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Now I know that alot of you are thinking to yourselves "Oh no you didn't!!!" But just hear me out. Lets say that the Christian God doesn't exist. Ad someone has been a strong believing christian all of their life, and then they die. And instead of going to heaven, they just cease to be existing. In every sense of the word. Okay now lets say that their is a christian God, and everything in The Bible does exist. And someone is an atheist, so when they die they face the horrors of hell for eternity. Do you get my point now? Is it worth it?

Let me explain this from a different approach. Lets say your'e taking the SAT, or ACT. And you have a minute left, but you have one passage to read, and six more questions. Your'e not going to leave those questions blank, are you? No, not if youre smart. Your'e going to guess on the six, and not read the passage. Because if you don't answer it, your'e going to automatically get those questions wrong. But if you gues you have a 1/4 chance of getting it right. So pick a religion, and hope that it's the right one. Besides, what're the chances that everything in the universe came to be from a massive explosion?

And just because I used Christianity as an example, that doesn't mean that I'm trying to convert you to Christianity, I only used it as an example, so don't flame me for that.

Discuss.

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#2 vlin1108
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Hmm... no.
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#3 Teenaged
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I laughed at the title... :lol:
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#4 Shad0ki11
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The hardest thing to change about a person is their ideology.
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#5 BobbyTurkalino
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Nobody needs a religion.
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They deduct points if you guess incorrectly . . . :|
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Now I know that alot of you are thinking to yourselves "Oh no you didn't!!!" But just hear me out. Lets say that the Christian God doesn't exist. Ad someone has been a strong believing christian all of their life, and then they die. And instead of going to heaven, they just cease to be existing. In every sense of the word. Okay now lets say that their is a christian God, and everything in The Bible does exist. And someone is an atheist, so when they die they face the horrors of hell for eternity. Do you get my point now? Is it worth it?

Let me explain this from a different approach. Lets say your'e taking the SAT, or ACT. And you have a minute left, but you have one passage to read, and six more questions. Your'e not going to leave those questions blank, are you? No, not if youre smart. Your'e going to guess on the six, and not read the passage. Because if you don't answer it, your'e going to automatically get those questions wrong. But if you gues you have a 1/4 chance of getting it right. So pick a religion, and hope that it's the right one. Besides, what're the chances that everything in the universe came to be from a massive explosion?

And just because I used Christianity as an example, that doesn't mean that I'm trying to convert you to Christianity, I only used it as an example, so don't flame me for that.

Discuss.

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I heard the opposite, that blank answers aren't counted as either right or wrong. But wrong answers are wrong.

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This is assuming that there is a 50% chance of the Bible being fact, which isn't the case, if you know what I mean.
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#9 boshlonavish
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I don't think I want to follow someone who sends someone to go burn in a lake of fire for the rest of eternity just because they don't believe in them.
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The hardest thing to change about a person is their ideology. Shad0ki11
I know, but still. I have an atheist friend, and I'm worried about him. Which is why I made the topic.
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#11 II-FBIsniper-II
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I'm pretty sure they tell you to leave answers you aren't sure about blank instead of guessing on the SAT's...
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Pascal's Wager = for the lose.
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#13 Cloud_Insurance
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What is the point of following a religion if you don't actually have faith in it? Would it save you from hell?
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I'm pretty sure they tell you to leave answers you aren't sure about blank instead of guessing on the SAT's...II-FBIsniper-II
Well I know that one of those tests you automatically get deducted points for not leaving an answer, but I wasn't sure which. So thats why I used both of them.
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#15 comp_atkins
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uh.. no. i'm not gonna spend my days bowing to the southeast and fasting for a month every year in hopes that i picked the right religion...

  • me: " hey god, i'm dead now and i followed all your crazy rules. its paradise time right?
  • god: "oh.. sorry... the correct religion was zoroastionism.. you burn!"
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#16 Xeros606
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believe in something doesnt work like that.
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[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]The hardest thing to change about a person is their ideology. -Big_Red-
I know, but still. I have an atheist friend, and I'm worried about him. Which is why I made the topic.

