Bob Dole: GOP should be closed for repairs, Reagan would be uncomfortable

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] First off, neo conservatism doesnt even describe me. So its just a word being thrown around like its supposed to be offensive against someone you know nothing about, and hope it sticks in an argument, when you werent even called upon to argue. Second off all, I am a liberal, libertarian, and a conservative. And since the only viable party that can win that represents my views is the Republican, I am force to vote Republican. Dont see what the big deal is. You tend to attack me every chance you get. So, you must have some personal anger you cant get rid off, because apparently me just being here sets you off. MakeMeaSammitch

If Ronald Reagan would be uncomfortable and John McCain is disgusted then the Republicans must be doing something right.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]I'll hope for a third part that is fiscally conservative and socially iiberal.jimkabrhel

I've looked into the libertarian party. They do not fit my ideals, at least in practice by their politicians. Most that I've seen still look far more like far-right wing Republicans, particularly in the social area.

I find it interesting, as always, that you dismiss a well-known member of the GOP just beause you don't agree with him.

You sure we're looking at the same party? Most Libertarians put Democrats to shame on social issues. There are a few conservatives who call themselves libertarians, but most of them are registered republicans, not Libertarians.

Ray-gun was an asshole, Bob Dole is still an asshole. The Republican is a pile of putrefying shit, but those guys not wanting to be associated with them means absolutely nothing.

If Ronald Reagan would be uncomfortable and John McCain is disgusted then the Republicans must be doing something right.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] That would be the libertarian party.scoots9

I've looked into the libertarian party. They do not fit my ideals, at least in practice by their politicians. Most that I've seen still look far more like far-right wing Republicans, particularly in the social area.

I find it interesting, as always, that you dismiss a well-known member of the GOP just beause you don't agree with him.

You sure we're looking at the same party? Most Libertarians put Democrats to shame on social issues. There are a few conservatives who call themselves libertarians, but most of them are registered republicans, not Libertarians.

I was referring to those you describe in your second sentence. I haven't had much contact with true libertarians.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] First off, neo conservatism doesnt even describe me. So its just a word being thrown around like its supposed to be offensive against someone you know nothing about, and hope it sticks in an argument, when you werent even called upon to argue. Second off all, I am a liberal, libertarian, and a conservative. And since the only viable party that can win that represents my views is the Republican, I am force to vote Republican. Dont see what the big deal is. You tend to attack me every chance you get. So, you must have some personal anger you cant get rid off, because apparently me just being here sets you off. DevilMightCry

Sounds pretty neo-conservative to me.

You know, I don't really have too much of an issue with neoconservatism per se. Granted, W. didn't do any favors for it b/c horrendously incompetent.

if bob dole thinks reagan would uncomfortable with any sleazy ass shyt either party is up to then bob dole is a fool.

"secret arrangement in the 1980s to provide funds to the Nicaraguan contra rebels from profits gained by selling arms to Iran."

http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/history/iran-contra-affair.html

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] First off, neo conservatism doesnt even describe me. So its just a word being thrown around like its supposed to be offensive against someone you know nothing about, and hope it sticks in an argument, when you werent even called upon to argue. Second off all, I am a liberal, libertarian, and a conservative. And since the only viable party that can win that represents my views is the Republican, I am force to vote Republican. Dont see what the big deal is. You tend to attack me every chance you get. So, you must have some personal anger you cant get rid off, because apparently me just being here sets you off. DevilMightCry

Ace supports free market so he isn't a communist.

you're an idiot.

Ace supports free market so he isn't a communistMakeMeaSammitch

neo con is what you are by definition.

Ace supports free market so he isn't a communist.

you're an idiot.

MakeMeaSammitch

Neoconservatism (ni o knsr vtz m) n.a moderate form of political conservatism that generally opposes big government but supports social welfare and certain other liberal goals.[196065]ne`oconservative, n., adj.Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.

Quite the opposite. I dont support any liberal goals or social welfare, or liberal agenda.

Ray-gun was an asshole, Bob Dole is still an asshole. The Republican is a pile of putrefying shit, but those guys not wanting to be associated with them means absolutely nothing.

Rhazakna

there's something we can agree on.

though i do like how reagan expanded the federal government (even if he did a piss poor job of it).

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]Ace supports free market so he isn't a communistAce6301

For all the complaining about a 'federal welfare state' they do, republicans sure eat it up when offered.

 

br0kenrabbit

sucks that they get away with calling themselves fiscal conservatives.

Sometimes before bumping an old thread you should ask yourself "is bumping this really necessary?".

Sometimes before bumping an old thread you should ask yourself "is bumping this really necessary?".

worlock77

There is no "Republican Party" anymore. They barely even hold any traditional Republican views. Small government? Yeah, by forcing their Christian dogma on the nation through legislation against abortion, sexual education and science education.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]There is no "Republican Party" anymore. They barely even hold any traditional Republican views. Small government? Yeah, by forcing their Christian dogma on the nation through legislation against abortion, sexual education and science education.DevilMightCry

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

For all the complaining about a 'federal welfare state' they do, republicans sure eat it up when offered.

 

Serraph105

sucks that they get away with calling themselves fiscal conservatives.

It's kinda weird.

I would be fascinated to see some kind of major change (or dissolution or split or something) in the GOP in my lifetime (I am 21) since the "Republicans" have been around since the 1860s.

IronBeaver

I doubt something like that would happen thanks to the two party/first-past-the-post system.  Also unlike in other countries US parties lack party discipline in favor of an "umbrella" model - so while there is alot of infighting jockeying between factions around primaries and the like they all come together more or less to vote for their party once the general election comes because the alternative is the other party winning which none of them wants to happen.  This was pretty much the case with Romney - the Republican base never really liked him as a whole but because he beat out the weaker candidates in the primaries they still held their noses and voted for him against Obama.

Personally I'd rather see a proportional representation system which would allow for more parties to be electorally viable - in which case you definitely would see both the Republican and Democratic parties fracture into 3rd and 4th parties.

it's time for the core republicans to split off and make a new party like what the whigs did to become the Republicans, remove the cancer from power, start fresh.

it's time for the core republicans to split off and make a new party like what the whigs did to become the Republicans, remove the cancer from power, start fresh.

GummiRaccoon

Ah yes, I remember that episode in our nation's history.