Athiests: Do you hope for a world with no religion?

So, in other words: "I have the evidence, but you have to believe in what I believe to see the evidence"? Umm yea that doesn't work too well. MindFreeze

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I know if I walk into a wall it hurts.

MindFreeze

How do you know that?

Because I did and my head hurt.

So you're relying on memory of past experiences. Memory is the basis of your alleged "knowledge".

But tell me, how do you know human memory is EVER reliable?

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I know if I walk into a wall it hurts.

clicketyclick

How do you know that?

Because I did and my head hurt.

So you're relying on memory of past experiences. Memory is the basis of your alleged "knowledge".

But tell me, how do you know human memory is EVER reliable?

If you are going to play that game, we might as well stop trying to do anything since we wouldn't know if anything we ever do is reliable.

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I know if I walk into a wall it hurts.

MindFreeze

How do you know that?

Because I did and my head hurt.

So you're relying on memory of past experiences. Memory is the basis of your alleged "knowledge".

But tell me, how do you know human memory is EVER reliable?

If you are going to play that game, we might as well stop trying to do anything since we wouldn't know if anything we ever do is reliable.

It's not a "game". It's the most important question in the world. Isn't it true that you cannot so much as prove that your sources of belief and knowledge are even sometimes reliable?

I sure do. I dont like the idea of thinking the universe is some way or created by someone based upon faith. science may not have all the answers yet, but thats what makes science fun.

i also dont advocate government force on this, i would like to see everyone generally give up on gods, demons, devils, angels etc

H8sMikeMoore

You don't get it. There is ALOT more to religion than explaining how the universe came about.

Knowledge is two things 1) What you know and experience 2) What you are taught to know and is accepted by a majority ---If it not accepted, it is false knowledge This is not a game, knowledge has nothing to do with religion, since religion is belief. You can believe that your god is knowledge, but that is something that is still a toss up on whether it is knowledge or not. When I see god, I mean see god, I will become a christian.ForgottenOath

What if I say I know and have experienced what I believe to be true? Just because I have not seen the face of God directly doesn't mean I can't acknowledge his works in my life.

What if I say I know and have experienced what I believe to be true? Just because I have not seen the face of God directly doesn't mean I can't acknowledge his works in my life.

mindstorm

How did you know and experience that God exists?

What's the point of a world without religion?

Come to think of it, I personally see no reason to be atheist.

I dont know... I'm agnostic, and it is really hard to imagine. I would like everyone to at least give it up publicly and respect everyone else's beliefs.

EDIT: I said Atheist: No. Religion is deeply embedded in every society on the face of the Earth. It is too hard to conceive for me.

I don't care...as long as the religious nutjobs stay away from me.

I want a world with freedom of and from religion.

I don't hope for that; I do hope that religious folk will stop trying to evangelise (is that even a word?) atheists/agnostics, though. And I think, if humanity lasts long enough, religion will either die out or become ludicrous due to immense changes in the religion making it too pathetic to take seriously.

That's just one crazy agnostic's thoughts though...

You seem pretty convinced that Atheism is the truth, but it isn't even provable either.-Austin-

We're not dealing with whether atheism is true, we're dealing with whether it's beneficial. Besides which, he could, for all you know, be referring to weak atheism.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]You seem pretty convinced that Atheism is the truth, but it isn't even provable either.Funky_Llama

We're not dealing with whether atheism is true, we're dealing with whether it's beneficial. Besides which, he could, for all you know, be referring to weak atheism.

Probably not, seeing as nobody uses the term weak atheism and most people instead just say, Agnosticism.

No. I think that people should be free to believe whatever they want as along as they don't behave or act negatively with people for holding different beliefs.aliblabla2007

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Pick up a book on Quantum Physics/mechanics, and you will begin to how some values and phenomenon are not only unexplainable, but incalculable and unpredictable. yet, look how well this chaos works out. SO much cannot be explained, so much cannot be created. All that can be done is to record information we see and make predictions.

