Atheism is stupid (The fact it's a religion)

I guess you would say im "atheist", I dont belive in god.

But saying someone who doesnt believe in god is atheist is like saying this -

Someone doesnt listen to music at all, someone asks what their favourite music genre is and they reply with "My favourite genre is not listening to music"

Maybe its just me... Thoughts?

EDIT: Spelling mistake

How is it a Religion when a Religon is worship of one or more Gods or Deities.

Music exists.

How is it like a religion?

religion topic, thats all you need to know, dont care if its stupid

It's merey a label to classify people. It is not a religion.

doesn't make any sense.

The only thing that that groups atheists is their lack of belief in god(s).
There is no dogma or set of rules that make you an atheist.

So no, atheism is not a religion.

The only thing that that groups atheists is their lack of belief in god(s).
There is no dogma or set of rules that make you an atheist.

So no, atheism is not a religion.

TheFlush

The bolded contradicts itself.

Religon = A set of beliefs

Atheist = A belief that there is no divine being who rules the universe

You can have atheistic religons (Jainism, LaVey Satanism ect) and non-religous theists (deism)

Actually believing in god is more like someone tell you he hears music and actually no music is playing

If he keeps telling you, you may eventually believe it, but that does not mean music is playing

I thought Athiest meant you don't follow a particular religion, you could still have you own beliefs and still believe in God in some way, no?SaltyMeatballs

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The only thing that that groups atheists is their lack of belief in god(s).
There is no dogma or set of rules that make you an atheist.

So no, atheism is not a religion.

Espada12

The bolded contradicts itself.

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

The only thing that that groups atheists is their lack of belief in god(s).
There is no dogma or set of rules that make you an atheist.

So no, atheism is not a religion.

Espada12

The bolded contradicts itself.

You're right, but you know what I mean.
The only rule is to lack belief in gods.

Other than that there's nothing that binds atheists.

@TC: the fact that you believe in god(s) doesn't make you religious automatically, since the belief in god is not a religion.

But saying someone who doesnt believe in god is atheist is like saying this -

Someone doesnt listen to music at all, someone asks what their favourite music genre is and they reply with "My favourite genre is not listening to music"

firefluff3

No it would be somthing like this -

Person 1: "Whats your favorite genre of music?"

Person 2: "I don't believe in music, so I cant have a favorite genre."

That would be more accuate as being an atheist is not believeing in somthing, whereas the way you put it all atheists just dont listen to a god(s) as in not listening to music even though they know its there.

How is it a Religion when a Religon is worship of one or more Gods or Deities.

rockerbikie

As far as the topic, I am not one to argue that atheism is a religion because the debate becomes more about semantics than anything.

What I will argue, however, is that atheism is a belief that transitions itself into other areas of life. In other words, Atheism is also a belief can radically effect how a person answers various questions about life. In that sense, some can validly argue that atheism is an informal religion - though a religion that does not have a formal doctrine of beliefs or any set creeds.

Also, many who are atheistic (not all, I'm not trying to generalize) tend to not think highly of religion in general. As such, for this specific group to claim to be atheistic is synonymous with claiming to be anti-religious. In their eyes for them to be atheistic is therefore to be in exact contradiction with being religious.

Music exists.

hakanakumono

I thought you could only be an atheist if you are logical? While its not that big a leap in logic to claim that an invisible all powerful being which controls everything but we never find proof of the existence of doesn't actually exists, to disregard all the other more spiritual system religions such as buddhism with its karma, confucianism and Taoism with its ying and yang would be harder due to their nature (you could easily find proof for and against karma for example.) Ohhh wait. Atheist as in irreligious or atheist as in doesn't believe in god.

I thought you could only be an atheist if you are logical? While its not that big a leap in logic to claim that an invisible all powerful being which controls everything but we never find proof of the existence of doesn't actually exists, to disregard all the other more spiritual system religions such as buddhism with its karma, confucianism and Taoism with its ying and yang would be harder due to their nature (you could easily find proof for and against karma for example.) Ohhh wait. Atheist as in irreligious or atheist as in doesn't believe in god.

lyeti

That's not true, atheists can be as illogical, irrational or down right ignorant as anybody else.
However, many atheists also seem to be skeptic or rationalist, but that's not a prerequisite.

