in the States. It is always abstinence and they make both sex and alvohol look like some crazy things that will kill you if you do them. You want to see proof of how this "education" is? Notice how the vast majority of people here when referring to drinking talk about how it disorients you, yet that only happens WHEN YOU HAVE TOO MUCH!!!!
People only know the extremes of alcohol and the substance is blown so crazily out of proportion it isn't even funny. In other countries it's the norm to have a glass of wine with dinner yet here when we refer to drinking it's always about people getting drunk, and then on top of that if you are someone who will just have a drink a day with a meal people will suspect you of being an alcoholic for drinking everyday, even in spite of a glass of wine a day being recommended for your health!!!
I will repeat, we have no real education here on drugs and sex. We blow substance so freaking out of proportion it isn't even funny.
But you have to realize that we arent like other countries. European countries are so different from us in terms of genetics. It has been normal for thousands of years for Europeans to have wine instead of water when the water was supposably contaminated. I have been to Germany and France and the kids there dont go nuts with Booze, They will have a beer and then maybe another later. Drinking to them is about calming down not getting s***faced..
http://www.marininstitute.org/alcohol_policy/french_drinking.htm
"The French drink one-and-a-half times more per capita than Americans and their death rate from liver cirrhosis is more than one-and-a-half times greater than that in the United States"
"The high premature death rate of French men is largely due to alcohol abuse."
"French youth, who can legally drink at age 16, prefer beer and distilled spirits to wine and have increased their consumption fivefold since 1996, in part because 12- to 14-year-olds are drinking and binge drinking. This has led to a new government "War Against Drugs" that includes alcohol."
France has a worse problem with alcohol then us man, and do I need to get into Germany's reputation, particularly Amsterdam?
I was going off what I saw in Europe. And Amsterdam is in the Netherlands.
Anyway Goodnight All. First day of school tommorow:)
Wow how freaking stupid am I that I have been under the impression that Amsterdam was in Germany. Imma go stamp a big FAIL on my forehead now.
Oh and have fun at school:lol:
I am taking a break from college this year to make some MOOONNEEEY!!!! AHAHAHAHA!!!!
whatever, that article made me feel good. Especially considering that I make beer and a lot of these misinformed people might see me as a source of the problem lol.
Its like in the hood, you know? Gangbangers dont go after drug dealers for selling to kids. Gangbangers go after the drug makers. I dont want no anti-booze folks coming after me!
Oh yes you know everytime I party there are people driving drunk left and right racing and stuff and theres those guys who just drink till they black out:roll:
It amazes me the stigma teens have here in some aspects. People act like teenagers in other countries are somehow better when in France they down much more alcohol than us and starting at younger ages. The only reason they may not have the highway mortalities is because they actual have freaking public transportation.
I have yet to personally encounter these "horribly irresponsible teenagers". Everytime I have partied it has been gather the food for the night and hole up in the place of drinking and party. Even when I went to my friedns 21st up by Central Michigan University this same scenario played out. I also don't know anyone who knows anyone who has been in an alcohol related accident, but I can tell you of a kid who has 5 MIP's from jsut minding his own business on private property. They actually gave him one ON A COUCH!!!!
Thechaninator
You have yet to give 1 reason why the age should be lowered.
O, so because you have not seen any teens drink and drive, then everything is ok? According to The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 64 percent of teens that were involved in fatal accidents in 2006 were drunk. I guess they made that one up.
And why do you keep bringing up other countries? If you are telling me that France, which has a lower drinking age than the US, has all these health problems due to alcohol doesn't that hurt your argument?
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean there is not a problem. And to go back to your early point that we need to step up education about the risks of drinking, what exactly did you have in mind? What and how would you teach the kids?
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"][QUOTE="simonromano2007"]i mean whats the point of that law you can kill someone at the age of 18 but you cant have a nice cold beer.mrbojangles25
This isn't anything new. People are in there physical Apex around 18 but not there emotional. Lower the drinking age to 18 and there will be more DUI's, More domestic violence, and more murder.
