Bush OFFICIALLY VETOS Legislation Barring Use of Waterboarding.

[QUOTE="Clinton015"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

[QUOTE="Clinton015"]^^^Collateral Damage is war...if we only carried out attacks with zero CD probability we'd never carry out an attackHoobinator

I was waiting for someone to say this. Collateral Damage, the best excuse against civilian bombing campaigns.

Example:

Terrorist detonates IED nearby a US military base, kills 4 US soldiers, kills 26 civilians.... collateral damage, but job done.

And the US wants you to think they're fighting for the people over in the foreign lands. Truth is they don't give a **** about you or those people, only their interests.

See I can play this game as well.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Clinton015"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

[QUOTE="Clinton015"]^^^Collateral Damage is war...if we only carried out attacks with zero CD probability we'd never carry out an attackClinton015

I was waiting for someone to say this. Collateral Damage, the best excuse against civilian bombing campaigns.

Example:

Terrorist detonates IED nearby a US military base, kills 4 US soldiers, kills 26 civilians.... collateral damage, but job done.

And the US wants you to think they're fighting for the people over in the foreign lands. Truth is they don't give a **** about you or those people, only their interests.

See I can play this game as well.

Oil contracts, infrastructure contracts, military contracts for private companies and a potential military base central middle east from which to launch attacks against Iran from.

But of course the US loves the Iraqi people. :|

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

I was waiting for someone to say this. Collateral Damage, the best excuse against civilian bombing campaigns.

Example:

Terrorist detonates IED nearby a US military base, kills 4 US soldiers, kills 26 civilians.... collateral damage, but job done.

The_Ish

Your point would have more value if those same terrorists never tried attacking civilians directly and specifically, or tried to minimized the amount of civilians caught in the crossfire. But they don't.

Again way to lump all fighting forces in Iraq under the same "terrorist" umbrella.

I suppose Moqtadar Al Sadr's army who targetting specifically the US army would be justified in its decisions to do so, am I right? And no neither he nor his army carried out indiscriminate bombings against civilian populations.

And the Taliban in Afghanistan up to very recently focused primarily on the US army, one of the reasons why many Afghans are beginning to show more support for the Taliban

how can you defend regimes guilty of teh crimes you accuse us of?Clinton015

I don't. I use them to show the hypocrisy of people, who seem to justify American attacks or US brutalities but are appalled when a similar attack is committed by a "terrorist".

Bomb a town centre with an IED you're a savage terrorist. Put a bomb on a missile and launch it into a town centre you're now protecting the towns peoples values and freedoms. Oh the hypocrisy.:roll:

[QUOTE="Clinton015"]how can you defend regimes guilty of teh crimes you accuse us of?Hoobinator

I don't. I use them to show the hypocrisy of people, who seem to justify American attacks or US brutalities but are appalled when a similar attack is committed by a "terrorist".

Bomb a town centre with an IED you're a savage terrorist. Put a bomb on a missile and launch it into a town centre you're now protecting the towns peoples values and freedoms. Oh the hypocrisy.:roll:

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

[QUOTE="Clinton015"]how can you defend regimes guilty of teh crimes you accuse us of?Clinton015

I don't. I use them to show the hypocrisy of people, who seem to justify American attacks or US brutalities but are appalled when a similar attack is committed by a "terrorist".

Bomb a town centre with an IED you're a savage terrorist. Put a bomb on a missile and launch it into a town centre you're now protecting the towns peoples values and freedoms. Oh the hypocrisy.:roll:

My friend went to Iran as part of a University trip, he studies architecture. He loved the place and warm people, and wanted badly to go back there again, was planning driving there through Turkey. He asked me to come along.

So yeah, one day I may well get out there.

Again way to lump all fighting forces in Iraq under the same "terrorist" umbrella.

I suppose Moqtadar Al Sadr's army who targetting specifically the US army would be justified in its decisions to do so, am I right? And no neither he nor his army carried out indiscriminate bombings against civilian populations.