Your friend probably made the best choice for himself. No need to feel worried about that.

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[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]The hardest thing to change about a person is their ideology. -Big_Red-
I know, but still. I have an atheist friend, and I'm worried about him. Which is why I made the topic.

How does an atheist feel that he risks anything if he's not religious?
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#19 Zerocrossings
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Pretending to have a religion so you wont go to hell :lol:

I dont think god would like that.

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#20 GabuEx
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We already had a huge topic on this. Beliefs are not something that you pick out of a closet when you wake up in the morning; they are the culmination of one's both conscious and subconscious examination of the evidence available in determining the likeliest option. Quite frankly I find the view rather offensive that something as fundamental to a human's very being as their beliefs ought to be treated as nothing more than a cosmic wager.

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Now I know that alot of you are thinking to yourselves "Oh no you didn't!!!" But just hear me out. Lets say that the Christian God doesn't exist. Ad someone has been a strong believing christian all of their life, and then they die. And instead of going to heaven, they just cease to be existing. In every sense of the word. Okay now lets say that their is a christian God, and everything in The Bible does exist. And someone is an atheist, so when they die they face the horrors of hell for eternity. Do you get my point now? Is it worth it?

Let me explain this from a different approach. Lets say your'e taking the SAT, or ACT. And you have a minute left, but you have one passage to read, and six more questions. Your'e not going to leave those questions blank, are you? No, not if youre smart. Your'e going to guess on the six, and not read the passage. Because if you don't answer it, your'e going to automatically get those questions wrong. But if you gues you have a 1/4 chance of getting it right. So pick a religion, and hope that it's the right one. Besides, what're the chances that everything in the universe came to be from a massive explosion?

And just because I used Christianity as an example, that doesn't mean that I'm trying to convert you to Christianity, I only used it as an example, so don't flame me for that.

Discuss.

-Big_Red-

By that logic you should convert to every known religion.

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#22 jasperrussell
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you know, that would be really clever.... if it was clever. :|

Don't you think God would know if you're just pretending?

oh, and if you don't believe in god, you have no reason to "take a chance" now do you. Unless you find it hard to believe people actually don't believe in God.

also, have you ever heard of a "false analogy" - that's what your SAT test comparison is.

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Pascal's Wager = for the lose.
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Lets say your'e taking the SAT, or ACT. And you have a minute left, but you have one passage to read, and six more questions. Your'e not going to leave those questions blank, are you? No, not if youre smart.

-Big_Red-

Yes I would. Apparently you haven't taken the SAT because if you get a question wrong it count against you. But if you leave it blank it doesn't hurt your grade. Next time you use an analogy make sure it actually does not go against your argument.

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#25 Shad0ki11
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

Now I know that alot of you are thinking to yourselves "Oh no you didn't!!!" But just hear me out. Lets say that the Christian God doesn't exist. Ad someone has been a strong believing christian all of their life, and then they die. And instead of going to heaven, they just cease to be existing. In every sense of the word. Okay now lets say that their is a christian God, and everything in The Bible does exist. And someone is an atheist, so when they die they face the horrors of hell for eternity. Do you get my point now? Is it worth it?

Let me explain this from a different approach. Lets say your'e taking the SAT, or ACT. And you have a minute left, but you have one passage to read, and six more questions. Your'e not going to leave those questions blank, are you? No, not if youre smart. Your'e going to guess on the six, and not read the passage. Because if you don't answer it, your'e going to automatically get those questions wrong. But if you gues you have a 1/4 chance of getting it right. So pick a religion, and hope that it's the right one. Besides, what're the chances that everything in the universe came to be from a massive explosion?

And just because I used Christianity as an example, that doesn't mean that I'm trying to convert you to Christianity, I only used it as an example, so don't flame me for that.

Discuss.

Frattracide

By that logic you should convert to every known religion.

That would create an entirely new religion in the process.

