Batman's Fate in The Dark Knight Rises (discussion)

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#1 Blazerdt47
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One thing that really bothers me is that many people think batman will die in TDKR. Everyone is talking about it, and Youtube is going berserk over it. Why? Does anyone honestly think Nolan would do that? The trailers make it seem like he will die and with so many people believing it, why would Nolan just blatantly tell the audience that easily? Nolan is a man of many suprises in his films and I think this is the greatest illusion he's pulled. I mean the movie is called The Dark Knight RISES for a reason.

What do you think?

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#2 branketra
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He better not. Batman's too good to be killed off by a script.
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#3 MgamerBD
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I think he will Rise from the Dark as a knight.
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#4 eboyishere
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THIS is what i heard about how it goes down in the end.

[spoiler] TLDR verison:

IN THE END, Joseph Levitt takes bruces spot as batman and both him and Bane die, everybody thinks batman is dead, bruce moves on wiht his life with a new love interest [/spoiler]

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#5 lonewolf604
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Well, Michael Cain's line kind of hints at it. But then again it could mean anything.
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#6 Serraph105
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I sincerely doubt that they will let Bruce Wayne die. That's not to say nobody else could ever be Batman (they've done that in the comics after all), but I highly doubt that they will let some no name cop take his place. I say this both because it would leave comic book readers in a weird place, and for a practicle reason namely any normal person wouldn't have access to the funds that would allow him to single handedlywage a war on crime the way billionaire Bruce Wayne does.

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#7 Blazerdt47
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THIS is what i heard about how it goes down in the end.

eboyishere
Uhh that would be disappointing.
[spoiler] That would be the worst ending ever. [/spoiler]
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#8 eboyishere
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[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

THIS is what i heard about how it goes down in the end.

Blazerdt47

Uhh that would be disappointing.

No point getting over hyped about it if it does or does not happen. In fact im saying It will be on the same level as TDK....just being realistic about it.

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#9 eboyishere
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The other rumor had was the "azrael" story line
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#10 dercoo
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My respect for Nolan could go through the roof if he had the ***** to kill off the most popular comic book character.

Key word is could. Would have to be one epic death.

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#11 Serraph105
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My respect for Nolan could go through the roof if he had the ***** to kill off the most popular comic book character.

Key word is could. Would have to be one epic death.

dercoo
the thing is I don't really think he has that power without getting the green light from DC and my guess is they would say no since they just brought him back in the comics.
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#12 lonewolf604
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

My respect for Nolan could go through the roof if he had the ***** to kill off the most popular comic book character.

Key word is could. Would have to be one epic death.

Serraph105
the thing is I don't really think he has that power without getting the green light from DC and my guess is they would say no since they just brought him back in the comics.

They brought him back? Please do tell. (or PM me)
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#13 TheShadowLord07
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Well, Michael Cain's line kind of hints at it. But then again it could mean anything. lonewolf604
what line?

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#14 lonewolf604
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[QUOTE="lonewolf604"]Well, Michael Cain's line kind of hints at it. But then again it could mean anything. TheShadowLord07

what line?

"I've buried enough members of the Wayne family".
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#15 eboyishere
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My respect for Nolan could go through the roof if he had the ***** to kill off the most popular comic book character.

Key word is could. Would have to be one epic death.

dercoo

Killing a big hero is a 50/50 it's eiher done right or not done at all. I dont think nolan is up for that big of a gamble.

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#16 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="dercoo"]

My respect for Nolan could go through the roof if he had the ***** to kill off the most popular comic book character.

Key word is could. Would have to be one epic death.

lonewolf604
the thing is I don't really think he has that power without getting the green light from DC and my guess is they would say no since they just brought him back in the comics.

They brought him back? Please do tell. (or PM me)

sorry man I don't actually read the comics. I just have a wikipedia link for you is all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Grayson#Batman:_Reborn
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#17 dercoo
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

My respect for Nolan could go through the roof if he had the ***** to kill off the most popular comic book character.

Key word is could. Would have to be one epic death.

eboyishere

Killing a big hero is a 50/50 it's eiher done right or not done at all. I dont think nolan is up for that big of a gamble.

Casting "pretty boy", former teen idol Heth Ledger as The Joker was considered a major gamble too...

My main issue if batman does die is that it would be no doubt spoiled for almost everyone beforehand.

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#18 lonewolf604
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[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="Serraph105"] the thing is I don't really think he has that power without getting the green light from DC and my guess is they would say no since they just brought him back in the comics.Serraph105
They brought him back? Please do tell. (or PM me)

sorry man I don't actually read the comics. I just have a wikipedia link for you is all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Grayson#Batman:_Reborn

Oh I thought you meant Bruce Wayne came back to life or something. (or started with a new arc with Bruce alive)

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#19 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] They brought him back? Please do tell. (or PM me)

sorry man I don't actually read the comics. I just have a wikipedia link for you is all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Grayson#Batman:_Reborn

Oh I thought you meant Bruce Wayne came back to life or something.

well technically they did "kill" him, but in the same way that nearly every comic book character dies. Ambiguously.
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#20 worlock77
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[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="Serraph105"] sorry man I don't actually read the comics. I just have a wikipedia link for you is all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Grayson#Batman:_RebornSerraph105
Oh I thought you meant Bruce Wayne came back to life or something.

well technically they did "kill" him, but in the same way that nearly every comic book character dies. Ambiguously.

