Athiests' Feelings Toward Christianity

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

...wait, what? I didn't quite get what you were saying...

Scianix-White

I've got nothing against CAthiesm itself. If people want to believe in nothing, let them. It's when they start imposing their believes on me/society that I get irritated...

Well you were born in a Christian country you should expect that...

When I go to an athiest country I won't mind at all i they say there is no god...

[QUOTE="Scianix-White"][QUOTE="pspdseagle"]

I've got nothing against CAthiesm itself. If people want to believe in nothing, let them. It's when they start imposing their believes on me/society that I get irritated...

chessmaster1989

'kay, mate...

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...what to even say to this...?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]

I've got nothing against CAthiesm itself. If people want to believe in nothing, let them. It's when they start imposing their believes on me/society that I get irritated...

toast_burner

Okay, when atheists start infringing upon your ability to believe in God, drop me a PM... >_>

The atheistbus campaign it serves no point but to offend religious people.

I saw a billboard with this image on it on the way to LAX the other day:

[QUOTE="Scianix-White"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Well, a comment so blatantly ridiculous as what he posted deserves my deepest criticism...

chessmaster1989

That was support? :?

I thought it was a fairly blatant straw man... :?

I don't like the story it tells. It makes very little sense and contradicts often. The followers of this religion claim it as the absolute truth... It's useless in this day and age. Religions generally have an uneducated idea of God. Which is bad.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Okay, when atheists start infringing upon your ability to believe in God, drop me a PM... >_>

The atheistbus campaign it serves no point but to offend religious people.

Now, please explain to me how that infringes upon your ability to believe in God?

Don't get me wrong-I think that bus campaign is stupid...

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Okay, when atheists start infringing upon your ability to believe in God, drop me a PM... >_>

Shad0ki11

The atheistbus campaign it serves no point but to offend religious people.

I saw a billboard with this exact image on it on the way to LAX the other day:

Gotta love that ol' "nothing made everything" straw man... :|

It irks me when believers display their vast ignorance by making comments that are contradictory. Just like when someone tells you that Beijing is a country, you feel inclined to correct them.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Scianix-White"] I was supporting chessmaster. I'm not offended or insulted with your deepest criticism regardless of how bluntly idiotic my comment was.Scianix-White

That was support? :?

I thought it was a fairly blatant straw man... :?

Whaaa??? Now I'm really confused...

Copy-pasta from Wikipedia:

Straw man argument: A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

The atheistbus campaign it serves no point but to offend religious people.

toast_burner

Now, please explain to me how that infringes upon your ability to believe in God?

Don't get me wrong-I think that bus campaign is stupid...

...okay, so why's it related to my comment about imposing upon people, then...?

[QUOTE="Scianix-White"][QUOTE="pspdseagle"]I've got nothing against CAthiesm itself. If people want to believe in nothing, let them. It's when they start imposing their believes on me/society that I get irritated...Ace_WondersX

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

The atheistbus campaign it serves no point but to offend religious people.

I saw a billboard with this exact image on it on the way to LAX the other day:

Gotta love that ol' "nothing made everything" straw man... :|

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Okay, when atheists start infringing upon your ability to believe in God, drop me a PM... >_>

Shad0ki11

The atheistbus campaign it serves no point but to offend religious people.

I saw a billboard with this image on it on the way to LAX the other day:

Christian Extremist

Someone who makes signs with obvious blunders.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

I saw a billboard with this exact image on it on the way to LAX the other day:

toast_burner

Gotta love that ol' "nothing made everything" straw man... :|

Yes, both sound totally insane. I choose the nicer insanity. ;)

It's human nature for people to hate what they don't understand, and it takes a lot to understand a religion as complex as Christianity.

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

I've got nothing against Christianity itself. If people want to believe in God, let them. It's when they start imposing their beliefs on me/society that I get irritated...

chessmaster1989

I feel the same when Athiest believes is being imposed on me/society. I don't care if someone chooses to not believe in anything but they shouln't try to get other people...

...wait, what? I didn't quite get what you were saying...

