Atheism or Religion?

Atheism makes no logical sense, it's believing that nothing started the universe, that everything came out of nothing.ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Atheism makes no logical sense, it's believing that nothing started the universe, that everything came out of nothing.Zeviander

It is not the truth, you think it is but you cannot prove that there is no God just like I cannot prove there is. It both requires faith, and I don't like it how you assume that being an atheist makes you more intelligent, there are plenty of very intelligent religious people. You are not better than anyone else, you probably are not smarter than anyone else either, sorry to break you bubble.

The difference between us is that I see the world as broken, but with hope. I have faith in a higher power and believe in a purpose, we exist for a reason. And when we die I will die happy beliving in God and an after life and that I lived my life being a good person. You will die sad beliving that it's all over for you. Your loved one's, your wife, your kids, your parents and friends, they lived and died for nothing in your eyes.

Look I'm not trying to judge you, I have no right to do so. But the way you see life isn't very good, and IMO it's not very realistic.

Whatever drives you, honestly. I understand how religion has lead to both positive and negative side effects, which could start an entire new topic altogether that I really don't care to get into, but taking that out of the equation, believe in (or don't) whatever it is that gives you a greater sense of being, living, purpose, etc.

Personally, I'm not religious, and I haven't been since my parents would drag me to church as a kid. Even to the sense of debunking it (atheism), that plays such an insignificant role in my life. I really don't spend much time at all nowadays thinking about the existence of God or not.

Suzy_Q_Kazoo

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]That's funny because I find it laughable that people don't believe in God or an after life, or judgment for thier actions. Atheism makes no logical sense, it's believing that nothing started the universe, that everything came out of nothing.ShadowMoses900

But scientists aren't saying that everything originated out of nothing. What they are saying is that everything started with the Big Bang.

Also take a look at the book A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing

Also empty space isn't nothing. Nothing as complete absense of anything has never been observed in science. Take a lot at that video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD5tBIqJU4U

I know about science, believe me. I have no problem with Evolution or the Big Bang Theory, I belive in them.

However you are not looking at the big picture, see where did the Big Bang come from? How did it start? What put the necessary elements there? Where did these elements come from to begin with? Why do they exist? How did the process of evolution start? As in what made it? Where did it come from?

You see in the end it all points back at a higher power. One can believe in God and science btw, they are not enemies at all. I am religious and I like science.

Coincedence. Look it up.

I'm a Catholic Priest. I like little boys.

Omni-Wrath

at least acne has the courtesy to wait until you're 13 years old before it comes on your face

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But scientists aren't saying that everything originated out of nothing. What they are saying is that everything started with the Big Bang.

Also take a look at the book A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing

Also empty space isn't nothing. Nothing as complete absense of anything has never been observed in science. Take a lot at that video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD5tBIqJU4U

Goyoshi12

I know about science, believe me. I have no problem with Evolution or the Big Bang Theory, I belive in them.

However you are not looking at the big picture, see where did the Big Bang come from? How did it start? What put the necessary elements there? Where did these elements come from to begin with? Why do they exist? How did the process of evolution start? As in what made it? Where did it come from?

You see in the end it all points back at a higher power. One can believe in God and science btw, they are not enemies at all. I am religious and I like science.

Coincedence. Look it up.

That doesn't answer my questions. Where did these things start from? Where did these processes, elements, bonds etc...the very fiber of things, where did it come from? It is illogical to believe it started from nothing.

Atheism is like living in a cave and not beliving in the sun, maybe you have never seen it, maybe you have never been outside before, but that doesn't mean the sun doesn't exist.

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I know about science, believe me. I have no problem with Evolution or the Big Bang Theory, I belive in them.

However you are not looking at the big picture, see where did the Big Bang come from? How did it start? What put the necessary elements there? Where did these elements come from to begin with? Why do they exist? How did the process of evolution start? As in what made it? Where did it come from?

You see in the end it all points back at a higher power. One can believe in God and science btw, they are not enemies at all. I am religious and I like science.

ShadowMoses900

Coincedence. Look it up.

That doesn't answer my questions. Where did these things start from? Where did these processes, elements, bonds etc...the very fiber of things, where did it come from? It is illogical to believe it started from nothing.

Atheism is like living in a cave and not beliving in the sun, maybe you have never seen it, maybe you have never been outside before, but that doesn't mean the sun doesn't exist.

a basic astronomy/physics education: You have none.

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Coincedence. Look it up.

wis3boi

That doesn't answer my questions. Where did these things start from? Where did these processes, elements, bonds etc...the very fiber of things, where did it come from? It is illogical to believe it started from nothing.

Atheism is like living in a cave and not beliving in the sun, maybe you have never seen it, maybe you have never been outside before, but that doesn't mean the sun doesn't exist.

a basic astronomy/physics education: You have none.

