Billy Corgan compares 'social justice warriors' to Maoists and KKK.

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#1 loco145
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Smashing Pumpkins frontman Billy Corgan has compared so-called “social justice warriors” to Maoists and the Ku Klux Klan in an interview with radio host Alex Jones. Corgan called the activists a “propaganda control arm” who are “here to control us” as Jones chimed in: “It’s classic tyranny.”

“They’re Maoists. They have the Little Red Book in their hand. You’re not gonna get them back.” Corgan said. “The only thing that’s going to adjust their ideological fixation is reality.”

Corgan said the “hashtag generation” of activists use peer pressure, shaming and mocking to force their way on forums like Twitter, which Corgan quit last year. “If you think someone is dumb or uneducated or a bigot or something, mocking them is not usually the best way to get through to them,” Corgan said.

Jones, the outspoken radio host and conspiracy theorist, responded by describing the same activists as “little arrogant 20-year-olds spitting in [people’s] faces, screaming at them: ‘You hate me because I’m a tranny’, and it’s just this made-up thing in their head.” The host added: “And I personally get mad and want to punch them in the nose.”

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Is he right? And I like his 80's and early 90's music, the newer stuff is bad, though.

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Not a fair comparison but they are annoying as hell.

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Wasn't it the gamergate people sending bomb threats, personal threats, digging up personal information and hacking?

When even 4chan wants nothing to do with you it's generally not a good sign.

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Yeah, he's a moron. SJW's are regressive, and extremely annoying, but they are not mowing down 50 people in a ditch with machine gun fire, nor are they lynching black people.

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#5 zeroyaoi
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Wouldn't be the first time a horrible singer says something stupid.

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#6  Edited By deactivated-5cf0a2e13dbde
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@zeroyaoi said:

Wouldn't be the first time a horrible whiner says something stupid.

There, fixed it for you. He never was a singer.....

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@hillelslovak: I stand corrected. =P

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@zeroyaoi said:

Wouldn't be the first time a horrible singer says something stupid.

But.... I like Smashing Pumpkins, in the 90's of course.....

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@FireEmblem_Man:

Yeah Smashing Pumpkins were one of the defining bands of the 90's......Siamese Dream and Mellancollie were HUGE sellers and 2 of the most iconic albums er CD's of the 90's. Great albums despite his vocals.

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#10 stuff238
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SJW's are the absolute worst. I can't stand the liberal PC pro censorship movement. It is annoying when late night TV hosts blindly support this garbage.

They themselves are true fascists that they supposedly hate. SJW's are a hate group. Plain and simple.

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He's correct and most of them are hypocrites at their finest, claiming to be all for equality except for what they don't like. They demonize people over the most idiotic things and try to mind control everyone to think just like them, but if we don't, we are the enemy, we are womanizers, we are racists!

SJW are a cancer.

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@loco145 said:

Smashing Pumpkins frontman Billy Corgan has compared so-called “social justice warriors” to Maoists and the Ku Klux Klan in an interview with radio host Alex Jones. Corgan called the activists a “propaganda control arm” who are “here to control us” as Jones chimed in: “It’s classic tyranny.”

“They’re Maoists. They have the Little Red Book in their hand. You’re not gonna get them back.” Corgan said. “The only thing that’s going to adjust their ideological fixation is reality.”

Corgan said the “hashtag generation” of activists use peer pressure, shaming and mocking to force their way on forums like Twitter, which Corgan quit last year. “If you think someone is dumb or uneducated or a bigot or something, mocking them is not usually the best way to get through to them,” Corgan said.

Jones, the outspoken radio host and conspiracy theorist, responded by describing the same activists as “little arrogant 20-year-olds spitting in [people’s] faces, screaming at them: ‘You hate me because I’m a tranny’, and it’s just this made-up thing in their head.” The host added: “And I personally get mad and want to punch them in the nose.”

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Is he right? And I like his 80's and early 90's music, the newer stuff is bad, though.

See...as much as I agree that "SJW's" are often just whiny little punkass sissies who need to grow a spine, I ALSO think that the "people who whine about SJW's ruining society" are usually ALSO just whiny little punkass sissies who need to grow a spine.

Point being: when delivering a rant against "SJW's", ****ing Billy Corgan is not a good spokesman. Lord knows that I've loved the shit out of a lot of the man's music, but I'd be lying my ass off if I didn't say that a hell of a lot of that same music wasn't overblown and whiny as shit. Also, Billy Corgan is widely known as a nutbag conspiracy theorist, railing on about government created "chemtrails" designed to do some whatever thing. So when I hear THAT GUY go off about ANYTHING, I'm automatically gonna be wondering if he has a good point or if he's just being a paranoid whiny little punkass bitch.