Translation: I fell the same. In comparison though I feel that Athiest beliefs are being imposed on me and the rest of society. I do not care if one chooses to have a disbelief in a God, but they should not try to get other people to convert to atheism.

It's human nature for people to hate what they don't understand, and it takes a lot to understand a religion as complex as Christianity.

Theokhoth

You know, I'd say, if anything, that the world becomes more complex in the absence of a creator... :|

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

It's human nature for people to hate what they don't understand, and it takes a lot to understand a religion as complex as Christianity.

chessmaster1989

You know, I'd say, if anything, that the world becomes more complex in the absence of a creator... :|

I'd say the complexity of the world is independent to the complexity of the religions in the world. :|

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

It's human nature for people to hate what they don't understand, and it takes a lot to understand a religion as complex as Christianity.

Theokhoth

You know, I'd say, if anything, that the world becomes more complex in the absence of a creator... :|

I'd say the complexity of the world is independent to the complexity of the religions in the world. :|

I guess I didn't exactly say what I meant well enough. An atheist must discover how exactly life originated (scientists have discovered that amino acids can be created from inorganic material), whereas a theist just has to say "god did it".

I'm an agnostic (who sympathizes with atheists) and I don't have a biff with Christianity specifically. I dislike belief in general. It just seems like a flawed concept - when you believe in something, you automatically close your mind to any alternatives to a given situation. I try to 'believe' in as little as I can. It makes everything in life seem wondrous and refreshing when you don't judge or make assumptions.

That being said, atheism is a belief system in itself, which is exactly why I differentiate between agnosticism and atheism.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

You know, I'd say, if anything, that the world becomes more complex in the absence of a creator... :|

chessmaster1989

I'd say the complexity of the world is independent to the complexity of the religions in the world. :|

I guess I didn't exactly say what I meant well enough. An atheist must discover how exactly life originated (scientists have discovered that amino acids can be created from inorganic material), whereas a theist just has to say "god did it".

Okay, but this has no relevance whatsoever to what I originally posted.

Besides, an atheist could just as easily say "We don't know, but science will figure it out."

I'm an agnostic (who sympathizes with atheists) and I don't have a biff with Christianity specifically. I dislike belief in general. It just seems like a flawed concept - when you believe in something, you automatically close your mind to any alternatives to a given situation. I try to 'believe' in as little as I can. It makes everything in life seem wondrous and refreshing when you don't judge or make assumptions.

That being said, atheism is a belief system in itself, which is exactly why I differentiate between agnosticism and atheism.

:)

Hot-Tamale

Look at Leonardo Da Vinci, he was a extra-ordinary man of talent.. of science. Look who he influenced and built during his time? Nothing to do with God, just like the guy that invented the light bulb.Scianix-White

Uh, The Last Supper?

I'm an agnostic (who sympathizes with atheists) and I don't have a biff with Christianity specifically. I dislike belief in general. It just seems like a flawed concept - when you believe in something, you automatically close your mind to any alternatives to a given situation. I try to 'believe' in as little as I can. It makes everything in life seem wondrous and refreshing when you don't judge or make assumptions.

That being said, atheism is a belief system in itself, which is exactly why I differentiate between agnosticism and atheism.

Hot-Tamale

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

I'd say the complexity of the world is independent to the complexity of the religions in the world. :|

Theokhoth

I guess I didn't exactly say what I meant well enough. An atheist must discover how exactly life originated (scientists have discovered that amino acids can be created from inorganic material), whereas a theist just has to say "god did it".

Okay, but this has no relevance whatsoever to what I originally posted.

Besides, an atheist could just as easily say "We don't know, but science will figure it out."

I guess what I was trying to say is that, yes, people perhaps hate Christianity because they don't understand it, but there are certainly Christians who hate atheism because they don't understand it... :|

Look at Leonardo Da Vinci, he was a extra-ordinary man of talent.. of science. Look who he influenced and built during his time? Nothing to do with God, just like the guy that invented the light bulb.Scianix-White

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

I guess I didn't exactly say what I meant well enough. An atheist must discover how exactly life originated (scientists have discovered that amino acids can be created from inorganic material), whereas a theist just has to say "god did it".

chessmaster1989

Okay, but this has no relevance whatsoever to what I originally posted.

