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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]
i don't understand how some can support some of the people on that list. they committed violent crimes and should not be allowed to participate in society ever again.
there is no such thing as "paying your debt to society". the only solution is permanent removal.
redstorm72
Yeah, except we have these things called "rights". It's kind of what our society is based on. Also, how is permanent removal a "solution"? What exactly does it solve? How to blow even more money on incarceration or how to destroy any legitimacy of the constitution? Anyway, these people did their time, so I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to teach. Firing them would only stigmatize them further and make it more likely they would go back to criminal activity.
"rights" don't exist, they are just words. At best an individual can have a privilege given by a higher party.
In a technocratic system no money would be spent on the removal of violent individuals as we would be free of the price system.
The constitution is an idiotic and stagnant document holding back the American people.
[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
Ja mein Fuhrer.
worlock77
There's a difference between correctly dealing with violent criminals and genocide of innocent contributors to society.
Who said anything about genocide?
You compared me to Hitler (or appeared to).
I differentiated myself from him by saying i do not posses one of his main traits I.E genocidal tendencies.
Was there a specific facet of Hitler you were comparing me to or suggesting i had?
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]
There's a difference between correctly dealing with violent criminals and genocide of innocent contributors to society.
frannkzappa
Who said anything about genocide?
You compared me to Hitler (or appeared to).
I differentiated myself from him by saying i do not posses one of his main traits I.E genocidal tendencies.
Was there a specific facet of Hitler you were comparing me to or suggesting i had?
I know you have a hard-on for inflexible totalitarian government. I merely alluded to one such government.
[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
Who said anything about genocide?
worlock77
You compared me to Hitler (or appeared to).
I differentiated myself from him by saying i do not posses one of his main traits I.E genocidal tendencies.
Was there a specific facet of Hitler you were comparing me to or suggesting i had?
I know you have a hard-on for inflexible totalitarian government. I merely alluded to one such government.
Technocracy is anything but inflexible.
democracy is inflexible, tyrany is inflexable and constitutions are inflexable, NOT technocracy.
[QUOTE="redstorm72"]
[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]
i don't understand how some can support some of the people on that list. they committed violent crimes and should not be allowed to participate in society ever again.
there is no such thing as "paying your debt to society". the only solution is permanent removal.
frannkzappa
Yeah, except we have these things called "rights". It's kind of what our society is based on. Also, how is permanent removal a "solution"? What exactly does it solve? How to blow even more money on incarceration or how to destroy any legitimacy of the constitution? Anyway, these people did their time, so I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to teach. Firing them would only stigmatize them further and make it more likely they would go back to criminal activity.
"rights" don't exist, they are just words. At best an individual can have a privilege given by a higher party.
In a technocratic system no money would be spent on the removal of violent individuals as we would be free of the price system.
The constitution is an idiotic and stagnant document holding back the American people.
..... Ok
*backs out of thread slowly*
[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]
[QUOTE="redstorm72"]
Yeah, except we have these things called "rights". It's kind of what our society is based on. Also, how is permanent removal a "solution"? What exactly does it solve? How to blow even more money on incarceration or how to destroy any legitimacy of the constitution? Anyway, these people did their time, so I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to teach. Firing them would only stigmatize them further and make it more likely they would go back to criminal activity.
redstorm72
"rights" don't exist, they are just words. At best an individual can have a privilege given by a higher party.
In a technocratic system no money would be spent on the removal of violent individuals as we would be free of the price system.
The constitution is an idiotic and stagnant document holding back the American people.
..... Ok
*backs out of thread slowly*
[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]
[QUOTE="redstorm72"]
Yeah, except we have these things called "rights". It's kind of what our society is based on. Also, how is permanent removal a "solution"? What exactly does it solve? How to blow even more money on incarceration or how to destroy any legitimacy of the constitution? Anyway, these people did their time, so I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to teach. Firing them would only stigmatize them further and make it more likely they would go back to criminal activity.
redstorm72
"rights" don't exist, they are just words. At best an individual can have a privilege given by a higher party.