You can be an atheist and believe in ghosts for example, but I personally don't know many that do.

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I thought you could only be an atheist if you are logical? While its not that big a leap in logic to claim that an invisible all powerful being which controls everything but we never find proof of the existence of doesn't actually exists, to disregard all the other more spiritual system religions such as buddhism with its karma, confucianism and Taoism with its ying and yang would be harder due to their nature (you could easily find proof for and against karma for example.) Ohhh wait. Atheist as in irreligious or atheist as in doesn't believe in god.

TheFlush

That's not true, atheists can be as illogical, irrational or down right ignorant as anybody else.
However, many atheists also seem to be skeptic or rationalist, but that's not a prerequisite.

You can be an atheist and believe in ghosts for example, but I personally don't know many that do.

a true atheists knows and understands to the fullest extent what his logic and effectively the evidence he recognises means for anything spirital (basically; no proof of any sort = no existence.) I am saying that the OP doesn't seem to understand his "atheism" too well and therefor neither can he hope to judge other's.

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[QUOTE="lyeti"]

I thought you could only be an atheist if you are logical? While its not that big a leap in logic to claim that an invisible all powerful being which controls everything but we never find proof of the existence of doesn't actually exists, to disregard all the other more spiritual system religions such as buddhism with its karma, confucianism and Taoism with its ying and yang would be harder due to their nature (you could easily find proof for and against karma for example.) Ohhh wait. Atheist as in irreligious or atheist as in doesn't believe in god.

lyeti

That's not true, atheists can be as illogical, irrational or down right ignorant as anybody else.
However, many atheists also seem to be skeptic or rationalist, but that's not a prerequisite.

You can be an atheist and believe in ghosts for example, but I personally don't know many that do.

a true atheists knows and understands to the fullest extent what his logic and effectively the evidence he recognises means for anything spirital (basically; no proof of any sort = no existence.) I am saying that the OP doesn't seem to understand his "atheism" too well and therefor neither can he hope to judge other's.

I actually disagree with that. An atheist has a lack of belief in god, whether that lack comes from logical thinking or some irrational theory is irrelevant.

1. Artistic preferences =/= beliefs regarding the existence of something.

2. Your strawman is wrong, the atheists's equivalent answer would be "I don't have a favourite genre of music".

3. The existence of music is verified and proven and has been so since it existed. I know this because my computer is playing a song that anyone not deaf would be able to perceive and observe if they got close enough (in fact, the existence of the sound necessitates the acknowledgement of the existence of music, because that's what we categorized the sound as), and any other computer or dedicated media device with the required components can replicate this for all to hear. God hasn't quite reached this level of "evidence".

4. Listening to music usually doesn't entail radical lifestyle changes and participation in rituals.

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[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

That's not true, atheists can be as illogical, irrational or down right ignorant as anybody else.
However, many atheists also seem to be skeptic or rationalist, but that's not a prerequisite.

You can be an atheist and believe in ghosts for example, but I personally don't know many that do.

TheFlush

a true atheists knows and understands to the fullest extent what his logic and effectively the evidence he recognises means for anything spirital (basically; no proof of any sort = no existence.) I am saying that the OP doesn't seem to understand his "atheism" too well and therefor neither can he hope to judge other's.

I actually disagree with that. An atheist has a lack of belief in god, whether that lack comes from logical thinking or some irrational theory is irrelevant.

okay you got me there. but it actually is relevant; the logical and empirical thinking is what separates a theist from an atheist. If it was due to an irrational theory then the "atheist" is merely following a religion of not believing in god, which is what the OP seems to say.

Religion is the belief and worship of one or more deities.

Atheism is the rejection of the concept of the super-natural (which includes deities).

If only I had a dollar for everytime I had to explain this.

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[QUOTE="lyeti"]

a true atheists knows and understands to the fullest extent what his logic and effectively the evidence he recognises means for anything spirital (basically; no proof of any sort = no existence.) I am saying that the OP doesn't seem to understand his "atheism" too well and therefor neither can he hope to judge other's.

lyeti

I actually disagree with that. An atheist has a lack of belief in god, whether that lack comes from logical thinking or some irrational theory is irrelevant.

okay you got me there. but it actually is relevant; the logical and empirical thinking is what separates a theist from an atheist. If it was due to an irrational theory then the "atheist" is merely following a religion of not believing in god, which is what the OP seems to say.