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[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

Coincedence. Look it up.

wis3boi

That doesn't answer my questions. Where did these things start from? Where did these processes, elements, bonds etc...the very fiber of things, where did it come from? It is illogical to believe it started from nothing.

Atheism is like living in a cave and not beliving in the sun, maybe you have never seen it, maybe you have never been outside before, but that doesn't mean the sun doesn't exist.

a basic astronomy/physics education: You have none.

Stop being such a condencending pr!ck to me so much. You guys talk all big in your little militant atheist hit squad, but the reality is you are no better than anyone else.

You just have numbers on here to back you up, that's all. If this place had a bigger religious community you guys wouldn't act the way you do towards us. I have nothing against atheists, but you seem to have something against religious people.

I don't think I'm better or smarter than atheists, I see them as equals, you however do not, you look down on us. And that's just wrong.

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

That doesn't answer my questions. Where did these things start from? Where did these processes, elements, bonds etc...the very fiber of things, where did it come from? It is illogical to believe it started from nothing.

Atheism is like living in a cave and not beliving in the sun, maybe you have never seen it, maybe you have never been outside before, but that doesn't mean the sun doesn't exist.

ShadowMoses900

a basic astronomy/physics education: You have none.

Stop being such a condencending pr!ck to me so much. You guys talk all big in your little militant atheist hit squad, but the reality is you are no better than anyone else.

You just have numbers on here to back you up, that's all. If this place had a bigger religious community you guys wouldn't act the way you do towards us. I have nothing against atheists, but you seem to have something against religious people.

I don't think I'm better or smarter than atheists, I see them as equals, you however do not, you look down on us. And that's just wrong.

>I have nothing against atheists

>has already constructed his idea of a "militant atheist hit squad"

Something seems fishy here.

It is not the truth, you think it is but you cannot prove that there is no God just like I cannot prove there is.ShadowMoses900

It both requires faith, and I don't like it how you assume that being an atheist makes you more intelligent, there are plenty of very intelligent religious people.ShadowMoses900

You are not better than anyone else, you probably are not smarter than anyone else either, sorry to break you bubble.ShadowMoses900

The difference between us is that I see the world as broken, but with hope. I have faith in a higher power and believe in a purpose, we exist for a reason. And when we die I will die happy beliving in God and an after life and that I lived my life being a good person. You will die sad beliving that it's all over for you. Your loved one's, your wife, your kids, your parents and friends, they lived and died for nothing in your eyes.ShadowMoses900

Look I'm not trying to judge you, I have no right to do so. But the way you see life isn't very good, and IMO it's not very realistic.ShadowMoses900

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That doesn't answer my questions. Where did these things start from? Where did these processes, elements, bonds etc...the very fiber of things, where did it come from? It is illogical to believe it started from nothing.

Atheism is like living in a cave and not beliving in the sun, maybe you have never seen it, maybe you have never been outside before, but that doesn't mean the sun doesn't exist.

ShadowMoses900

a basic astronomy/physics education: You have none.

Stop being such a condencending pr!ck to me so much. You guys talk all big in your little militant atheist hit squad, but the reality is you are no better than anyone else.

You just have numbers on here to back you up, that's all. If this place had a bigger religious community you guys wouldn't act the way you do towards us. I have nothing against atheists, but you seem to have something against religious people.

I don't think I'm better or smarter than atheists, I see them as equals, you however do not, you look down on us. And that's just wrong.

I will give you that, however; there are quite a few atheists out there that act like real Grade A pretentious pr!cks.

That's not to say religious people don't act like that as well but I've seen quite a few atheists after atheists just shoot down a religious person's opinions simply because he's religious and they shoot them down pretty hard.

I wish there were more people who didn't accept that God existed but didn't bash anyone for that belief. It really doesn't make them look good.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]It is not the truth, you think it is but you cannot prove that there is no God just like I cannot prove there is.Zeviander

It both requires faith, and I don't like it how you assume that being an atheist makes you more intelligent, there are plenty of very intelligent religious people.ShadowMoses900

You are not better than anyone else, you probably are not smarter than anyone else either, sorry to break you bubble.ShadowMoses900

The difference between us is that I see the world as broken, but with hope. I have faith in a higher power and believe in a purpose, we exist for a reason. And when we die I will die happy beliving in God and an after life and that I lived my life being a good person. You will die sad beliving that it's all over for you. Your loved one's, your wife, your kids, your parents and friends, they lived and died for nothing in your eyes.ShadowMoses900

Look I'm not trying to judge you, I have no right to do so. But the way you see life isn't very good, and IMO it's not very realistic.ShadowMoses900

I'm not sure you are as intelligent as you think you are.....

Agnostic

Oh and lol

Relax it's a joke, though it certainly applies to some of you.