Al Sadr's army do not have the support of the Iraqi people. Not nearly as much as the US does (since the Iraqis actually want a democratic government and work with the US more and more). What they do against the US, they do against the people they claim are trying to help.

And the Taliban in Afghanistan up to very recently focused primarily on the US army, one of the reasons why many Afghans support are beginning to show more support for the Taliban

It is the job of the military to dispose of the Taliban because they are terrorists because they have attacked US citizens and have had tried to attack US citizens. Their lack of discrimination now makes them more fit to be terrorists.

Did you forget the reason the US attacked Afghanistan first? How was that a point at all?

Hoobinator

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Again way to lump all fighting forces in Iraq under the same "terrorist" umbrella.

I suppose Moqtadar Al Sadr's army who targetting specifically the US army would be justified in its decisions to do so, am I right? And no neither he nor his army carried out indiscriminate bombings against civilian populations.

Al Sadr's army do not have the support of the Iraqi people. Not nearly as much as the US does (since the Iraqis actually want a democratic government and work with the US more and more). What they do against the US, they do against the people they claim are trying to help.

And the Taliban in Afghanistan up to very recently focused primarily on the US army, one of the reasons why many Afghans support are beginning to show more support for the Taliban

The_Ish

It is the job of the military to dispose of the Taliban because they are terrorists because they have attacked US citizens and have had tried to attack US citizens. Their lack of discrimination now makes them more fit to be terrorists.

Did you forget the reason the US attacked Afghanistan first? How was that a point at all?

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Again way to lump all fighting forces in Iraq under the same "terrorist" umbrella.

I suppose Moqtadar Al Sadr's army who targetting specifically the US army would be justified in its decisions to do so, am I right? And no neither he nor his army carried out indiscriminate bombings against civilian populations.

Al Sadr's army do not have the support of the Iraqi people. Not nearly as much as the US does (since the Iraqis actually want a democratic government and work with the US more and more). What they do against the US, they do against the people they claim are trying to help.

And the Taliban in Afghanistan up to very recently focused primarily on the US army, one of the reasons why many Afghans support are beginning to show more support for the Taliban

Hoobinator

It is the job of the military to dispose of the Taliban because they are terrorists because they have attacked US citizens and have had tried to attack US citizens. Their lack of discrimination now makes them more fit to be terrorists.

Did you forget the reason the US attacked Afghanistan first? How was that a point at all?

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

[QUOTE="Clinton015"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

[QUOTE="Clinton015"]how can you defend regimes guilty of teh crimes you accuse us of?Hoobinator

I don't. I use them to show the hypocrisy of people, who seem to justify American attacks or US brutalities but are appalled when a similar attack is committed by a "terrorist".

Bomb a town centre with an IED you're a savage terrorist. Put a bomb on a missile and launch it into a town centre you're now protecting the towns peoples values and freedoms. Oh the hypocrisy.:roll:

My friend went to Iran as part of a University trip, he studies architecture. He loved the place and warm people, and wanted badly to go back there again, was planning driving there through Turkey. He asked me to come along.

So yeah, one day I may well get out there.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Clinton015"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

[QUOTE="Clinton015"]how can you defend regimes guilty of teh crimes you accuse us of?Clinton015

I don't. I use them to show the hypocrisy of people, who seem to justify American attacks or US brutalities but are appalled when a similar attack is committed by a "terrorist".

Bomb a town centre with an IED you're a savage terrorist. Put a bomb on a missile and launch it into a town centre you're now protecting the towns peoples values and freedoms. Oh the hypocrisy.:roll:

My friend went to Iran as part of a University trip, he studies architecture. He loved the place and warm people, and wanted badly to go back there again, was planning driving there through Turkey. He asked me to come along.

So yeah, one day I may well get out there.