In a technocratic system no money would be spent on the removal of violent individuals as we would be free of the price system.
The constitution is an idiotic and stagnant document holding back the American people.
..... Ok
*backs out of thread slowly*
this is a forum... foreign views should be expected and welcomed.
If you aren't willing or can't defend your ideals from challengers how legitimate are your ideals?
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]
You compared me to Hitler (or appeared to).
I differentiated myself from him by saying i do not posses one of his main traits I.E genocidal tendencies.
Was there a specific facet of Hitler you were comparing me to or suggesting i had?
frannkzappa
I know you have a hard-on for inflexible totalitarian government. I merely alluded to one such government.
Technocracy is anything but inflexible.
democracy is inflexible, tyrany is inflexable and constitutions are inflexable, NOT technocracy.
I'm going to bow out now, as I don't particularly care to derail this thread with another discourse on your particular pipe dream.
[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
I know you have a hard-on for inflexible totalitarian government. I merely alluded to one such government.
worlock77
Technocracy is anything but inflexible.
democracy is inflexible, tyrany is inflexable and constitutions are inflexable, NOT technocracy.
I'm going to bow out now, as I don't particularly care to derail this thread with another discourse on your particular pipe dream.
says the one who brought up politics in the first place.
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]
Technocracy is anything but inflexible.
democracy is inflexible, tyrany is inflexable and constitutions are inflexable, NOT technocracy.
frannkzappa
I'm going to bow out now, as I don't particularly care to derail this thread with another discourse on your particular pipe dream.
says the one who brought up politics in the first place.
Actually the TC brought up politics, as this is kind of a political thread. I made a smartassed remark to a comment espousing a batshit view. But I digress. There's a handful of posters on this forum, and you're one of them, to tend to seize any given thread, no matter the particulars of the subject, and make it all about their pet philosophy. I'm not in the mood to entertain this right now.
I think we all know that the liberal masses of OT would be much less forgiving of a radical RIGHT-wing terrorist than they are being of radical left-wing terrorist Kathy Boudin. This thread is hilarious. Apparently OT is fine with violent murderers as long as they vote Green/Democrat. It really is sick that you people will viciously criticize businessmen like Mitt Romney everyday and then apologize for terrorists.Laihendi
I don't care what their politics are. If a person has paid whever price the courts have determined they owe then it's of no concern of mine what organization chooses to employ them.
Nice attempt at distraction with Mitt Romney.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]I think we all know that the liberal masses of OT would be much less forgiving of a radical RIGHT-wing terrorist than they are being of radical left-wing terrorist Kathy Boudin. This thread is hilarious. Apparently OT is fine with violent murderers as long as they vote Green/Democrat. It really is sick that you people will viciously criticize businessmen like Mitt Romney everyday and then apologize for terrorists.worlock77
I don't care what their politics are. If a person has paid whever price the courts have determined they owe then it's of no concern of mine what organization chooses to employ them.
Nice attempt at distraction with Mitt Romney.
Please explain how it is okay for a violent terrorist to be allowed to live freely and educate young and impressionable minds.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]I think we all know that the liberal masses of OT would be much less forgiving of a radical RIGHT-wing terrorist than they are being of radical left-wing terrorist Kathy Boudin. This thread is hilarious. Apparently OT is fine with violent murderers as long as they vote Green/Democrat. It really is sick that you people will viciously criticize businessmen like Mitt Romney everyday and then apologize for terrorists.Laihendi
I don't care what their politics are. If a person has paid whever price the courts have determined they owe then it's of no concern of mine what organization chooses to employ them.
Nice attempt at distraction with Mitt Romney.
Please explain how it is okay for a violent terrorist to be allowed to live freely and educate young and impressionable minds.The court and parole board have found her to no longer be violent nor a danger to society. As for education young minds - don't like it? Don't enroll in her class or send your children to her school then.