I'm not sure you are as intelligent as you think you are.....ShadowMoses900

I'm not sure you are as intelligent as you think you are.....

ShadowMoses900

You are not helping your case.

Relax it's a joke, though it certainly applies to some of you.OB-47

[QUOTE="OB-47"]Relax it's a joke, though it certainly applies to some of you.Zeviander

The video is simply making fun of the stupid types of atheist's. If you are not one of them, it shouldn't offend you. These people go out of their way to act like idiots. I have seen several examples of the Facebook ownage type for example.

This wasn't aimed at you at all.

The video is simply making fun of the stupid types of atheist's. If you are not one of them, it shouldn't offend you. These people go out of their way to act like idiots. I have seen several examples of the Facebook ownage type for example.This wasn't aimed at you at all.OB-47

[QUOTE="OB-47"]The video is simply making fun of the stupid types of atheist's. If you are not one of them, it shouldn't offend you. These people go out of their way to act like idiots. I have seen several examples of the Facebook ownage type for example.This wasn't aimed at you at all.Zeviander

Yeah and Gamespot is rife with them.

Though it also has it's fair share of religious toolbags

I don't really have any religious education to speak of at all but I don't really care that much anyway.

It's like not liking knitting without taking knitting classes.

Yeah and Gamespot is rife with them.OB-47

I don't really have any religious education to speak of at all but I don't really care that much anyway.THE_DRUGGIE

[QUOTE="OB-47"]Yeah and Gamespot is rife with them.Zeviander

Fair enough. My recent time here is mostly because I'm being forced to study for my last exams (Yes I am one of those 14-18 year olds) but procrasinating a lot lol. It's sad though how the internet breeds people who aquire a little knowledge and act like they know everything. Somehow the wealth of info on the internet generally creates even more ignorance.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]I don't really have any religious education to speak of at all but I don't really care that much anyway.Zeviander

I just don't believe in mystic stuff.

It's sad though how the internet breeds people who aquire a little knowledge and act like they know everything. Somehow the wealth of info on the internet generally creates even more ignorance.OB-47

I just don't believe in mystic stuff.THE_DRUGGIE

[QUOTE="OB-47"]It's sad though how the internet breeds people who aquire a little knowledge and act like they know everything. Somehow the wealth of info on the internet generally creates even more ignorance.Zeviander

Ah that's quite interesting. Sounds like you know your stuff.

Oh and that last bit. Don't waste your life waiting for that lol

[QUOTE="OB-47"]It's sad though how the internet breeds people who aquire a little knowledge and act like they know everything. Somehow the wealth of info on the internet generally creates even more ignorance.Zeviander

What about the opposite of that? Like being an Atheist just because everyone else is. What about that?

Assuming this entity is eternal and before the universe, it seems unlikely that this indifferent deity would even create the world in the first place.Philokalia

An indifferent God is actually the same as there not being a God therefore this kind of argument is really **** when you think about it.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="OB-47"]It's sad though how the internet breeds people who aquire a little knowledge and act like they know everything. Somehow the wealth of info on the internet generally creates even more ignorance.Goyoshi12

What about the opposite of that? Like being an Atheist just because everyone else is. What about that?

it's a hell of a lot better than being whatever religion your parents are just because that's what they taught you

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[QUOTE="Zeviander"] It's because of the instant-gratification complex. I used to fall into this a lot several years ago when I first stated going online and discussing these topics.wis3boi

What about the opposite of that? Like being an Atheist just because everyone else is. What about that?

it's a hell of a lot better than being whatever religion your parents are just because that's what they taught you

They didn't teach me anything. They just believed in god, that was it. They didn't pray every night before bed, they didn't pray at meal times, they didn't go to church, they just believed in a higher power, not even god even but just something..."bigger" and that was it; they didn't make a huge deal out of it.

Anyways, so what you're saying is that I shouldn't be myself but instead should give into peer pressure and be someone else's personal image?

Lovely.

Just wondering what people's views are on the excistence of a god. Personally, I don't believe in God and can't comprehend why people believe it, but I'm here to see everyones opinion.

So post away!

PunkStream

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What about the opposite of that? Like being an Atheist just because everyone else is. What about that?

Goyoshi12

it's a hell of a lot better than being whatever religion your parents are just because that's what they taught you

They didn't teach me anything. They just believed in god, that was it. They didn't pray every night before bed, they didn't pray at meal times, they didn't go to church, they just believed in a higher power, not even god even but just something..."bigger" and that was it; they didn't make a huge deal out of it.

Anyways, so what you're saying is that I shouldn't be myself but instead should give into peer pressure and be someone else's personal image?

Lovely.

