BREAKING NEWS: France Might Win a War (Cote d'Ivoire)

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#1 fidosim
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/world/africa/12ivory.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp

I don't know if anyone has been following the situation in the Ivory Coast over the last month or so, but France has recently intervened militarily in a civil war that has been developing in its former colony. The former President, Laurent Gbagbo, lost an election deemed by the international community to be legitimate, but refused to hand over power to his successor. This turned into a shooting war between the elected successor, Alassane Ouattara,his supporters and the French military on one side, and Gbagbo and his loyalists holed up in Abidjan on the other.

Well today Gbagbo was captured and arrested, which seems to signal the beginning of the end for his loyalist forces. Although French troops didn't actually take part in his arrest, they did provide military support which allowed the rebels to do so; which means that the French could, theoretically, claim this as a military victory.

Thoughts? Are we entering a new era in which France actually wins wars? Is Ragnarok upon us?

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#2 Agent-Zero
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Well no matter what they are still French.
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#3 ZumaJones07
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No more searching "French war victories" in google to bring up the "I'm feeling lucky" results? Sad :(
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#4 Ninja-Hippo
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Well no matter what they are still French.Agent-Zero
You win the argument. :P
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#5 SkyWard20
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I find this thread xenophobic.

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#6 surrealnumber5
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I find this thread xenophobic.

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as long as the french dont have any xenogears we should still be ok.

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Thoughts? Are we entering a new era in which France actually wins wars? Is Ragnarok upon us?

fidosim

France has fought and won more wars than almost any nation in history. What do you mean by "France actually wins wars"?

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gotta love the Americans having a go at the French.

hello! if it wasn't for France the 13 colonies would have lost to the British!

France bankrupted themselves supporting the Americans and their military support was crucial to the American victory.

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#9 Pirate700
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Well no matter what they are still French.Agent-Zero
:lol: They can't even beat themselves.

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gotta love the Americans having a go at the French.

hello! if it wasn't for France the 13 colonies would have lost to the British!

France bankrupted themselves supporting the Americans and their military support was crucial to the American victory.

CwlHeddwyn

And without us the French would be speaking German. What's your point? One is a lot more recent than the other.

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#11 FrenchDynasty
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Well no matter what they are still French.Agent-Zero

You bet your jealous ass we are 8)

Gbagbois the lowest of the low as far as I see it, the guy is nothing more than horrid president he even refused to leave office after he lost the election which shows how poor a loser he isI hope we do claim this as a victory

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]

gotta love the Americans having a go at the French.

hello! if it wasn't for France the 13 colonies would have lost to the British!

France bankrupted themselves supporting the Americans and their military support was crucial to the American victory.

And without us the French would be speaking German. What's your point? One is a lot more recent than the other.

I'm not so sure about that. The Russkies probably would have finished off the Germans eventually.
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I'm now officially a 2012 believer.
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#14 VaguelyTagged
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i'm pretty sure they'll come up with a way to surrender in the last minutes of war.

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#15 Stesilaus
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A bit of background reading quickly reveals the real reason that France / the EU / the UN have been so anxious to get Alassane Ouattara in power.

He's a longtime member of the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

You can bet that Ouattara will be repaying his benefactors by doing what the IMF does best, i.e. miring a Third World country so deeply in debt that it becomes forever subordinate to some wealthy pigs somewhere in the West.

A few years from now, when the citizens of Cote d'Ivoire realize the severity of the "austerity measures" imposed on them for defaulting on IMF loan repayments, they may wish they'd let Gbagbo steal the election.

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#16 Sajo7
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Don't get too excited, they just needed to capture him so they could explain the terms of their surrender.
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#17 Fundai
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Pardon??? did you just say French Military victories?

No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.

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I may be ignorant... but where did the idea that the French lose all wars and always surrender come from?

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Pardon??? did you just say French Military victories?

No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.

Your search - french military victories - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:

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Fundai

Heh when I did that search with the "I'm feeling lucky" button, it came up with: "Did you mean: french military defeats"

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#20 Fundai
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I may be ignorant... but where did the idea that the French lose all wars and always surrender come from?