I do think the only comic characters who have stayed dead are Frank Castle's family and Morpheus (from Neil Gaiman's 'Sandman' series).

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#21 RyanShazam
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Batman isn't going to die. I think Nolan would like to kill Batman but WB won't let him. The trailer shows the mourning of Batman to give the feeling Gotham is doomed and Bane has taken over. Everyone knows Bane **** **** up, and that's when most I the trailer takes place. Bane is going to remove Batman from the equation for a good amount of time just like he did in the comics. Batman will not exists for almost a year and Bane ruins Gotham. After Bruce Wayne recovers he is going to find Ra's Al Ghoul and meet Talia. This will give Bruce Waybe the will to return to Gotham as Batman. Since you only have one shot at taking out the Bat, he will return and **** Bane up.
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#22 worlock77
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I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Talia Al Ghul will not be in the movie, despite rumors.

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#23 RyanShazam
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I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Talia Al Ghul will not be in the movie, despite rumors.

worlock77
Reay? Does Liam still have a cameo?
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#24 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Talia Al Ghul will not be in the movie, despite rumors.

RyanShazam

Reay? Does Liam still have a cameo?

As far as I know, but from what I've read it's in flashback scenes.

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#25 DeadMan1290
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He better not. Batman's too good to be killed off by a script.BranKetra
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#26 RyanShazam
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[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Talia Al Ghul will not be in the movie, despite rumors.

worlock77

Reay? Does Liam still have a cameo?

As far as I know, but from what I've read it's in flashback scenes.

There goes part of my theory lol Oh well. Already have my ticket, just need to wait it out.
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#27 TheShadowLord07
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I

I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Talia Al Ghul will not be in the movie, despite rumors.

worlock77

I heard otherwise actually. mostly cause i heard a girl suppose to play as a young talia

and whats up with imdb mentioning liam as ra's al ghul? he played as a ducard in batman begins. im assuming thats a mistake

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#30 Blazerdt47
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[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

My respect for Nolan could go through the roof if he had the ***** to kill off the most popular comic book character.

Key word is could. Would have to be one epic death.

dercoo

Killing a big hero is a 50/50 it's eiher done right or not done at all. I dont think nolan is up for that big of a gamble.

Casting "pretty boy", former teen idol Heth Ledger as The Joker was considered a major gamble too...

My main issue if batman does die is that it would be no doubt spoiled for almost everyone beforehand.

Even if Batman did die it wouldn't impact the audience as much because people are already making conclusions that he will die. The suprise element will fall flat.
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#31 deactivated-59d151f079814
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My theory is Bane breaks him, psychologically and lets him go.. In which he is hurt and cannot become Batman.. The latest trailler illustrates that where Freeman's character is showing him the new gadgets and Wayne is walking with a cane and adamantly against becoming Batman again....
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#32 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Batman isn't going to die. I think Nolan would like to kill Batman but WB won't let him. The trailer shows the mourning of Batman to give the feeling Gotham is doomed and Bane has taken over. Everyone knows Bane **** **** up, and that's when most I the trailer takes place. Bane is going to remove Batman from the equation for a good amount of time just like he did in the comics. Batman will not exists for almost a year and Bane ruins Gotham. After Bruce Wayne recovers he is going to find Ra's Al Ghoul and meet Talia. This will give Bruce Waybe the will to return to Gotham as Batman. Since you only have one shot at taking out the Bat, he will return and **** Bane up. RyanShazam

See I don't see why WB would be against it.. This is Nolan's final Batman, the next Batman will most definitely not be a sequel to these Batmans.

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#33 BluRayHiDef
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THIS is what i heard about how it goes down in the end.

[spoiler] TLDR verison:

IN THE END, Joseph Levitt takes bruces spot as batman and both him and Bane die, everybody thinks batman is dead, bruce moves on wiht his life with a new love interest [/spoiler]

eboyishere

How did you learn this? It sounds plausible. Anyhow, I think that it will end in one of three ways:

  • Batman's/ Bruce's death
  • Bruce becomes paraplegic or severely injured and has to stop being Batman
  • Batman lives on happily ever after
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#34 dominer
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I think near the end it would look like he died but a few seconds before the movie closes you'll see him rise or something.

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#35 Blazerdt47
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[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

THIS is what i heard about how it goes down in the end.