I'm not American. And... :lol:

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Again way to lump all fighting forces in Iraq under the same "terrorist" umbrella.

I suppose Moqtadar Al Sadr's army who targetting specifically the US army would be justified in its decisions to do so, am I right? And no neither he nor his army carried out indiscriminate bombings against civilian populations.

Al Sadr's army do not have the support of the Iraqi people. Not nearly as much as the US does (since the Iraqis actually want a democratic government and work with the US more and more). What they do against the US, they do against the people they claim are trying to help.

And the Taliban in Afghanistan up to very recently focused primarily on the US army, one of the reasons why many Afghans support are beginning to show more support for the Taliban

cpo335

It is the job of the military to dispose of the Taliban because they are terrorists because they have attacked US citizens and have had tried to attack US citizens. Their lack of discrimination now makes them more fit to be terrorists.

Did you forget the reason the US attacked Afghanistan first? How was that a point at all?

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

You really don't know do you? Do you even know who is there? And what makes your sources any less liberal and propaganda filled than mine?cpo335

I don't think he ever said "liberal".

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Again way to lump all fighting forces in Iraq under the same "terrorist" umbrella.

I suppose Moqtadar Al Sadr's army who targetting specifically the US army would be justified in its decisions to do so, am I right? And no neither he nor his army carried out indiscriminate bombings against civilian populations.

Al Sadr's army do not have the support of the Iraqi people. Not nearly as much as the US does (since the Iraqis actually want a democratic government and work with the US more and more). What they do against the US, they do against the people they claim are trying to help.

And the Taliban in Afghanistan up to very recently focused primarily on the US army, one of the reasons why many Afghans support are beginning to show more support for the Taliban

cpo335

It is the job of the military to dispose of the Taliban because they are terrorists because they have attacked US citizens and have had tried to attack US citizens. Their lack of discrimination now makes them more fit to be terrorists.

Did you forget the reason the US attacked Afghanistan first? How was that a point at all?

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

OK. Show me proof that the Taliban and Afghans were behind 9/11..... There isn't any.

But if you want, bring me proof. I've shown you who the Hijackers were and which countries they came from.

[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Again way to lump all fighting forces in Iraq under the same "terrorist" umbrella.

I suppose Moqtadar Al Sadr's army who targetting specifically the US army would be justified in its decisions to do so, am I right? And no neither he nor his army carried out indiscriminate bombings against civilian populations.

Al Sadr's army do not have the support of the Iraqi people. Not nearly as much as the US does (since the Iraqis actually want a democratic government and work with the US more and more). What they do against the US, they do against the people they claim are trying to help.

And the Taliban in Afghanistan up to very recently focused primarily on the US army, one of the reasons why many Afghans support are beginning to show more support for the Taliban

Hoobinator

It is the job of the military to dispose of the Taliban because they are terrorists because they have attacked US citizens and have had tried to attack US citizens. Their lack of discrimination now makes them more fit to be terrorists.

Did you forget the reason the US attacked Afghanistan first? How was that a point at all?

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

OK. Show me proof that the Taliban and Afghans were behind 9/11..... There isn't any.

But if you want, bring me proof. I've shown you who the Hijackers were and which countries they came from.

Oh and if you're not American, why do you care about us so much?

[QUOTE="Clinton015"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Clinton015"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

[QUOTE="Clinton015"]how can you defend regimes guilty of teh crimes you accuse us of?Hoobinator

I don't. I use them to show the hypocrisy of people, who seem to justify American attacks or US brutalities but are appalled when a similar attack is committed by a "terrorist".

Bomb a town centre with an IED you're a savage terrorist. Put a bomb on a missile and launch it into a town centre you're now protecting the towns peoples values and freedoms. Oh the hypocrisy.:roll:

My friend went to Iran as part of a University trip, he studies architecture. He loved the place and warm people, and wanted badly to go back there again, was planning driving there through Turkey. He asked me to come along.