BMD004

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

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#21 LordRork
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I think this demands accuracy.

France have now won a war against half a country that was on the back foot from the internationally recognised half.

BREAKING NEWS: Tomorrow, France will be stealing chocolate from small children.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"]

I may be ignorant... but where did the idea that the French lose all wars and always surrender come from?

Fundai

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

http://www.militaryfactory.com/battles/french_military_victories.asp
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#23 Fundai
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[QUOTE="Fundai"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

I may be ignorant... but where did the idea that the French lose all wars and always surrender come from?

BMD004

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

http://www.militaryfactory.com/battles/french_military_victories.asp

lets see... Get the easy ones out of the way... 1066, they were normans, technicly not french at this point...

In the end With Napolean they lost, though i Have to Admit Hes was One of the greatest generals of all time...

WW1 the French Really only won because they had help with that, WW2 they actually surendered...

So since Charlmagne they havent been able to actually Win a war without anyones help...

Anyway, its just a funny stereotype, doesent really matter.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Fundai"]

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

Fundai

http://www.militaryfactory.com/battles/french_military_victories.asp

lets see... Get the easy ones out of the way... 1066, they were normans, technicly not french at this point...

In the end With Napolean they lost, though i Have to Admit Hes was One of the greatest generals of all time...

WW1 the French Really only won because they had help with that, WW2 they actually surendered...

So since Charlmagne they havent been able to actually Win a war without anyones help...

Anyway, its just a funny stereotype, doesent really matter.

I'm just wondering where it came from. How did it start?

And most countries in the past hundred or more years have had help in their victories.

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[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]

gotta love the Americans having a go at the French.

hello! if it wasn't for France the 13 colonies would have lost to the British!

France bankrupted themselves supporting the Americans and their military support was crucial to the American victory.

Pirate700

And without us the French would be speaking German. What's your point? One is a lot more recent than the other.

Funny how people group themselves into 'us' and 'we' in relation to something they had absolutely nothing to do with.
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#26 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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The problem is that us americans aren't really good at making fun of the french. We need to leave that to the British. They have mastered that art. Peter Sellers!

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#27 -RocBoys9489-
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No more searching "French war victories" in google to bring up the "I'm feeling lucky" results? Sad :(ZumaJones07
LO' fricken L!

- World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States [Entering the war late -ed.]. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

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#28 ravenhost91
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What a dumb myth that France never won any wars. Think of all the wars Charlemange won. He probably won more battles than any European ruler ever. The French nearly single-handedly won the First Crusade. They won the 100 Years War. It all depends on what you consider France. In reality Germany as a country didnt win too many wars either. Prussia on the other hand did. Likewise, the Normans won a hell of a lot of wars, but do they count as French?
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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]No more searching "French war victories" in google to bring up the "I'm feeling lucky" results? Sad :(-RocBoys9489-

LO' fricken L!

- World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States [Entering the war late -ed.]. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

Ahh, yes, the cherished American bloodline. I'm sure the French just wished they had some more fat and ignorant in their DNA.

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This whole thread is a mess of american jingoism...
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]

gotta love the Americans having a go at the French.

hello! if it wasn't for France the 13 colonies would have lost to the British!

France bankrupted themselves supporting the Americans and their military support was crucial to the American victory.

Ninja-Hippo

And without us the French would be speaking German. What's your point? One is a lot more recent than the other.

Funny how people group themselves into 'us' and 'we' in relation to something they had absolutely nothing to do with.

The country in which you live would be "we".

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[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Fundai"]

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

Fundai

http://www.militaryfactory.com/battles/french_military_victories.asp

lets see... Get the easy ones out of the way... 1066, they were normans, technicly not french at this point...

In the end With Napolean they lost, though i Have to Admit Hes was One of the greatest generals of all time...

WW1 the French Really only won because they had help with that, WW2 they actually surendered...

So since Charlmagne they havent been able to actually Win a war without anyones help...