Please explain how it is okay for a violent terrorist to be allowed to live freely and educate young and impressionable minds.[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
I don't care what their politics are. If a person has paid whever price the courts have determined they owe then it's of no concern of mine what organization chooses to employ them.
Nice attempt at distraction with Mitt Romney.
worlock77
The court and parole board have found her to no longer be violent nor a danger to society. As for education young minds - don't like it? Don't enroll in her class or send your children to her school then.
No, I actually asked you to explain how. That involves independent critical thinking, which is not the same as regurgitating court rulings. Please try again.Again, this wreaks of misinformation
The origional article is from a website called The Other McCain. I don't think that this is exactly reputable. That and KingKong has a history of posting BS or at least highly missleading stories from FoxNation.
http://theothermccain.com/2013/05/08/domestic-terrorists-teaching-at-colleges/
[QUOTE="LAN7ERN"]Good ole Faux News.kingkong0124
lol fox newsRich3232
Fox Nation is simply a news aggregation website, like Drudge Report. The actual story is linked to a separate website.
And Fox Nation and Fox News are separate. Fox Nation is described as an "Opinion Site" and Fox News is of course, news.
You actually thought anybody here would care? Some probably thought she shouldn't have been jailed in the first place. Yes, there are far left radicals here.TheWalkingGhost
Come on why do you gotta do that?
[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]You actually thought anybody here would care? Some probably thought she shouldn't have been jailed in the first place. Yes, there are far left radicals here.Person0
Come on why do you gotta do that?
I just told the truth. There are people here who agree with them and would have done the same in they had the chance.
[QUOTE="Person0"]
[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]You actually thought anybody here would care? Some probably thought she shouldn't have been jailed in the first place. Yes, there are far left radicals here.TheWalkingGhost
Come on why do you gotta do that?
I just told the truth. There are people here who agree with them and would have done the same in they had the chance.
I just told the truth. There are people here who agree with them and would have done the same in they had the chance.[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="Person0"]
Come on why do you gotta do that?
Person0
I see this as a great opportunity for homeschooling to go where it hasn't been able to go before. Think about it: What could go wrong if you homeschool an engineer? After all, you just need a good King James Bible and a healthy dose of patriotism.
You mean that I could be teaching with someone who has committed a crime and been punished by society? OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!
Do you know how many students that have taken my classes who have been arrested and served jail time. I know of at least a half dozen, and I don't feel threatened.
Oh well. She did her time. If people really felt she should suffer more, there's nothing to stop them from wasting her and dumping her body somewhere.
Always cracks me up about "brain washing" happening in college... College is a voluntary education in which ADULTS (not kids) can choose what they wish to learn and focus on.. sSubZerOo
I think it really has to do with parents letting their kids out into the real world to hear opposing viewpoints for the first time and they get nervous. The fact is, that most parents have by the time their kids reach age 18 influenced, maybe even shoved some type of opinions down their kids' throats.
Likely, the parent's aren't as educated as a college professor though, and they worry that the professors are going to be able to put together an argument that would systematically dismantle their views and cause their child to question what they were raised on. Honestly, though they should let their kids find out for themselves and hear what everyone has to say.
I had a very very conservative professor who I didn't agree with on a lot of issues, and he would have been able to argue very convincingly against most opposing viewpoints. He became one of my favorite professors and was very smart and intelligent. That doesn't mean I changed all of my views though just because of one professor. If your kids are so fragile that their opinions can be shaken at the slightest sign of confrontation, then the views probably weren't worth holding in the first place.
[QUOTE="Person0"]
[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]You actually thought anybody here would care? Some probably thought she shouldn't have been jailed in the first place. Yes, there are far left radicals here.TheWalkingGhost
Come on why do you gotta do that?
I just told the truth. There are people here who agree with them and would have done the same in they had the chance.
Name them and provide evidence of your claim.
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