So yeah, one day I may well get out there.

I'm not American. And... :lol:

[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Again way to lump all fighting forces in Iraq under the same "terrorist" umbrella.

I suppose Moqtadar Al Sadr's army who targetting specifically the US army would be justified in its decisions to do so, am I right? And no neither he nor his army carried out indiscriminate bombings against civilian populations.

Al Sadr's army do not have the support of the Iraqi people. Not nearly as much as the US does (since the Iraqis actually want a democratic government and work with the US more and more). What they do against the US, they do against the people they claim are trying to help.

And the Taliban in Afghanistan up to very recently focused primarily on the US army, one of the reasons why many Afghans support are beginning to show more support for the Taliban

Clinton015

It is the job of the military to dispose of the Taliban because they are terrorists because they have attacked US citizens and have had tried to attack US citizens. Their lack of discrimination now makes them more fit to be terrorists.

Did you forget the reason the US attacked Afghanistan first? How was that a point at all?

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

Liberal BS... as opposed to right wing BS. All media is BS. You can read my sig.

no wonder....where are you from...figures with the capacity u have for spilling this BS...Clinton015

BS. I provide facts, rather than spouting right wing american propaganda from your mouth.

And if you had been reading and paying attention in this thread you'd know where I'm from. So run along and look through the pages of this thread and you'll find out.

[QUOTE="Clinton015"][QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Again way to lump all fighting forces in Iraq under the same "terrorist" umbrella.

I suppose Moqtadar Al Sadr's army who targetting specifically the US army would be justified in its decisions to do so, am I right? And no neither he nor his army carried out indiscriminate bombings against civilian populations.

Al Sadr's army do not have the support of the Iraqi people. Not nearly as much as the US does (since the Iraqis actually want a democratic government and work with the US more and more). What they do against the US, they do against the people they claim are trying to help.

And the Taliban in Afghanistan up to very recently focused primarily on the US army, one of the reasons why many Afghans support are beginning to show more support for the Taliban

Hoobinator

It is the job of the military to dispose of the Taliban because they are terrorists because they have attacked US citizens and have had tried to attack US citizens. Their lack of discrimination now makes them more fit to be terrorists.

Did you forget the reason the US attacked Afghanistan first? How was that a point at all?

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

Liberal BS... as opposed to right wing BS. All media is BS. You can read my sig.

[QUOTE="Clinton015"][QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Again way to lump all fighting forces in Iraq under the same "terrorist" umbrella.

I suppose Moqtadar Al Sadr's army who targetting specifically the US army would be justified in its decisions to do so, am I right? And no neither he nor his army carried out indiscriminate bombings against civilian populations.

Al Sadr's army do not have the support of the Iraqi people. Not nearly as much as the US does (since the Iraqis actually want a democratic government and work with the US more and more). What they do against the US, they do against the people they claim are trying to help.

And the Taliban in Afghanistan up to very recently focused primarily on the US army, one of the reasons why many Afghans support are beginning to show more support for the Taliban

Hoobinator

It is the job of the military to dispose of the Taliban because they are terrorists because they have attacked US citizens and have had tried to attack US citizens. Their lack of discrimination now makes them more fit to be terrorists.

Did you forget the reason the US attacked Afghanistan first? How was that a point at all?

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

Liberal BS... as opposed to right wing BS. All media is BS. You can read my sig.

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

Hoobinator

Who said these terrorists had to be Afghani? :|

Regardless, the Taliban was a haven for Al Queda and anti-US terrorists.

And the reasons the Taliban are getting successes with the Afghani people now isn't because of US intervention, but rather because of a corrupt administration.

So...once again...how is that a point at all?

Havn't you ever heard of Osama Bin Laden? Or do you think that 9/11 was made soley of a group of guys who hated the US. Maybe you are one of those pathetic people who think it was a conspiracy?