In the face of such mathematical mysterious and perfection, how can you deny a creator of some sort? I suppose you think I'm crazy, but I doubt you've seen and studied what I have, because if you did we would not be having this discussion.

efrucht

wasnt it michiu kaku who said if you think you understand quantom theory you dont understand quantom theory.

no, but people should be more educated about it.

in all logical sense, religion is only a tool to keep the masses in check; give them something to do, or some structure in their lives.

it is just another way to hold power over people.

however, religions and religious people can do good things and i think tolerant religions should be allowed. intolerant religions should not be allowed however.

Pick up a book on Quantum Physics/mechanics, and you will begin to how some values and phenomenon are not only unexplainable, but incalculable and unpredictable. yet, look how well this chaos works out. SO much cannot be explained, so much cannot be created. All that can be done is to record information we see and make predictions.

In the face of such mathematical mysterious and perfection, how can you deny a creator of some sort? I suppose you think I'm crazy, but I doubt you've seen and studied what I have, because if you did we would not be having this discussion.

efrucht

why does the unexplainable ALWAYS default to religion. the fact is, it's just that science hasn't proven it YET.

thousands of years ago, people created gods to explain tornadoes, crop seasons, etc. what makes you any different?

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[QUOTE="-Austin-"]You seem pretty convinced that Atheism is the truth, but it isn't even provable either.-Austin-

We're not dealing with whether atheism is true, we're dealing with whether it's beneficial. Besides which, he could, for all you know, be referring to weak atheism.

Probably not, seeing as nobody uses the term weak atheism and most people instead just say, Agnosticism.

I do.

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Pick up a book on Quantum Physics/mechanics, and you will begin to how some values and phenomenon are not only unexplainable, but incalculable and unpredictable. yet, look how well this chaos works out. SO much cannot be explained, so much cannot be created. All that can be done is to record information we see and make predictions.

In the face of such mathematical mysterious and perfection, how can you deny a creator of some sort? I suppose you think I'm crazy, but I doubt you've seen and studied what I have, because if you did we would not be having this discussion.

mistervengeance

why does the unexplainable ALWAYS default to religion. the fact is, it's just that science hasn't proven it YET.

thousands of years ago, people created gods to explain tornadoes, crop seasons, etc. what makes you any different?

i think it has to do with the fact that our society is in a transitional period. were going from ignorant fairy tales to science. some people are naturally going to be left behind

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[QUOTE="-Austin-"]You seem pretty convinced that Atheism is the truth, but it isn't even provable either.-Austin-

We're not dealing with whether atheism is true, we're dealing with whether it's beneficial. Besides which, he could, for all you know, be referring to weak atheism.

Probably not, seeing as nobody uses the term weak atheism and most people instead just say, Agnosticism.

I agree. "Weak" and "strong" atheism is unnecessary, IMO. We have a perfectly good word for weak atheists already.

I know men and I tell you that Jesus Christ is no mere man. Between Him and every other person in the world there is no possible term of comparison. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creation of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded His empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him.

Hewkii

that is a nice quote. Me like.

[QUOTE="lucky326"]Yep, the more sane people in the world the better.Theokhoth

I look forward to a world where people like this no longer exist.

Now that was harsh. :P

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[QUOTE="lucky326"]Yep, the more sane people in the world the better.Funky_Llama

I look forward to a world where people like this no longer exist.

Now that was harsh. :P

Nah, if I wanted to be harsh then I probably would be banned right now.

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[QUOTE="lucky326"]Yep, the more sane people in the world the better.Theokhoth

I look forward to a world where people like this no longer exist.

Now that was harsh. :P

Nah, if I wanted to be harsh then I probably would be banned right now.

Hah, me too.

Of course I do. Not to mention I think it's the natural course of societal evolution. A world where morality, cultural standards and politics are based on rationality is a world that would be beneficial to everyone. espoac

Except, of course, for the people who don't meet the societal standards of "rationality" and are thus deemed insane or irrelevant for their beliefs.

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[QUOTE="lucky326"]Yep, the more sane people in the world the better.Funky_Llama

I look forward to a world where people like this no longer exist.

Now that was harsh. :P

Nah, if I wanted to be harsh then I probably would be banned right now.

Hah, me too.

Hey, I cant find our last exchange. Was it removed? The one about agnostic athiests. Its not showing for me.