[spoiler] TLDR verison:

IN THE END, Joseph Levitt takes bruces spot as batman and both him and Bane die, everybody thinks batman is dead, bruce moves on wiht his life with a new love interest [/spoiler]

BluRayHiDef

How did you learn this? It sounds plausible. Anyhow, I think that it will end in one of three ways:

  • Batman's/ Bruce's death
  • Bruce becomes paraplegic or severely injured and has to stop being Batman
  • Batman lives on happily ever after

In the comics Bane breaks his back yet Batman heals, and returns to beat him. Nolan's trilogy is about Bruce Wayne, he will be the one to beat Bane, not some one-time cop, Joseph Gordon- Levitt. I don't think Batman will die bit it will look like he did, then as the title of the movie implies, he RISES and defeats the menace.
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#36 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]I

I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Talia Al Ghul will not be in the movie, despite rumors.

TheShadowLord07

I heard otherwise actually. mostly cause i heard a girl suppose to play as a young talia

and whats up with imdb mentioning liam as ra's al ghul? he played as a ducard in batman begins. im assuming thats a mistake

While it's not explicitly stated that he is Ras Al Ghul in that 'Batman Begins' they pretty much everything but explicitly state it. Maybe in this one they do explicitly state it.

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#37 MrPraline
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Dunno. Hope whatever he does he does it quickly so there's more Anne H. screen time.
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#38 RandomWinner
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I'm betting he gets his back broken by Bain early in the movie. Eventually he recovers and fights back. That's my guess though. I think you're right, if Nolan was going to kill Batman he wouldn't do it for shock value, but he would NEVER make it seem like such a possibility.

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#39 juden41
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I think Batman's identity will be revealed to Gotham City. He'll then have to flee in exile.
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#40 TheFallenDemon
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I think that Batman will settle down and have a kid with Catwoman.

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#41 lx_theo
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I severely doubt they will make an more entries into this series of Batman movies, so death seems a viable option.

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#42 Serraph105
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I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Talia Al Ghul will not be in the movie, despite rumors.

worlock77
she's still on IMDB or at least a young version of her is.
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#43 rben21232
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[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]I

I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Talia Al Ghul will not be in the movie, despite rumors.

worlock77

I heard otherwise actually. mostly cause i heard a girl suppose to play as a young talia

and whats up with imdb mentioning liam as ra's al ghul? he played as a ducard in batman begins. im assuming thats a mistake

While it's not explicitly stated that he is Ras Al Ghul in that 'Batman Begins' they pretty much everything but explicitly state it. Maybe in this one they do explicitly state it.

Yes it is 'explicitly' stated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXjaE3Gst_M

Did you even watch the movie?

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#44 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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For some reason, people think its more epic if the main character dies. It's overdone, but hey, that doesnt stop them.

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#45 Blazerdt47
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For some reason, people think its more epic if the main character dies. It's overdone, but hey, that doesnt stop them.

sonicare
I don't get how it is more epic. It's not to me. Something along the lines of "Almost" dying would be more epic to me, like the way the audience thought Optimus was going to die in Dark of the Moon, that sounds more plausible. In my opinion that is what made DOTM epic at the end. The main character doesn't need to die but having key assist characters die, example Ironhide, Jazz, Wheeljack, and almost Bumblebee.
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[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="Serraph105"] sorry man I don't actually read the comics. I just have a wikipedia link for you is all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Grayson#Batman:_RebornSerraph105
Oh I thought you meant Bruce Wayne came back to life or something.

well technically they did "kill" him, but in the same way that nearly every comic book character dies. Ambiguously.

No, Bruce Wayne has never died. What you are referring to (Final Crisis #6) where Superman carries "Batman's" dead body after Batman defeats Darkseid. You very clearly see Bruce in the last panel of the very next issue (#7 was the last in the mini series) drawing a bat symbol in a cave after getting sent back to prehistoric times. It was later revealed that the body Superman was holding was one of the army of Batman clones that Darkseid attempted to create, and failed, all the clones were given Bruce's memories, and they all went insane and killed themselves.

Anyone who actually thinks Batman died during Final Crisis read issue #6, freaked out and didn't bother to get #7.

The New 52 makes all of that irrelevant anyway though.

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#47 Skarwolf
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Bane molests Bruce Wayne & makes him dress up like a pink bat and prance around the rooftops of gotham.

The end.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]I heard otherwise actually. mostly cause i heard a girl suppose to play as a young talia

and whats up with imdb mentioning liam as ra's al ghul? he played as a ducard in batman begins. im assuming thats a mistake

rben21232

While it's not explicitly stated that he is Ras Al Ghul in that 'Batman Begins' they pretty much everything but explicitly state it. Maybe in this one they do explicitly state it.

Yes it is 'explicitly' stated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXjaE3Gst_M

Did you even watch the movie?

yes. twice actually. guess i missed that

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There would be a huge uproar of violence if that happened. Comic fans (like me) would start mobs and go beserk if that is too happen. You can't kill batman.

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#50 dercoo
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There would be a huge uproar of violence if that happened. Comic fans (like me) would start mobs and go beserk if that is too happen. You can't kill batman.

ToastRider11

They've killed superman before, they can kill batman too.

Yes they brought supes back, but thats besides the point.