Oh and if you're not American, why do you care about us so much?

cpo335

Firstly torture, especially one that is condoned by a superpower affects everyone. So as a human being I have a right to speak against it.

Secondly Osama Bin Laden was never found in Afghanistan after 71/2 years of looking. He could quite easily be in Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgzstan, Tajikistan, some even speculate western China.

Come back to me when you find him, I'd like a word with him.

[QUOTE="cpo335"]

Havn't you ever heard of Osama Bin Laden? Or do you think that 9/11 was made soley of a group of guys who hated the US. Maybe you are one of those pathetic people who think it was a conspiracy?

Oh and if you're not American, why do you care about us so much?

Hoobinator

Firstly torture, especially one that is condoned by a superpower affects everyone. So as a human being I have a right to speak against it.

Secondly Osama Bin Laden was never found in Afghanistan after 71/2 years of looking. He could quite easily be in Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgzstan, Tajikistan, some even speculate western China.

Come back to me when you find him, I'd like a word with him.

And I'm not just talking about the torture thing, every thread about the US you seem to have to post in. And your posts are agaisnt the US. Why? If you are not American why do you feel so inclined to be associated with us?

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

The_Ish

Who said these terrorists had to be Afghani? :|

Regardless, the Taliban was a haven for Al Queda and anti-US terrorists.

And the reasons the Taliban are getting successes with the Afghani people now isn't because of US intervention, but rather because of a corrupt administration.

So...once again...how is that a point at all?

Again, you implicitly stated that the Taliban were behind 9/11.... I have pretty much shown that they weren't. So you thinking that the war in Afghanistan was because the Taliban bombed the Twin Towers is completely infounded and false.

Your argument was destroyed.

Firstly torture, especially one that is condoned by a superpower affects everyone. So as a human being I have a right to speak against it.

Good for you. Fortunatly, both of our countries support free speech.

Secondly Osama Bin Laden was never found in Afghanistan after 71/2 years of looking. He could quite easily be in Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgzstan, Tajikistan, some even speculate western China.

We still caught many or killed many of the people involved with 911, hardly a failure. In fact, it isn't.

Come back to me when you find him, I'd like a word with him.

How is this relevent?

And how does this nullify the usefulness of torture, or the US's right to use such tortures?

Hoobinator

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

Hoobinator

Who said these terrorists had to be Afghani? :|

Regardless, the Taliban was a haven for Al Queda and anti-US terrorists.

And the reasons the Taliban are getting successes with the Afghani people now isn't because of US intervention, but rather because of a corrupt administration.

So...once again...how is that a point at all?

Again, you implicitly stated that the Taliban were behind 9/11.... I have pretty much shown that they weren't. So you thinking that the war in Afghanistan was because the Taliban bombed the Twin Towers is completely infounded and false.

Your argument was destroyed.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="cpo335"]

Havn't you ever heard of Osama Bin Laden? Or do you think that 9/11 was made soley of a group of guys who hated the US. Maybe you are one of those pathetic people who think it was a conspiracy?

Oh and if you're not American, why do you care about us so much?

cpo335

Firstly torture, especially one that is condoned by a superpower affects everyone. So as a human being I have a right to speak against it.

Secondly Osama Bin Laden was never found in Afghanistan after 71/2 years of looking. He could quite easily be in Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgzstan, Tajikistan, some even speculate western China.

Come back to me when you find him, I'd like a word with him.

And I'm not just talking about the torture thing, every thread about the US you seem to have to post in. And your posts are agaisnt the US. Why? If you are not American why do you feel so inclined to be associated with us?

I'd like to tell him he's been a naughty boy.

I speak out against US policies. Notice how in everyone of those threads I vehemently speak out against their policies, most of which are because of their foreign policy actions. And I have a right to. What you gonna do, silence me.

Again, you implicitly stated that the Taliban were behind 9/11.... I have pretty much shown that they weren't. So you thinking that the war in Afghanistan was because the Taliban bombed the Twin Towers is completely infounded and false.