Besides, an atheist could just as easily say "We don't know, but science will figure it out."

I guess what I was trying to say is that, yes, people perhaps hate Christianity because they don't understand it, but there are certainly Christians who hate atheism because they don't understand it... :|

Atheism is not synonymous with science, and what's to understand about atheism? It's the rejection of belief in God(s). Is there more to it?

(Well, there is, but I'm not gonna go into that. . .)

[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

I'm an agnostic (who sympathizes with atheists) and I don't have a biff with Christianity specifically. I dislike belief in general. It just seems like a flawed concept - when you believe in something, you automatically close your mind to any alternatives to a given situation. I try to 'believe' in as little as I can. It makes everything in life seem wondrous and refreshing when you don't judge or make assumptions.

That being said, atheism is a belief system in itself, which is exactly why I differentiate between agnosticism and atheism.

:)

lobodob

Don't you think it's the same for religious people. Christians think they KNOW that God exists. I'm just trying to keep an open mind.

Let's say it is proven that God does/doesn't exist. I didn't take sides in the debate, so I'm able to accept the scientific fact more easily than a religious person or an atheist in either situation.

[QUOTE="Scianix-White"]Look at Leonardo Da Vinci, he was a extra-ordinary man of talent.. of science. Look who he influenced and built during his time? Nothing to do with God, just like the guy that invented the light bulb.Ace_WondersX

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="Scianix-White"]Look at Leonardo Da Vinci, he was a extra-ordinary man of talent.. of science. Look who he influenced and built during his time? Nothing to do with God, just like the guy that invented the light bulb.Scianix-White

Leo was also a Catholic. Edison's church was renamed after him.

I can list dozens of scientific geniuses who were also religious. What's your point?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Okay, but this has no relevance whatsoever to what I originally posted.

Besides, an atheist could just as easily say "We don't know, but science will figure it out."

Theokhoth

I guess what I was trying to say is that, yes, people perhaps hate Christianity because they don't understand it, but there are certainly Christians who hate atheism because they don't understand it... :|

Atheism is not synonymous with science, and what's to understand about atheism? It's the rejection of belief in God(s). Is there more to it?

(Well, there is, but I'm not gonna go into that. . .)

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

I guess what I was trying to say is that, yes, people perhaps hate Christianity because they don't understand it, but there are certainly Christians who hate atheism because they don't understand it... :|

unholymight

Atheism is not synonymous with science, and what's to understand about atheism? It's the rejection of belief in God(s). Is there more to it?

(Well, there is, but I'm not gonna go into that. . .)

Atheist: Somebody who doesn't believe in the existence of deities.

That's it. Rationalisation is not a necessary component to atheism, and not everyone who rationalises is an atheist, and not everyone who calls himself an atheist is rational.

Science =/= atheism.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

I guess what I was trying to say is that, yes, people perhaps hate Christianity because they don't understand it, but there are certainly Christians who hate atheism because they don't understand it... :|

unholymight

Atheism is not synonymous with science, and what's to understand about atheism? It's the rejection of belief in God(s). Is there more to it?

(Well, there is, but I'm not gonna go into that. . .)

Atheism entails belief, or more accurately, 'disbelief.' Belief is inherently irrational.

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="Scianix-White"]Look at Leonardo Da Vinci, he was a extra-ordinary man of talent.. of science. Look who he influenced and built during his time? Nothing to do with God, just like the guy that invented the light bulb.Scianix-White

You can't believe in god and know a lot about science and math?

Jonas Salk was religous and created the Polio Vaccine. So what are you trying to say?

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Atheism is not synonymous with science, and what's to understand about atheism? It's the rejection of belief in God(s). Is there more to it?

(Well, there is, but I'm not gonna go into that. . .)

Hot-Tamale

Belief is inherently irrational.

Either that statement is false, or rationality is overrated.

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Atheism is not synonymous with science, and what's to understand about atheism? It's the rejection of belief in God(s). Is there more to it?