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uh.. no. i'm not gonna spend my days bowing to the southeast and fasting for a month every year in hopes that i picked the right religion... me: " hey god, i'm dead now and i followed all your crazy rules. its paradise time right?" god: "oh.. sorry... the correct religion was zoroastionism.. you burn!"comp_atkins
I'm pretty sure that their is no God for Zoroastionism, just good and evil. But I could be wrong. And why are you making it sound like that, who says that you must fast, anyway I'm not going to get into that. But you'll still burn if your an atheists. Why won't you give yourself a fighting chance?
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[QUOTE="Frattracide"][QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

Now I know that alot of you are thinking to yourselves "Oh no you didn't!!!" But just hear me out. Lets say that the Christian God doesn't exist. Ad someone has been a strong believing christian all of their life, and then they die. And instead of going to heaven, they just cease to be existing. In every sense of the word. Okay now lets say that their is a christian God, and everything in The Bible does exist. And someone is an atheist, so when they die they face the horrors of hell for eternity. Do you get my point now? Is it worth it?

Let me explain this from a different approach. Lets say your'e taking the SAT, or ACT. And you have a minute left, but you have one passage to read, and six more questions. Your'e not going to leave those questions blank, are you? No, not if youre smart. Your'e going to guess on the six, and not read the passage. Because if you don't answer it, your'e going to automatically get those questions wrong. But if you gues you have a 1/4 chance of getting it right. So pick a religion, and hope that it's the right one. Besides, what're the chances that everything in the universe came to be from a massive explosion?

And just because I used Christianity as an example, that doesn't mean that I'm trying to convert you to Christianity, I only used it as an example, so don't flame me for that.

Discuss.

By that logic you should convert to every known religion.

Why are you being foolish? You and I both know that you cannot convert to every known religion.
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This thread made me convert to Scientology.
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Beyond even the fact that humans can't choose what to believe, another fatal flaw in Pascal's Wager is that there could very well be a deity who sends people to hell who attempted to believed in things just for their own salvation, but sends people to heaven if they were true to themselves and to their beliefs. Pascal's Wager is just totally bad through and through.

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Ah, never mind. The TC is quite obviously trolling you all now.
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I don't think I want to follow someone who sends someone to go burn in a lake of fire for the rest of eternity just because they don't believe in them.boshlonavish
Hey, I didn't say pick christianity? Now did I?
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[QUOTE="boshlonavish"]I don't think I want to follow someone who sends someone to go burn in a lake of fire for the rest of eternity just because they don't believe in them.-Big_Red-
Hey, I didn't say pick christianity? Now did I?

You implied it.

The belief in Hell goes hand-in-hand with Abrahamic religions.

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Why are you being foolish? You and I both know that you cannot convert to every known religion.-Big_Red-

I don't think you thought your logic all the way through.

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What is the point of following a religion if you don't actually have faith in it? Would it save you from hell?Cloud_Insurance
I made this topic to persuade people Ideology, to become a Musilm, or a Christian , or a Buddhists. Not to.... Pretend.
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By that logic you should convert to every known religion.

Frattracide
There's videos of a guy on youtube trying to do just that. Apparently he prays a lot.
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We already had a huge topic on this. Beliefs are not something that you pick out of a closet when you wake up in the morning; they are the culmination of one's both conscious and subconscious examination of the evidence available in determining the likeliest option. Quite frankly I find the view rather offensive that something as fundamental to a human's very being as their beliefs ought to be treated as nothing more than a cosmic wager.

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Very well put, this post should end the thread.
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] Why are you being foolish? You and I both know that you cannot convert to every known religion.Frattracide

I don't think you thought your logic all the way through.

I know I didn't It seems like I had to type "actually believe the religion" . I didn;t know that this many gamespotters lacked so much common sense.
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[QUOTE="Frattracide"]

By that logic you should convert to every known religion.

Tylendal
There's videos of a guy on youtube trying to do just that. Apparently he prays a lot.

Yeah, Edward Current is pretty funny.
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="boshlonavish"]I don't think I want to follow someone who sends someone to go burn in a lake of fire for the rest of eternity just because they don't believe in them.Shad0ki11

Hey, I didn't say pick christianity? Now did I?

You implied it.