Your argument was destroyed.

Hoobinator

I didn't implicitly state that the Taliban were behind 9/11. Ever. Way to take my words out of context, and putting imagined ones in my mouth. You havn't made a single point as to why the US should abandon some forms of torture yet.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

Clinton015

Who said these terrorists had to be Afghani? :|

Regardless, the Taliban was a haven for Al Queda and anti-US terrorists.

And the reasons the Taliban are getting successes with the Afghani people now isn't because of US intervention, but rather because of a corrupt administration.

So...once again...how is that a point at all?

Again, you implicitly stated that the Taliban were behind 9/11.... I have pretty much shown that they weren't. So you thinking that the war in Afghanistan was because the Taliban bombed the Twin Towers is completely infounded and false.

Your argument was destroyed.

Again I agree that they may have been in collusion with "al qaeda" forces, but The_Ish implied that they were directly it, which is a wrong assumption.

[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="cpo335"]

Havn't you ever heard of Osama Bin Laden? Or do you think that 9/11 was made soley of a group of guys who hated the US. Maybe you are one of those pathetic people who think it was a conspiracy?

Oh and if you're not American, why do you care about us so much?

Hoobinator

Firstly torture, especially one that is condoned by a superpower affects everyone. So as a human being I have a right to speak against it.

Secondly Osama Bin Laden was never found in Afghanistan after 71/2 years of looking. He could quite easily be in Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgzstan, Tajikistan, some even speculate western China.

Come back to me when you find him, I'd like a word with him.

And I'm not just talking about the torture thing, every thread about the US you seem to have to post in. And your posts are agaisnt the US. Why? If you are not American why do you feel so inclined to be associated with us?

I'd like to tell him he's been a naughty boy.

I speak out against US policies. Notice how in everyone of those threads I vehemently speak out against their policies, most of which are because of their foreign policy actions. And I have a right to. What you gonna do, silence me.

[QUOTE="Clinton015"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

Hoobinator

Who said these terrorists had to be Afghani? :|

Regardless, the Taliban was a haven for Al Queda and anti-US terrorists.

And the reasons the Taliban are getting successes with the Afghani people now isn't because of US intervention, but rather because of a corrupt administration.

So...once again...how is that a point at all?

Again, you implicitly stated that the Taliban were behind 9/11.... I have pretty much shown that they weren't. So you thinking that the war in Afghanistan was because the Taliban bombed the Twin Towers is completely infounded and false.

Your argument was destroyed.

Again I agree that they may have been in collusion with "al qaeda" forces, but The_Ish implied that they were directly it, which is a wrong assumption.

I'd like to tell him he's been a naughty boy.

I speak out against US policies. Notice how in everyone of those threads I vehemently speak out against their policies, most of which are because of their foreign policy actions. And I have a right to. What you gonna do, silence me.

Hoobinator

Whoa now, no need to act like you're some lone rebel. Which you aren't. No need for such tones, he never made any implication that he wants you to stop talking.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Again, you implicitly stated that the Taliban were behind 9/11.... I have pretty much shown that they weren't. So you thinking that the war in Afghanistan was because the Taliban bombed the Twin Towers is completely infounded and false.

Your argument was destroyed.

The_Ish

I didn't implicitly state that the Taliban were behind 9/11. Ever. Way to take my words out of context, and putting imagined ones in my mouth. You havn't made a single point as to why the US should abandon some forms of torture yet.

I haven't made any points why US should abandon torture.... :lol: What would you like the legal one, the Geneva convention, the human rights based one, the morality based one??? Torture as it stands today by the US breaks every rule in the human rights, Generva convention, but it's OK, it's the US, let them do it, it's only against "terrorists". :roll:

[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="cpo335"]

Havn't you ever heard of Osama Bin Laden? Or do you think that 9/11 was made soley of a group of guys who hated the US. Maybe you are one of those pathetic people who think it was a conspiracy?