(Well, there is, but I'm not gonna go into that. . .)

Theokhoth

Atheist: Somebody who doesn't believe in the existence of deities.

That's it. Rationalisation is not a necessary component to atheism, and not everyone who rationalises is an atheist, and not everyone who calls himself an atheist is rational.

Science =/= atheism.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Okay, but this has no relevance whatsoever to what I originally posted.

Besides, an atheist could just as easily say "We don't know, but science will figure it out."

Theokhoth

I guess what I was trying to say is that, yes, people perhaps hate Christianity because they don't understand it, but there are certainly Christians who hate atheism because they don't understand it... :|

Atheism is not synonymous with science, and what's to understand about atheism? It's the rejection of belief in God(s). Is there more to it?

(Well, there is, but I'm not gonna go into that. . .)

I think I'm not expressing myself that well.

What I mean to say is that (I'm just going to use Christianity, since it's the religion that I know the most about (even it, I'm not that familiar with)) Christians will, for obvious reasons, reject the notion of a world without God; this is inherent to their beliefs. Some Christians undoubtedly will not be able to understand a world without a creator, and, thus, atheism. I think the mere fact that people like BR (btw, I'm not trying to compare you/most Christians to BR) post objections to ideas that "life came from non-life" and "everything came from nothing" (the latter, of course, being a gross misrepresentation of atheism-I don't know a single atheist who believes that) implies that they don't understand how the world could be as it is now without a creator.

If that still doesn't make sense to you, I guess my point just isn't a very good one... :|

EDIT: Addressing your point about atheism not being synonymous with science, you are completely correct. That said, atheists often use science to justify the possibility of a world without a creator. But, yes, you are correct.

[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] Atheist: Someone who rationalizes rather than invokes faith. Rationalization is the essence of science.Theokhoth

Belief is inherently irrational.

Either that statement is false, or rationality is overrated.

If I believe something, I've automatically closed my mind to all alternatives to a given situation, right? That's irrationality incarnate.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] Atheist: Someone who rationalizes rather than invokes faith. Rationalization is the essence of science.unholymight

Atheist: Somebody who doesn't believe in the existence of deities.

That's it. Rationalisation is not a necessary component to atheism, and not everyone who rationalises is an atheist, and not everyone who calls himself an atheist is rational.

Science =/= atheism.

You're shirking my point with an ineffective analogy. First you need to explain how the "literal meaning" (which, by the way, is the only meaning) is ineffective, and then you need to explain the fact that not every atheist is rational, that not every rational person is an atheist, and the fact that to be rational is not any sort of universal atheistic doctrine.

[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] Atheist: Someone who rationalizes rather than invokes faith. Rationalization is the essence of science.Theokhoth

Belief is inherently irrational.

Either that statement is false, or rationality is overrated.

Found a list of some famous scientists who were religious: Nicholas Copernicus, Sir Francis Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Rene Descartes, Robert Boyle, William Thomson, Kelvin Max Planck, Albert Einstein.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

Belief is inherently irrational.

Hot-Tamale

Either that statement is false, or rationality is overrated.

If I believe something, I've automatically closed my mind to all alternatives to a given situation, right? That's irrationality incarnate.

If you believe something, then you hold that something to be the most likely to be true amongst the sea of possiblities. Not only do you believe in thousands of things (making rationality overrated, if you're right) but you also assume that these beliefs come out of thin air without any prior thought or experience backing those beliefs. . . and no such belief exists.

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Atheist: Somebody who doesn't believe in the existence of deities.

That's it. Rationalisation is not a necessary component to atheism, and not everyone who rationalises is an atheist, and not everyone who calls himself an atheist is rational.

Science =/= atheism.

Theokhoth

You're shirking my point with an ineffective analogy. First you need to explain how the "literal meaning" (which, by the way, is the only meaning) is ineffective, and then you need to explain the fact that not every atheist is rational, that not every rational person is an atheist, and the fact that to be rational is not any sort of universal atheistic doctrine.

unholy, I must say, I agree with Theo on this one... the definition of atheism pertains only to the disbelief in a god/gods, and has nothing to do with rationality.