Anyway...I'm not saying that the guy's wrong, but the fact that Billy Corgan is railing against "SJW's" sort of confirms exactly exactly what I've always thought about people who make a point of railing against "SJW'S". If this anti-SJW movement has any validity, then Billy Fucking Corgan is probably the wrong guy to act as a spokesman.

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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@zeroyaoi said:

Wouldn't be the first time a horrible singer says something stupid.

But.... I like Smashing Pumpkins, in the 90's of course.....

So did I. Hell, I still love that stuff immensely. But his music was always whiny as shit, at least as far back as Siamese Dream. And for his epic masterpiece followup, he was even whinier. And those are the good albums that mostly everyone remembers him for.

Seriously, go back and listen to that shit and don't tell me that he isn't coming off as a whiny little douchebag. Granted, it was the 90's and a lot of popular artists were being whiny. But at least bands like Nirvana did so while delivering a decent serving of "not giving a shit". Meanwhile, as much as I adore the music, I can't EVER listen to those Smashing Pumpkins albums and feel like they weren't giving a shit. The music was superb, but everything about that said, "please pay attention to me!" Which, granted, isn't inherently bad. That's sort of an artist's job: to get people to pay attention. But it just comes off as being hypocritial as hell to make music that is THAT whiny and overdramatic, and to then rail against "SJW's" for trying too hard to get attention.

To be fair, I actually agree with some of Corgan's comments. Especially regarding the effective way to go about public discourse. Despite being an atheist, I've been repeatedly been slammed here because I've opined that the whole "anti-religion" movement that started becoming big recently isn't doing anyone any good. Similarly, I've taken issue with the whole anti-cop movement for the same reasons. And likewise, I think that the "SJW's" should tone down their rhetoric if they actually care about changing people's minds, because that kind of approach isn't effective. But to be honest, I blame that more on modern discourse than on anything else. The communication revolution led to the idea that EVERYONE'S ideas are valid and therefore no one has to be a politician any more. EVERYONE is overly entitled these days because they CAN be, goddamnit. It's not an "SJW" thing, we live in an age in which everyone posts their most insignificant mundane shit on Facebook and gets mad if someone has a problem with it.

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@hillelslovak said:

Yeah, he's a moron. SJW's are regressive, and extremely annoying, but they are not mowing down 50 people in a ditch with machine gun fire, nor are they lynching black people.

What is a Hyperbole?

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I like to think of myself more like the evil Bolshevik hiding under your bed, sickle ground sharp and ideology glowing red.

But sure, I guess the comparison to a group like the KKK totally makes sense.

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@Sandulf29 said:

What is a Hyperbole?

It's one of the New Year's Day Bowl games.

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:P

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@MrGeezer:

Completely agree. And it seems to be infectious. I've seen people I know become so easily influenced by all the rhetoric and popular catchphrases, that they find themselves spewing the same nonsense. I know half these guys dont really believe this stuff when push comes to shove.

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My love for Smashing Pumpkins notwithstanding, Corgan is a major douche. It could be worse though. Looking at you, Ted Nugent.

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"in an interview with radio host Alex Jones."

...and we're done here

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@lostrib: Wake up, sheep! :P

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#23  Edited By deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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They're the same as maoists and much worse than the KKK.

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So, in a way you could say... that the world is a vampire.

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@Bigboi500 said:

He's correct and most of them are hypocrites at their finest, claiming to be all for equality except for what they don't like. They demonize people over the most idiotic things and try to mind control everyone to think just like them, but if we don't, we are the enemy, we are womanizers, we are racists!

SJW are a cancer.

check your privilege shitlord

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@Bigboi500 said:

He's correct and most of them are hypocrites at their finest, claiming to be all for equality except for what they don't like. They demonize people over the most idiotic things and try to mind control everyone to think just like them, but if we don't, we are the enemy, we are womanizers, we are racists!

SJW are a cancer.

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@hillelslovak said:

Yeah, he's a moron. SJW's are regressive, and extremely annoying, but they are not mowing down 50 people in a ditch with machine gun fire, nor are they lynching black people.

Many of these groups are getting close, I've heard many SJW call for violence against Males, or Whites or Cops, some have acted on it, and in fact there has been a noticeable up tick in violence against cops in the last couple years.