Oh and if you're not American, why do you care about us so much?

Hoobinator

Firstly torture, especially one that is condoned by a superpower affects everyone. So as a human being I have a right to speak against it.

Secondly Osama Bin Laden was never found in Afghanistan after 71/2 years of looking. He could quite easily be in Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgzstan, Tajikistan, some even speculate western China.

Come back to me when you find him, I'd like a word with him.

And I'm not just talking about the torture thing, every thread about the US you seem to have to post in. And your posts are agaisnt the US. Why? If you are not American why do you feel so inclined to be associated with us?

I'd like to tell him he's been a naughty boy.

I speak out against US policies. Notice how in everyone of those threads I vehemently speak out against their policies, most of which are because of their foreign policy actions. And I have a right to. What you gonna do, silence me.

Oh and That last line in your post was childish. Grow up.

Where are you from (I am not searching through 19 pages jsut to see where you ar from, stop being an ass and just say it)

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Again, you implicitly stated that the Taliban were behind 9/11.... I have pretty much shown that they weren't. So you thinking that the war in Afghanistan was because the Taliban bombed the Twin Towers is completely infounded and false.

Your argument was destroyed.

Hoobinator

I didn't implicitly state that the Taliban were behind 9/11. Ever. Way to take my words out of context, and putting imagined ones in my mouth. You havn't made a single point as to why the US should abandon some forms of torture yet.

I haven't made any points why US should abandon torture.... :lol: What would you like the legal one, the Geneva convention, the human rights based one, the morality based one??? Torture as it stands today by the US breaks every rule in the human rights, Generva convention, but it's OK, it's the US, let them do it, it's only against "terrorists". :roll:

What, according to you, constitutes a terrorist? What makes me different from the men who blow themselves up in the market?

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Again, you implicitly stated that the Taliban were behind 9/11.... I have pretty much shown that they weren't. So you thinking that the war in Afghanistan was because the Taliban bombed the Twin Towers is completely infounded and false.

Your argument was destroyed.

Hoobinator

I didn't implicitly state that the Taliban were behind 9/11. Ever. Way to take my words out of context, and putting imagined ones in my mouth. You havn't made a single point as to why the US should abandon some forms of torture yet.

I haven't made any points why US should abandon torture.... :lol: What would you like the legal one, the Geneva convention, the human rights based one, the morality based one??? Torture as it stands today by the US breaks every rule in the human rights, Generva convention, but it's OK, it's the US, let them do it, it's only against "terrorists". :roll:

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Clinton015"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

Clinton015

Who said these terrorists had to be Afghani? :|

Regardless, the Taliban was a haven for Al Queda and anti-US terrorists.

And the reasons the Taliban are getting successes with the Afghani people now isn't because of US intervention, but rather because of a corrupt administration.

So...once again...how is that a point at all?

Again, you implicitly stated that the Taliban were behind 9/11.... I have pretty much shown that they weren't. So you thinking that the war in Afghanistan was because the Taliban bombed the Twin Towers is completely infounded and false.

Your argument was destroyed.

Again I agree that they may have been in collusion with "al qaeda" forces, but The_Ish implied that they were directly it, which is a wrong assumption.

"It is the job of the military to dispose of the Taliban because they are terrorists because they have attacked US citizens and have had tried to attack US citizens. "

The Taliban behind attacks on US citizens, which attacks were these??? I hope he's not implying Taliban were behind 9/11.

This goes against basic human rights and international law. According the the UN there is a basic human right to be protected against such measures regardless of circumstance. Most modernized states have taken on the policy to prosecute states that use torture as war criminals (that would nearly make George Bush a war criminal?), not that any state would actually do that against the United States though. I also find it hipocritical that the United States takes on this policy; they are against war crime prosecution.. As in, if an american is sent to war crime trials the US can use force to rescue him/her, yet they can arrest and torture anyone who is accused of war crimes/terrorism as they see fit. It's all a bit ridiculous.