I've said nothing of the sort, you pulled that out the air

Religion is fine once its got nothing to do with politics or policy, the bad part uis that religious people insist on pushing their view on current society even though the views are thousands of years old and don't work in todays world.

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it's a hell of a lot better than being whatever religion your parents are just because that's what they taught you

wis3boi

They didn't teach me anything. They just believed in god, that was it. They didn't pray every night before bed, they didn't pray at meal times, they didn't go to church, they just believed in a higher power, not even god even but just something..."bigger" and that was it; they didn't make a huge deal out of it.

Anyways, so what you're saying is that I shouldn't be myself but instead should give into peer pressure and be someone else's personal image?

Lovely.

I've said nothing of the sort, you pulled that out the air

Assumptions. I assumed that when you said "it's a hell of a lot better than being whatever religion your parents are just because that's what they taught you" I thought you meant that it was better to be an atheist rather than be religious no matter whether you were born one or became one simply because you felt that you had to be one to be accepted by others.

My bad.

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[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

They didn't teach me anything. They just believed in god, that was it. They didn't pray every night before bed, they didn't pray at meal times, they didn't go to church, they just believed in a higher power, not even god even but just something..."bigger" and that was it; they didn't make a huge deal out of it.

Anyways, so what you're saying is that I shouldn't be myself but instead should give into peer pressure and be someone else's personal image?

Lovely.

Goyoshi12

I've said nothing of the sort, you pulled that out the air

Assumptions. I assumed that when you said "it's a hell of a lot better than being whatever religion your parents are just because that's what they taught you" I thought you meant that it was better to be an atheist rather than be religious no matter whether you were born one or became one simply because you felt that you had to be one to be accepted by others.

My bad.

The vast majority of people's religions come from their parents, and many never question it, even the vaguely religions folk...they just take what they were born into and leave it at that instead of exploring. Hence why I said what I did

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I've said nothing of the sort, you pulled that out the air

wis3boi

Assumptions. I assumed that when you said "it's a hell of a lot better than being whatever religion your parents are just because that's what they taught you" I thought you meant that it was better to be an atheist rather than be religious no matter whether you were born one or became one simply because you felt that you had to be one to be accepted by others.

My bad.

The vast majority of people's religions come from their parents, and many never question it, even the vaguely religions folk...they just take what they were born into and leave it at that instead of exploring. Hence why I said what I did

Maybe because they never really give a $#!+ and it doesn't affect them in any way if their religious or not? Just a thought.

That doesn't answer my questions. Where did these things start from? Where did these processes, elements, bonds etc...the very fiber of things, where did it come from? It is illogical to believe it started from nothing.

Atheism is like living in a cave and not beliving in the sun, maybe you have never seen it, maybe you have never been outside before, but that doesn't mean the sun doesn't exist.

ShadowMoses900

If you were being honest then the only reasonable conclusion would be that there are no answers to those questions (yet). Just because we have no answers to certain questions doesn't mean that you can just insert some god into that gap of knowledge. We simply don't know. Nobody is saying that there's absolutely no god, but in reality there's nothing that points in that direction. It's up to the one making the positive claim, to prove it exists, not the other way around. And such extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. And even if it can be proven that all of this is the work of some god, we still don't know which god of what religion.

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[QUOTE="Zeviander"] It's because of the instant-gratification complex. I used to fall into this a lot several years ago when I first stated going online and discussing these topics.wis3boi

What about the opposite of that? Like being an Atheist just because everyone else is. What about that?

it's a hell of a lot better than being whatever religion your parents are just because that's what they taught you

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

I've said nothing of the sort, you pulled that out the air

wis3boi

Assumptions. I assumed that when you said "it's a hell of a lot better than being whatever religion your parents are just because that's what they taught you" I thought you meant that it was better to be an atheist rather than be religious no matter whether you were born one or became one simply because you felt that you had to be one to be accepted by others.

My bad.

The vast majority of people's religions come from their parents, and many never question it, even the vaguely religions folk...they just take what they were born into and leave it at that instead of exploring. Hence why I said what I did

The vaguely religious folk go about their life largely the same way atheists do though. I don't see a problem

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[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

What about the opposite of that? Like being an Atheist just because everyone else is. What about that?

ShadowsDemon

it's a hell of a lot better than being whatever religion your parents are just because that's what they taught you

One of the lucky few :)

Religious beliefs are just opinions. I hate it when people try to hide behind their religion when they say horrible things.

I hate going to church, fortunately I have the option not to go now. If I had my choice of either going to church or spending one night in jail, I'd choose the latter (but I think it's only because I've never been to jail before and I'm really curious to see what its like...)Captain52

Lots of group sex, its fun.

Religion is fine once its got nothing to do with politics or policy, the bad part uis that religious people insist on pushing their view on current society even though the views are thousands of years old and don't work in todays world.

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