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#51 horgen  Moderator
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Batman is the real version of inspector gadget =P And he is no coward :x
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#52 battlefront23
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Not a coward at all actually. It's not his job to be the judge, jury, and executioner. No man can justly kill another man without a fairtrial...

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#53 GazaAli
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that was an interesting read...
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#54 Theokhoth
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TC's logic: If you have not killed anybody, you are a coward. Therefore, we can conclude either that TC has killed someone, or TC is a coward.
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#55 Meinhard1
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TC is forgetting that Batman is NOT the hero Gotham NEEDS the the hero Gotham DESERVES.

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#56 gbrading
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Batman, unlike most other super heros, has no special powers. He is just exceptionally well financed, which probably doesn't really count him as a super hero. But he's not a coward. He's just leaning closer on the spectrum to vigilante than all-round do-gooder.

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#57 deactivated-5e97585ea928c
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Wait, are you saying that as long as you have lots of money, it doesn't matter if your parents die?

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#58 CoolSkAGuy
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Batman has a cowl..... and a cape.......and he is always prepared to kill superman if the need is called..... how can he be a coward? he might be a bit schizophrenic but thats different....
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#59 killyou060606
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He would certainly murder you if he was real for saying that. ;p
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#60 bballm10
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Has anyone pointed out that he's a billionaire who spends his free time beating criminals half to death with (essentially) his bare hands? There is no way you can do that and be regarded as a coward.

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#61 black_chamber99
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Wait, are you saying that as long as you have lots of money, it doesn't matter if your parents die?

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parents die everyday bro. not everyone has the luxury of being so bored and rich that they concoct an idea of dressing up in a bat costume and fighting crime. the reason batman (and other characters like ironman) was created was to show how awesome capitalism is, but that's a whole nother can of worms

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#62 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="F1_2004"] :| he's saying that out of fear of breaking his self-righteous moral code, Batman missed the opportunity to save thousands of lives.F1_2004

And he called him a coward because he doesn't kill people.

:|

Yes, because he's mentally weak and afraid of breaking his personal moral code. Hence the cowardice, in the absence of which he'd have saved many lives. :| :|

Breaking a moral code for ease makes one a coward.....staying true does not.
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#63 black_chamber99
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Has anyone pointed out that he's a billionaire who spends his free time beating criminals half to death with (essentially) his bare hands? There is no way you can do that and be regarded as a coward.

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batman wouldnt be so tough without his high-tech gadgets and anonymity

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#64 bballm10
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[QUOTE="bballm10"]

Has anyone pointed out that he's a billionaire who spends his free time beating criminals half to death with (essentially) his bare hands? There is no way you can do that and be regarded as a coward.

black_chamber99

batman wouldnt be so tough without his high-tech gadgets and anonymity

You could say something like that about literally every superhero ever. Superman and Spider man wouldn't be so tough without their super strength. Iron Man wouldn't be so tough without his Iron suit. etc. So what if he uses gadgets, he's still not a coward by any means.

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#65 CoolSkAGuy
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Batman is a ninja..... he is a master of tools of the trade..... all he needs is darkness and he can PWN!!
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#66 Bloodaxe726
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Batman fights super-villains, who all have super powers and such, with just his wit and gadgets, that's hardly cowardly.

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#67 warownslife
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Hes OK i guess. The joker is pretty interesting.

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#68 clayron
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I see Superman is listed in the poll.

If Superman killed people, he wouldn't be freaking Superman.

Read "Kingdom Come." Read "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" Read "Superman: Redemption." Read "What's so Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?"

Edit: I meant "Birthright," not "Redemption."

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All amazing comics that give the reader great insight to the true nature of DC characters that adhere to a moral non-killing code. Birthright and Kingdom Come are some of my favorites. Batman. A coward? Not even close.
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#69 MazehcS0ul
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batman isnt real .gubrushadow

lol you got that right.

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[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"]

Wait, are you saying that as long as you have lots of money, it doesn't matter if your parents die?

black_chamber99

parents die everyday bro. not everyone has the luxury of being so bored and rich that they concoct an idea of dressing up in a bat costume and fighting crime. the reason batman (and other characters like ironman) was created was to show how awesome capitalism is, but that's a whole nother can of worms

Ah so when someones parents die they should just instantly get over it because parents die everyday? Such sound logic..

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#71 warownslife
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[QUOTE="black_chamber99"]

[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"]

Wait, are you saying that as long as you have lots of money, it doesn't matter if your parents die?

FrostyPhantasm

parents die everyday bro. not everyone has the luxury of being so bored and rich that they concoct an idea of dressing up in a bat costume and fighting crime. the reason batman (and other characters like ironman) was created was to show how awesome capitalism is, but that's a whole nother can of worms

Ah so when someones parents die they should just instantly get over it because parents die everyday? Such sound logic..