I haven't made any points why US should abandon torture.... :lol: What would you like the legal one, the Geneva convention, the human rights based one, the morality based one??? Torture as it stands today by the US breaks every rule in the human rights, Generva convention, but it's OK, it's the US, let them do it, it's only against "terrorists". :roll:

Hoobinator

You're right. You havn't made any points on why the US should abandon any type of torture. Including waterboarding. You also made no points as to why the US shouldn't blame terrorists for abandoning human rights. None of your arguments have been relative those.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Again, you implicitly stated that the Taliban were behind 9/11.... I have pretty much shown that they weren't. So you thinking that the war in Afghanistan was because the Taliban bombed the Twin Towers is completely infounded and false.

Your argument was destroyed.

Clinton015

I didn't implicitly state that the Taliban were behind 9/11. Ever. Way to take my words out of context, and putting imagined ones in my mouth. You havn't made a single point as to why the US should abandon some forms of torture yet.

I haven't made any points why US should abandon torture.... :lol: What would you like the legal one, the Geneva convention, the human rights based one, the morality based one??? Torture as it stands today by the US breaks every rule in the human rights, Generva convention, but it's OK, it's the US, let them do it, it's only against "terrorists". :roll:

Bring what exactly? You're starting to sound childish.

If the US supports torture on terrorists, then terrorists will be justified in usng torture on US soldiers, simple as that. And the US will have no moral high ground from which to criticise them by.

Maybe you should read this thread, this was said plenty times beforehand.

[QUOTE="Clinton015"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Clinton015"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

:lol: Just goes to show how much the propaganda filled media has led you to believe.

The Taliban never attacked the US. It was not the Taliban who were behind 9/11. The Taliban were "supposedly" holding Al Qaeda operatives in the country and not handing them over. Why should the Taliban hand over whatever citizens the US deems to be terrorists to them.

List of Hijackers, most were Saudi Arabians, none were Afghan.

Hoobinator

Who said these terrorists had to be Afghani? :|

Regardless, the Taliban was a haven for Al Queda and anti-US terrorists.

And the reasons the Taliban are getting successes with the Afghani people now isn't because of US intervention, but rather because of a corrupt administration.

So...once again...how is that a point at all?

Again, you implicitly stated that the Taliban were behind 9/11.... I have pretty much shown that they weren't. So you thinking that the war in Afghanistan was because the Taliban bombed the Twin Towers is completely infounded and false.

Your argument was destroyed.

Again I agree that they may have been in collusion with "al qaeda" forces, but The_Ish implied that they were directly it, which is a wrong assumption.

"It is the job of the military to dispose of the Taliban because they are terrorists because they have attacked US citizens and have had tried to attack US citizens. "

The Taliban behind attacks on US citizens, which attacks were these??? I hope he's not implying Taliban were behind 9/11.

The Taliban behind attacks on US citizens, which attacks were these??? I hope he's not implying Taliban were behind 9/11.

Hoobinator

I wasn't. :|

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][

actually he said it was a haven for al queda...your undirected rage affecting your eyesight?Clinton015

"It is the job of the military to dispose of the Taliban because they are terrorists because they have attacked US citizens and have had tried to attack US citizens. "

The Taliban behind attacks on US citizens, which attacks were these??? I hope he's not implying Taliban were behind 9/11.

If it was a typo he should have said so, but he hasn't. I can understand typos, just say there was a mistake and retype what you were thinking.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

The Taliban behind attacks on US citizens, which attacks were these??? I hope he's not implying Taliban were behind 9/11.

The_Ish

I wasn't. :|

Then please explain which attacks on US citizens were the Taliban behind. :| I can't for the life of me figure it out?

[QUOTE="Clinton015"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]Bring what exactly? You're starting to sound childishHoobinator