Not necessarily, a true atheist is just someone that doesn't believe in gods. It is true that many atheists became one because of rational thinking. Science and rational thinking are often linked to atheism, but they are no conditions to be atheist.

Just like you cannot say that you have to be liberal, socialist, pro-choice, pro-gay etc. to claim that you are atheist.

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I am SO against ALL religion... I Do not believe in a god, I'm not for it or agaist it. I will not tell something dose exist or not exist. People want to believe in a god because they want someone to love them all ways and protect them spiritual.

Religion was created by man to do their dirty work in the name of a god.

Religion is the belief and worship of one or more deities.

Atheism is the rejection of the concept of the super-natural (which includes deities).

If only I had a dollar for everytime I had to explain this.

Vesica_Prime

That's actually incorrect, since there are atheistic religions like buddhism and scientology.

Damn, everyone on hear speaks as if its a religion. Damn the fact Im never off gamespot >.>

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Religion is the belief and worship of one or more deities.

Atheism is the rejection of the concept of the super-natural (which includes deities).

If only I had a dollar for everytime I had to explain this.

TheFlush

That's actually incorrect, since there are atheistic religions like buddhism and scientology.

That doesn't matter, inless the atheist declares they are part of one of those followings.. The atheist can not automatically be assumed to being in a religion.

Music exists.

hakanakumono

What about those who beleive in an entity equal to that of a creative energy/force, but not necessarily the judgemental and hypocritical fatherly figure that comes to mind with the word "god", what are they called?

Not all comparisons are the same. Comparing religion and music isn't really a good comparison.

What I will argue, however, is that atheism is a belief that transitions itself into other areas of life. In other words, Atheism is also a belief can radically effect how a person answers various questions about life. In that sense, some can validly argue that atheism is an informal religion - though a religion that does not have a formal doctrine of beliefs or any set creeds.mindstorm

How is it a religion?

It doesn't have any world view, or even any "followers." All atheism is, is a rejection of claims of God's existence.

Atheism is not a religion. It's more of a philosophy than anything else. People who claim that Atheism is a religion are essentially claiming that it's impossible not to conform to a religion. That's not the case. Clicky.

How is it a religion?

It doesn't have any world view, or even any "followers." All atheism is, is a rejection of claims of God's existence.

BuryMe

people just WANT to make it a religion so that they can then try to point out some hypocrisy these religious zealots want to create to make the atheist seem loony for rejecting religion with it's claims of god, while at the same time joining a religion of no beliefs.

it's just you

Maybe its just me... firefluff3

I guess you would say im "atheist", I dont belive in god.

But saying someone who doesnt believe in god is atheist is like saying this -

Someone doesnt listen to music at all, someone asks what their favourite music genre is and they reply with "My favourite genre is not listening to music"

Maybe its just me... Thoughts?

EDIT: Spelling mistake

firefluff3

Uh.. what? It isn't a religion. Your music example falls short. Most people would say "I don't have a favoirite genre of music" or "I don't listen to music." Just like how some poeple don't have a favorite nascar driver. You wouldn't say "My favourite nascar driver is no nascar driver."

Music exists.

hakanakumono

+1

I guess you would say im "atheist", I dont belive in god.

But saying someone who doesnt believe in god is atheist is like saying this -

Someone doesnt listen to music at all, someone asks what their favourite music genre is and they reply with "My favourite genre is not listening to music"

Maybe its just me... Thoughts?

EDIT: Spelling mistake

firefluff3

It's not hard to google this and get definitions, you know. Atheism is THE LACK OF BELIEF IN A GOD. That is it. By saying atheism is stupid you are saying that the lack of belief in a god is stupid, and since you said yourself that you do not believe in a god, you are saying your own belief is stupid.Harkat95

I really dislike classifying atheism as such, technically then a child might be atheist, someone who hasn't been exposed to religion in youth is atheist. Personally, I arrived at the views that I hold now through introspection and contemplation same as anyone who found religion after not being born into it, I expect my belief system to hold just as much credibility and respect as anyone else's.

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Music exists.

LJS9502_basic

It's not a a question of whether religion exits. It's a question of whetherGod exists.