If my parents died i would be pissed but i probably wouldn't dress up as a bat.

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#72 Dylan_11
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So everyone but murderers are cowards?

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#73 Spincut
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I just got done watching two batman films (city of scars, and under the red hood), and a playthrough of arkham asylum, and it amazes me how much of a coward batman really is. He literally could have saved thousands of lives if he would just use lethal force and discard his self-righteous moral code. He just comes across as a self-indulgent character with the maturity of a 13-year old. So your parents got shot, so what? you're a billionaire playboy. Go buy your own personal island and cry yourself to sleep. Why would any villain be a afraid of a guy that wears his underwear outside his costume and doesn't have the balls to kill anyone? The only reason i think he took up being a superhero was to feed his own ego. Batman is a capitalist icon, **** that guy

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But he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight. ;)

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#75 DarkGamer007
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Batman isn't a coward, he has a strict moral code of not killing anyone because he knows once he does he is no better than his enemies are. Even though he is a vigilante, he does want uncorupted justice to occur and killing people won't acomplish that.

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#76 killerkool07
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Hate to break it to you, but Batman isn't real.

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but i was going to be batmans 30 year old overweight sidekick fighting for GS and XXL capes that fitt

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#77 face_ripper
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Batman doesn't want to break his moral code. You should see how children react to him -Vilonce is not the answer- Thats the message he tries to send. which........... fails tbh
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#78 DarkGamer007
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[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="black_chamber99"]

parents die everyday bro. not everyone has the luxury of being so bored and rich that they concoct an idea of dressing up in a bat costume and fighting crime. the reason batman (and other characters like ironman) was created was to show how awesome capitalism is, but that's a whole nother can of worms

warownslife

Ah so when someones parents die they should just instantly get over it because parents die everyday? Such sound logic..

If my parents died i would be pissed but i probably wouldn't dress up as a bat.

Yeah but if you were what ten years old and your parents were murdered right in front of you that wouldn't have any mental repercussions on you?

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#79 Mercenary848
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Whats the point of killing comic villians when they just come back stronger, and the ones who do not come back are not worth killing.

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#80 xionvalkyrie
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The only reason he doesn't kill people is so they can milk the Villains over and over again. Also, it's supposed to be marketed towards kids.

Also, if you pay closer attention, you'll notice that a lot of what he does is actually pretty lethal, it's just that random henchmen and Villains all have plot armor.

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#81 alexside1
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The only reason he doesn't kill people is so they can milk the Villains over and over again. Also, it's supposed to be marketed towards kids.

Also, if you pay closer attention, you'll notice that a lot of what he does is actually pretty lethal, it's just that random henchmen and Villains all have plot armor.

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Every franchises out there "milk" at some point one or another. Adults watch batman too you know. You know the movie called "The dark knight"?
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#82 Kaim91
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Having morals doesn't make him a coward. What right does a human have to take the life of another? That goes for everyone of course, including Batman.

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#83 dave123321
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I do not think that makes him a coward . He has a moral line he is not willing to cross(typically) . Not killing does not show that he is weak.
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#84 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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I don't really like superheroes anyway..

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#85 PannicAtack
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How much of a coward is Batman? So much of a coward that he sacrificed his life to stop Darkseid! Wait...
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#86 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

I see Superman is listed in the poll.

If Superman killed people, he wouldn't be freaking Superman.

Read "Kingdom Come." Read "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" Read "Superman: Redemption." Read "What's so Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?"

Edit: I meant "Birthright," not "Redemption."

clayron
All amazing comics that give the reader great insight to the true nature of DC characters that adhere to a moral non-killing code. Birthright and Kingdom Come are some of my favorites. Batman. A coward? Not even close.

Captain Atom: Armageddon is another good one.
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:x I don't like your opinion at all. Go away.
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#88 foxhound_fox
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If you can counter the threatening of lethal force, with non-lethal force, why is that cowardly? Doing something cowardly would be reacting to lethal force with lethal force, when you have other options, but don't want to go through the trouble of preventing the person from dying. There are many situations that call for lethal force, but Batman has the capability to use non-lethal force in basically every situation, which is why he avoids using it to "save time."

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#89 one_plum
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The only morals that always make sense are our own subjective ones. The reason why most masked crime fighters don't become cops is that they don't agree with the objective morals of the law (and in Gotham's case, not only is the objective law imperfect like in most cases, but it is badly applied too).

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#90 Wilfred_Owen
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Hate to break it to you, but Batman isn't real.

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Wrong.
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#91 black_chamber99
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Hate to break it to you, but Batman isn't real.