Oh yes of course, because it isn't like underrage drinking isn't to the point where it appears the majority of people drink before 21.
People blow this WAY OUT OF PROPORTION and it is also ridiculous how they claim that we are too immature for alcohol at 18, yet there are MANY more irresponsible people over 18 and at one point the most DUI's were those 25-35 years old.
You want to stop drinking porblems? Start actually educating children on alcohol rather than just telling them "Oh it's awesome, but too much for you" and lower the drinking age.
Italy hasn't had a drinking age for God knows how long and untill recently they have had no big problems with alcohol. Sadly theres a culture shift going on there and the hard partying characterstic of the US, France, and Germany is gaining popularity there....
Im not blowing it our of proportion at all. If they lower the drinking age then more people will drink and more accidents will happen. And people try to educate kids on Alchohal, last year at my school there were about 10 people who came and spoke to us about drinking yet no one listened.
We don't have any real education on both drugs and sex here in the States. It is always abstinence and they make both sex and alvohol look like some crazy things that will kill you if you do them. You want to see proof of how this "education" is? Notice how the vast majority of people here when referring to drinking talk about how it disorients you, yet that only happens WHEN YOU HAVE TOO MUCH!!!!
People only know the extremes of alcohol and the substance is blown so crazily out of proportion it isn't even funny. In other countries it's the norm to have a glass of wine with dinner yet here when we refer to drinking it's always about people getting drunk, and then on top of that if you are someone who will just have a drink a day with a meal people will suspect you of being an alcoholic for drinking everyday, even in spite of a glass of wine a day being recommended for your health!!!
I will repeat, we have no real education here on drugs and sex. We blow substance so freaking out of proportion it isn't even funny.
But you have to realize that we arent like other countries. European countries are so different from us in terms of genetics. It has been normal for thousands of years for Europeans to have wine instead of water when the water was supposably contaminated. I have been to Germany and France and the kids there dont go nuts with Booze, They will have a beer and then maybe another later. Drinking to them is about calming down not getting s***faced..
http://www.marininstitute.org/alcohol_policy/french_drinking.htm
"The French drink one-and-a-half times more per capita than Americans and their death rate from liver cirrhosis is more than one-and-a-half times greater than that in the United States"
"The high premature death rate of French men is largely due to alcohol abuse."
"French youth, who can legally drink at age 16, prefer beer and distilled spirits to wine and have increased their consumption fivefold since 1996, in part because 12- to 14-year-olds are drinking and binge drinking. This has led to a new government "War Against Drugs" that includes alcohol."
France has a worse problem with alcohol then us man, and do I need to get into Germany's reputation, particularly Amsterdam?
I was going off what I saw in Europe. And Amsterdam is in the Netherlands.
Anyway Goodnight All. First day of school tommorow:)
Wow how freaking stupid am I that I have been under the impression that Amsterdam was in Germany. Imma go stamp a big FAIL on my forehead now.
Oh and have fun at school:lol:
I am taking a break from college this year to make some MOOONNEEEY!!!! AHAHAHAHA!!!!
whatever, that article made me feel good. Especially considering that I make beer and a lot of these misinformed people might see me as a source of the problem lol.
Its like in the hood, you know? Gangbangers dont go after drug dealers for selling to kids. Gangbangers go after the drug makers. I dont want no anti-booze folks coming after me!
Don't worry, here in the states we proved how important our alcohol is with how big of a failure prohibition was, and I would expect the same if not EVEN WORSE situations if they tried the same thing in other countries.
I imagine that you could have a full on civil war if they tried to put prohibition into effect in Ireland:lol:
[QUOTE="simonromano2007"]
i mean whats the point of that law you can kill someone at the age of 18 but you cant have a nice cold beer.
honkyjoe
This isn't anything new. People are in there physical Apex around 18 but not there emotional. Lower the drinking age to 18 and there will be more DUI's, More domestic violence, and more murder.
I love how you say all of this, without any explanation, facts, or statics. :|
And whatever the case, what makes us any different than rest of the world? Most everyone else, you are able to buy alcohol at 18 or 19.
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