Anyway, its just a funny stereotype, doesent really matter.

Normans weren't French? So living in France isn't enough to be considered French? Do you only consider those victories after installation of the Capetian dynasty? Because that is so very wrong.

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#33 ruhunrocks
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I find this thread xenophobic.

SkyWard20

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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]No more searching "French war victories" in google to bring up the "I'm feeling lucky" results? Sad :(ravenhost91

LO' fricken L!

- World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States [Entering the war late -ed.]. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

Ahh, yes, the cherished American bloodline. I'm sure the French just wished they had some more fat and ignorant in their DNA.

I'm American and I was sticking up for France in this thread. Here is a tip... if you are going to argue with others about stereotyping, you might help your argument more if you don't stoop down to their level and do it yourself. Now you are no better than them.
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Are we entering a new era in which France actually wins wars? Is Ragnarok upon us?fidosim
Yeah, probably. A French-led Ragnarok isn't much to worry about, though.
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#36 lordreaven
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You Also have the 4th crusade in which French and Venetian troops nearly destroyed the Roman Empire (You may call it Byzantium too). In fact, not alot of armies very recently won wars without help, the US hasn't won a war on it's own since the US-Spanish war. Britan hasn't won a war by itself since the Boer war (iirc). The last war the Japanese won by themselves was the Russo-Japanese war iirc

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#37 aransom
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Is it wrong to call it Ivory Coast still? As a person of English decent, I'm disinclined to say it the French way, and I can't pronounce it right anyway.

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[QUOTE="Fundai"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] http://www.militaryfactory.com/battles/french_military_victories.aspravenhost91

lets see... Get the easy ones out of the way... 1066, they were normans, technicly not french at this point...

In the end With Napolean they lost, though i Have to Admit Hes was One of the greatest generals of all time...

WW1 the French Really only won because they had help with that, WW2 they actually surendered...

So since Charlmagne they havent been able to actually Win a war without anyones help...

Anyway, its just a funny stereotype, doesent really matter.

Normans weren't French? So living in France isn't enough to be considered French? Do you only consider those victories after installation of the Capetian dynasty? Because that is so very wrong.


Normans where technicly not under a unified french flag they were... Normans...

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]And without us the French would be speaking German. What's your point? One is a lot more recent than the other.

Pirate700

Funny how people group themselves into 'us' and 'we' in relation to something they had absolutely nothing to do with.

The country in which you live would be "we".

Only no, it wouldn't. "We saved your ass in the war!" No, YOU didn't. You didn't do a damned thing. It's a safe bet you weren't even born.
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[QUOTE="ravenhost91"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

lets see... Get the easy ones out of the way... 1066, they were normans, technicly not french at this point...

In the end With Napolean they lost, though i Have to Admit Hes was One of the greatest generals of all time...

WW1 the French Really only won because they had help with that, WW2 they actually surendered...

So since Charlmagne they havent been able to actually Win a war without anyones help...

Anyway, its just a funny stereotype, doesent really matter.

Fundai

Normans weren't French? So living in France isn't enough to be considered French? Do you only consider those victories after installation of the Capetian dynasty? Because that is so very wrong.


Normans where technicly not under a unified french flag they were... Normans...

Half of the so called "defeats" were way before France was united under a single flag. THERE WAS NO SINGLE KING OR GOVERNMENT OF WHAT IS NOW MODERN DAY FRANCE AFTER THE DEATH OF CHARLEMANGE (and Louis the pious) FOR A FEW HUNDRED YEARS. So if you are going to consider French victory/defeats for the Capetians or Carolingians, you might as well include the Normans and their victories/defeats.

The stupid website says in the Franco-Prussian war, Germany, GERMANY, defeated France, when actually it was only Prussia, which isn't technically Germany but just a kingdom within Germany, just like Normandy was in France.