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@still_vicious said:
@hillelslovak said:

Yeah, he's a moron. SJW's are regressive, and extremely annoying, but they are not mowing down 50 people in a ditch with machine gun fire, nor are they lynching black people.

Many of these groups are getting close, I've heard many SJW call for violence against Males, or Whites or Cops, some have acted on it, and in fact there has been a noticeable up tick in violence against cops in the last couple years.

You dont attribute the violence against cops at all on the upswing of documentation on corruption within the police, and the rampant amount of murders police commit with impunity?

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eh. he can have a opinion.

to give more weight to his opinion simply because he is famous for his musical talent is idiotic though

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@lostrib said:

"in an interview with radio host Alex Jones."

...and we're done here

Exactly. How can you claim someone is spreading propaganda when your giving an interview for someone who fought American courts for the right to release propaganda.

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@hillelslovak said:
@still_vicious said:
@hillelslovak said:

Yeah, he's a moron. SJW's are regressive, and extremely annoying, but they are not mowing down 50 people in a ditch with machine gun fire, nor are they lynching black people.

Many of these groups are getting close, I've heard many SJW call for violence against Males, or Whites or Cops, some have acted on it, and in fact there has been a noticeable up tick in violence against cops in the last couple years.

You dont attribute the violence against cops at all on the upswing of documentation on corruption within the police, and the rampant amount of murders police commit with impunity?

No.

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It's pretty easy to make those comparisons. Obviously it's also pretty easy to point out the differences, but it's the comparisons I think that count. It's not about history and the actions behind the groups, it's about ideology and how it permeates through culture.

Also, I love Corgan's appearances on Alex Jones.

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@iandizion713 said:
@lostrib said:

"in an interview with radio host Alex Jones."

...and we're done here

Exactly. How can you claim someone is spreading propaganda when your giving an interview for someone who fought American courts for the right to release propaganda.

That's being mild. He's not just a propaganda man, he's a lunatic. If the President farts in his sleep, it's a government takeover.

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@hillelslovak: BREAKING NEWS - President Obama has just released chemical weapons on innocent American citizens.The chemical gas has effected the whole classroom and forced the school to evacuate the premises. Well get back to you as soon as we find more.

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This would be interesting if Corgan had made some decent music in the last 20 years. Now he's another washed up rock star spouting off to get some attention.

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@iandizion713 said:

@hillelslovak: BREAKING NEWS - President Obama has just released chemical weapons on innocent American citizens.The chemical gas has effected the whole classroom and forced the school to evacuate the premises. Well get back to you as soon as we find more.

Is this at all connected to Jade 12? First, chem trails! Next, LSD in the water supply. Obama is taking our guns, and will create project overlord! HE IS THE ANTICHRIST!!!!

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@Sandulf29 said:

Not a fair comparison but they are annoying as hell.

Why is it not fair? They want to limit freedom of speech in favour of their ideals. That's facism in a nutshell (and Mao was a fascist, despite calling himself a communist).

As for Corgan, I have a new appreciation for him. Glad there are some celebrities who actually stand up and have an opinion for once.

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@foxhound_fox said:
@Sandulf29 said:

Not a fair comparison but they are annoying as hell.

Why is it not fair? They want to limit freedom of speech in favour of their ideals. That's facism in a nutshell (and Mao was a fascist, despite calling himself a communist).

As for Corgan, I have a new appreciation for him. Glad there are some celebrities who actually stand up and have an opinion for once.

While I agree that SJWs are hypocritical assholes, it won't be a fair comparison until they actually start using violence on a massive scale, especially murder. The KKK has a much longer and brutal history than SJWs, who are small potatoes compared to the KKK.

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@lostrib said:

"in an interview with radio host Alex Jones."

...and we're done here

Seriously people! Alex Jones! Do we have people here that take that guy seriously? There is absolutely no one on earth easier to prove a charlatan than him. If so we need to do a serious intervention.

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SJW Warriors in a nutshell.

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#41  Edited By gamerguru100
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What the actual ****? Joke, right?

Screw your censor, GameSpot.

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@gamerguru100: I hope.

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@foxhound_fox said:
@Sandulf29 said:

Not a fair comparison but they are annoying as hell.

Why is it not fair? They want to limit freedom of speech in favour of their ideals. That's facism in a nutshell (and Mao was a fascist, despite calling himself a communist).

As for Corgan, I have a new appreciation for him. Glad there are some celebrities who actually stand up and have an opinion for once.

Because they haven't killed anyone yet or done much damage....mainly because they lack power