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you know, i didnt realize that until you said it

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#92 Ken_Masterz
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the sad thing is, this could have lead to a very interesting conversation if so many people weren't being so idiotic. Suprisingly some of the mods as well. killing people would just make him another killer TC. Sure one could argue it would be Just but then again once you go down that slope of making value judgements on those you decide to kill the line of ethics is really hard to see.
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#93 cpo335
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I just got done watching two batman films (city of scars, and under the red hood), and a playthrough of arkham asylum, and it amazes me how much of a coward batman really is. He literally could have saved thousands of lives if he would just use lethal force and discard his self-righteous moral code. He just comes across as a self-indulgent character with the maturity of a 13-year old. So your parents got shot, so what? you're a billionaire playboy. Go buy your own personal island and cry yourself to sleep. Why would any villain be a afraid of a guy that wears his underwear outside his costume and doesn't have the balls to kill anyone? The only reason i think he took up being a superhero was to feed his own ego. Batman is a capitalist icon, **** that guy

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You have a good point, but if Batman utilized lethal force, then he would be on the same level as those he's trying to condemn and bring to justice (this is the biggest reason why). He also doesn't really think he has the authority to kill, he is simply the middle man between the police and the criminals. All he does is bring information and suspects to the cops.

He also understands that he isn't just hurting the perp., he's also hurting those affiliated with him by killing him, such as his family. He doesn't want to be the kind of hero that brings people to an arguable sense of justice, but also creates pain and misery in others. So he empathsizes with his victims.

Batman, as shown in the Dark Knight, is more than just a man in a black suit fighting crime. He has become a symbol of hope, justice, courage, goodness, and even fear. Wayne built Batman with those characteristics in mind because, once he became immortal in that legendary sense, then he knew the citizens of Gotham would take over and deal with it on their own. He even states in the Dark Knight that he wonders when the time is that the world will not need Batman. He doesn't want to do it forever (he wants to live and love, like any man), which is why he "uses" Dent as the "White Knight." Dent is the product of work ofBatman. You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian (I think that was Dent, tho ,buit the moral is the same).

Gotham is also supposed to be the worst, most crime-ridden city in the world. Worse than Detroit. So when his family was taken away from him at such a young age, it obviously left a mark. So, in order to cope, and to bring about change in the city that his family practically built, he becomes Batman. Besides, his methods work, extremely well actually, so why criticize a man for playing well at his own game? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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#94 PannicAtack
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Wait. You seriously don't think that someone having his parents murdered in front of him as a kid would have some kind of emotional trauma?

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#95 -TheSecondSign-
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I'm pretty sure Batman has killed people before. He just doesn't kill everyone.

Same thing with every character in that archetype.

Aang from Avatar rings the same bell to me. Onnumerous occassions he blasts people off cliffs and sets them on fire, but he always "backs off" at the last second. But he only backs off on people he notices. Same with Batman. That random villain's henchman that he throws a batarang into and you never see him again? Why do you think you never see him again? Because there's a bat shaped boomerang lodged in his brachial artery and he's bled out all over the floor.

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I just got done watching two batman films (city of scars, and under the red hood), and a playthrough of arkham asylum, and it amazes me how much of a coward batman really is. He literally could have saved thousands of lives if he would just use lethal force and discard his self-righteous moral code. He just comes across as a self-indulgent character with the maturity of a 13-year old. So your parents got shot, so what? you're a billionaire playboy. Go buy your own personal island and cry yourself to sleep. Why would any villain be a afraid of a guy that wears his underwear outside his costume and doesn't have the balls to kill anyone? The only reason i think he took up being a superhero was to feed his own ego. Batman is a capitalist icon, **** that guy

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Batman tries to seperate himself from the criminals he fights by not stooping to their level, he wants to prove to his enemies that he is better than them. Instead of murder he uses intimidation and physical force rather than shoot first ask questions later. If Batman killed someone he would be psycologicly equivilent to his greatest enemies and with that change in his persona comes a decrease in the hero's popularity, because after all he would be as good as dead then.

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#97 PannicAtack
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I'm pretty sure Batman has killed people before.

-TheSecondSign-

Not in the current continuity. The only occasions I can think of are the very early Detective Comics (when he was first introduced and not very fleshed out), the Tim Burton movies (Tim Burton not having been someone who hewed close to the comics), possibly All-Star Batman and Robin (which sucks and isn't part of the DC continuity), and killing Darkseid (and that was a huge crossover event with Darkseid being the real big villain that had to be stopped. Batman died there).

It's pretty well-established that Batman doesn't kill people in the main continuity.

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#98 CBR600-RR
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lol @ people taking this seriously..

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#99 PannicAtack
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lol @ people taking this seriously..

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#100 camarowu
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Just read Garth Ennis's Punisher. He has no problem with murder.