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[QUOTE="Fundai"] [QUOTE="ravenhost91"] [QUOTE="Fundai"] lets see... Get the easy ones out of the way... 1066, they were normans, technicly not french at this point... In the end With Napolean they lost, though i Have to Admit Hes was One of the greatest generals of all time... WW1 the French Really only won because they had help with that, WW2 they actually surendered... So since Charlmagne they havent been able to actually Win a war without anyones help... Anyway, its just a funny stereotype, doesent really matter.

Normans weren't French? So living in France isn't enough to be considered French? Do you only consider those victories after installation of the Capetian dynasty? Because that is so very wrong.

Normans where technicly not under a unified french flag they were... Normans...

At the time, the french territory was like a federation (several small country, sometime allied, sometime at war. Think England and the Wales). Even if they were Normans, they were part of the french crown or at least had a treaty with the french royal dynasty (the Merovingian and the Carolingian).
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The ignorance in this thread is astounding. France is one of the most militarily successful nations on the planet, unlike the US which hasn't ever won a war on its own and has a terrible habbit of doing nothing until the last minute when they finally mop up.

Read number 5 for a bit of insight. Do any of you actually know whythe French had to surrender in WWII? I'll hazzard a guess at no.

I'd suggest some of you research a bit of history.

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The ignorance in this thread is astounding. France is one of the most militarily successful nations on the planet, unlike the US which hasn't ever won a war on its own and has a terrible habbit of doing nothing until the last minute when they finally mop up.

Read number 5 for a bit of insight. Do any of you actually know whythe French had to surrender in WWII? I'll hazzard a guess at no.

I'd suggest some of you research a bit of history.

raynimrod

Its pretty comedic too.. If Great Britain was landlocked to Europe they would have been steam rolled by the Germans just like the French were..

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#44 raynimrod
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[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

The ignorance in this thread is astounding. France is one of the most militarily successful nations on the planet, unlike the US which hasn't ever won a war on its own and has a terrible habbit of doing nothing until the last minute when they finally mop up.

Read number 5 for a bit of insight. Do any of you actually know whythe French had to surrender in WWII? I'll hazzard a guess at no.

I'd suggest some of you research a bit of history.

sSubZerOo

Its pretty comedic too.. If Great Britain was landlocked to Europe they would have been steam rolled by the Germans just like the French were..

Unfortunately it's true.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/world/africa/12ivory.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp

I don't know if anyone has been following the situation in the Ivory Coast over the last month or so, but France has recently intervened militarily in a civil war that has been developing in its former colony. The former President, Laurent Gbagbo, lost an election deemed by the international community to be legitimate, but refused to hand over power to his successor. This turned into a shooting war between the elected successor, Alassane Ouattara,his supporters and the French military on one side, and Gbagbo and his loyalists holed up in Abidjan on the other.

Well today Gbagbo was captured and arrested, which seems to signal the beginning of the end for his loyalist forces. Although French troops didn't actually take part in his arrest, they did provide military support which allowed the rebels to do so; which means that the French could, theoretically, claim this as a military victory.

Thoughts? Are we entering a new era in which France actually wins wars? Is Ragnarok upon us?

fidosim

I don't think its going to win.

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#46 MetallicaKings
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[QUOTE="fidosim"]Thoughts? Are we entering a new era in which France actually wins wars? Is Ragnarok upon us?

Samurai_Xavier

France has fought and won more wars than almost any nation in history. What do you mean by "France actually wins wars"?

ah now we know where you are from....
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#47 Lonelynight
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] I'm not so sure about that. The Russkies probably would have finished off the Germans eventually.

If it were the Soviets who liberated France, they would have probably set up a puppet communist government in France.
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#48 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] I'm not so sure about that. The Russkies probably would have finished off the Germans eventually.Lonelynight
If it were the Soviets who liberated France, they would have probably set up a puppet communist government in France.

Thats doubtful.. The only reason to why it happened in part of Germany is because that was the end war agreement in the UN deciding the "management" of Germany in it being rebuilt..

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#49 percech
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Idk, didn't the French help you guys win your independence? Doesn't that count too?
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#50 htekemerald
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France won a war? Maybe those 2012 theories aren't so far off.