The belief in Hell goes hand-in-hand with Abrahamic religions.

Didn't I type that I only used that for an example? And asked you people not to flame me? Wow......
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#40 FamiBox
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[QUOTE="Frattracide"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] Why are you being foolish? You and I both know that you cannot convert to every known religion.-Big_Red-

I don't think you thought your logic all the way through.

I know I didn't It seems like I had to type "actually believe the religion" . I didn;t know that this many gamespotters lacked so much common sense.

ohh... the irony.

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Ah, never mind. The TC is quite obviously trolling you all now.vlin1108
Trolling? Trolling? Are you serious?
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[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]What is the point of following a religion if you don't actually have faith in it? Would it save you from hell?-Big_Red-
I made this topic to persuade people Ideology, to become a Musilm, or a Christian , or a Buddhists. Not to.... Pretend.

Yes, but I can look at the facts impartially and logically, so how would I end up whole-heartedly believing in something that to the analytical mind is nothing more than a collection of ludicrously unlikely (read, blatant fiction) fables (or at least the ones that involve super-natural forces)?
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Didn't I type that I only used that for an example? And asked you people not to flame me? Wow......-Big_Red-

The fact that you haven't responded to either of my posts, nor to any other posts questioning your fundamental assumptions, is making me question whether you just made this topic to troll people... and that makes my lock finger twitch. :P

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But if I believe in Christianity and Hellenism is right, I go to the pits of Hades, etcetea ad nauseam. So I believe in what I truly believe. Pascal's Wager presupposes that Christianity is the only possible religious answer.
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]What is the point of following a religion if you don't actually have faith in it? Would it save you from hell?Tylendal
I made this topic to persuade people Ideology, to become a Musilm, or a Christian , or a Buddhists. Not to.... Pretend.

Yes, but I can look at the facts impartially and logically, so how would I end up whole-heartedly believing in something that to the analytical mind is nothing more than a collection of ludicrously unlikely (read, blatant fiction) fables (or at least the ones that involve super-natural forces)?

Well how am I to know that you personally looked at every single religion and decided that each and everyone couldn't possibly be true? Did you?
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Pascal's Wager = for the lose.
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not really, pascal's wager can be a cogent argument, albiet, not an argument for christianity, but probably the best argument imaginable against Atheism. The reason is that there are a very limited number of high utility worldviews, those which promise eternal happiness for those who accept their worldview, and those who promise eternal torment for those who reject said worldview. There are only a limited number of these and of them, Christianity is the most reasonable. But it would be silly to wager on a medium utility worldview (one that promises eternal bliss for everyone) or a non-utilitarian worldview (an annihliationist worldview, those which say that there is no afterlife)
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]Didn't I type that I only used that for an example? And asked you people not to flame me? Wow......GabuEx

The fact that you haven't responded to either of my posts, nor to any other posts questioning your fundamental assumptions, is making me question whether you just made this topic to troll people... and that makes my lock finger twitch. :P

Well for not responding to your post, I'm sorry, there are alot of posts on this topic, and I'm trying my best to reach them all. And I can assure you that I am not trolling, I don't even come here often enough to want to troll. I love gamespot, I don't want to get permanently banned. Aren't I responding to the posts?
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#49 unholymight
Member since 2007 • 3378 Posts

[QUOTE="FamiBox"]Pascal's Wager = for the lose.
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not really, pascal's wager can be a cogent argument, albiet, not an argument for christianity, but probably the best argument imaginable against Atheism. The reason is that there are a very limited number of high utility worldviews, those which promise eternal happiness for those who accept their worldview, and those who promise eternal torment for those who reject said worldview. There are only a limited number of these and of them, Christianity is the most reasonable. But it would be silly to wager on a medium utility worldview (one that promises eternal bliss for everyone) or a non-utilitarian worldview (an annihliationist worldview, those which say that there is no afterlife)

This is only if there were a 50% chance that the Bible is fact, which isn't the case.

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#50 scorch-62
Member since 2006 • 29763 Posts
"everything in The Bible does exist." If that were true, how ever would I decide which creation story to believe? D: