Campaign news: Bush drops out, Clinton barely wins Nevada, Trump wins South Carolina

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Donald Trump Funny Moments - Ultimate Compilation

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that's some funny stuff right there!

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Clinton didn't barely win. She won by a decent margin. Over 5%. And that with Sanders coming on strong after New Hampshire.

That margin is even more embarrassing for Sanders knowing that he outspent Clinton 2 to 1 in the state and still lost by 5 percentage points.

So much for Sanders and his grass roots campaign. The guy brings nothing but good feelings.

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So Bush is finally out huh? Nothing like fresh blood on the wall.

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@ferrari2001 said:
@slateman_basic said:

Clinton didn't barely win. She won by a decent margin. Over 5%. And that with Sanders coming on strong after New Hampshire.

That margin is even more embarrassing for Sanders knowing that he outspent Clinton 2 to 1 in the state and still lost by 5 percentage points.

I don't care for Sanders, but the margin is not embarrassing at all. Not to long ago, Clinton had something like a 20 point lead.

However, while the margin is not embarrassing, I'd argue that the loss is fatal to his campaign. If he can't make the necessary in roads among minorities in Nevada, he simply doesn't have the demographics he needs. South Carolina will be pure carnage and Super Tuesday won't be that much better.

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@slateman_basic said:
@ferrari2001 said:
@slateman_basic said:

Clinton didn't barely win. She won by a decent margin. Over 5%. And that with Sanders coming on strong after New Hampshire.

That margin is even more embarrassing for Sanders knowing that he outspent Clinton 2 to 1 in the state and still lost by 5 percentage points.

So much for Sanders and his grass roots campaign. The guy brings nothing but good feelings.

Yeah, gonna have to agree with this. He's not substantive. Can't believe that some people actually think he won some or tied some of those debates with Clinton. On substance he got wrecked in all of them. He absolutely refuses to explain how exactly he would achieve his goals. I mean, yeah, free college and single payer sounds good, but how DO YOU GET THERE, especially with a country in which a Democratic-controlled Congress could barely pass a healthcare bill that used to be endorsed by Republicans. It's so frustrating. And what's even more annoying is that Berniebots will act like you're some kind of corporate villain if you point out certain realities. They remind me of the Paulbots in 2008 and 2012.

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@GreySeal9 said:
@ferrari2001 said:
@slateman_basic said:

Clinton didn't barely win. She won by a decent margin. Over 5%. And that with Sanders coming on strong after New Hampshire.

That margin is even more embarrassing for Sanders knowing that he outspent Clinton 2 to 1 in the state and still lost by 5 percentage points.

I don't care for Sanders, but the margin is not embarrassing at all. Not to long ago, Clinton had something like a 20 point lead.

However, while the margin is not embarrassing, I'd argue that the loss is fatal to his campaign. If he can't make the necessary in roads among minorities in Nevada, he simply doesn't have the demographics he needs. South Carolina will be pure carnage and Super Tuesday won't be that much better.

Interesting. Assuming that's true (I don't have the demographic insight to argue for or against), where do you think Clinton's camp goes after this? Does it go highly negative to bury Sanders? Or does it try to appeal to his backers and bring them into her camp's fold?

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@mattbbpl said:
@GreySeal9 said:
@ferrari2001 said:
@slateman_basic said:

Clinton didn't barely win. She won by a decent margin. Over 5%. And that with Sanders coming on strong after New Hampshire.

That margin is even more embarrassing for Sanders knowing that he outspent Clinton 2 to 1 in the state and still lost by 5 percentage points.

I don't care for Sanders, but the margin is not embarrassing at all. Not to long ago, Clinton had something like a 20 point lead.

However, while the margin is not embarrassing, I'd argue that the loss is fatal to his campaign. If he can't make the necessary in roads among minorities in Nevada, he simply doesn't have the demographics he needs. South Carolina will be pure carnage and Super Tuesday won't be that much better.

Interesting. Assuming that's true (I don't have the demographic insight to argue for or against), where do you think Clinton's camp goes after this? Does it go highly negative to bury Sanders? Or does it try to appeal to his backers and bring them into her camp's fold?

I wish I could I confirm that she'll do the former, but this is the Clintons we're talking about, so you never know. They love to go negative for some reason.

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@ferrari2001 said:

With a Clinton win in Nevada and a sizable lead in early polling in South Carolina, she'll have some very good momentum going into Super Tues. With Bush out I'd imagine Marco Rubio will receive the largest chunk of Bush support slowly pushing Cruz out of the race making it a two way race between himself and Trump. I still think it'll likely be a Clinton/Trump race in the general election, with Clinton becoming the next president of the United States.

Cruz is almost certainly going to stay in the race a long time. He has nothing to lose since he is not subject to establishment pressure and he should do better than Rubio during Super Tuesday. Kasich staying in is also a problem for Rubio. Not to mention that Cruz exiting the race might very benefit Trump (though I'm not certain about that).

The biggest problem for Rubio is that he's not going to be able to rack up wins for awhile. And it's hard to see how a candidate wins the nomination after losing so much.

The media love to fawn over Rubio and his momentum and his establishment appeal and his potential, but in actuality he's not actually performing that well. I mean, 3rd in Iowa, 5th in New Hampshire, 2nd (but basically a tie) in South Carolina, probably 2nd in Nevada. That is not a winning campaign right there. Why in the world do people think Rubio is such a good candidate, especially after he got exposed as a talking point machine by Chris Christie?

Aside form the Christie debate, the man speaks well, he is moderate and he speaks with with emotion, he makes you believe in what he says. He also says it in a powerful manner that makes him look like a president. The problem with Cruz and Rubio is that they both steal votes from each other. I think that if Rubio leaves it hurts trump because now Cruz will grab the Rubio supporters, and vice versa. I think it only helps Trump the longer these two guys are in the fight. Unfortunately, it hurts both of them the longer they are in the race as Trump will just pull away.

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@xscrapzx said:
@GreySeal9 said:
@ferrari2001 said:

With a Clinton win in Nevada and a sizable lead in early polling in South Carolina, she'll have some very good momentum going into Super Tues. With Bush out I'd imagine Marco Rubio will receive the largest chunk of Bush support slowly pushing Cruz out of the race making it a two way race between himself and Trump. I still think it'll likely be a Clinton/Trump race in the general election, with Clinton becoming the next president of the United States.

Cruz is almost certainly going to stay in the race a long time. He has nothing to lose since he is not subject to establishment pressure and he should do better than Rubio during Super Tuesday. Kasich staying in is also a problem for Rubio. Not to mention that Cruz exiting the race might very benefit Trump (though I'm not certain about that).

The biggest problem for Rubio is that he's not going to be able to rack up wins for awhile. And it's hard to see how a candidate wins the nomination after losing so much.

The media love to fawn over Rubio and his momentum and his establishment appeal and his potential, but in actuality he's not actually performing that well. I mean, 3rd in Iowa, 5th in New Hampshire, 2nd (but basically a tie) in South Carolina, probably 2nd in Nevada. That is not a winning campaign right there. Why in the world do people think Rubio is such a good candidate, especially after he got exposed as a talking point machine by Chris Christie?

Aside form the Christie debate, the man speaks well, he is moderate and he speaks with with emotion, he makes you believe in what he says. He also says it in a powerful manner that makes him look like a president. The problem with Cruz and Rubio is that they both steal votes from each other. I think that if Rubio leaves it hurts trump because now Cruz will grab the Rubio supporters, and vice versa. I think it only helps Trump the longer these two guys are in the fight. Unfortunately, it hurts both of them the longer they are in the race as Trump will just pull away.

Yes, he speaks well. So do a lot of politicians. Does he speak with emotion? People at his rallies were calling him robotic even before the Christy debacle. And no, he's not even remotely moderate. But maybe that's his appeal: he makes hard right politics seem moderate because of his temperament.

I do agree that a three man race is much better for Trump than a two way one tho. Rubio needs Cruz to drop out ASAP. Contrary to what the GOP tells itself to be able to sleep at night, Rubio has to start winning somewhere very soon. He can only spin losses into wins for so long and he needs to start making headway when it comes to delegates since a brokered convention is really not an option. If Trump goes into the convention with a delegate lead, however slight, and is denied the domination, it will be disastrous.

I mean, I totally get why people want to be optimistic about Rubio, but nobody has really explained what his path to the nomination looks like.

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@GreySeal9: I don't see any reason/motivation for Cruz to drop out though. Unless he runs out of money, we're probably in this for the long haul.

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@GreySeal9: I don't see any reason/motivation for Cruz to drop out though. Unless he runs out of money, we're probably in this for the long haul.

Yeah, I don't really see him dropping out either.

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It sucks to see Bush but it was inevitable because of his poor results in Iowa and NH. Anyway about Donald vs Hilary if it does happen in the GE the same thing that happened to Romney in the general in 2012 will hurt Donald Trump in this election cycle. He will not be able to walk away from whatever awful things he has said during the primaries in the GE. The republicans will struggle to break 200 electors with him on their ticket and may not even break 150 electors if they are very unlucky with him on their ticket on GE day. He also most likely still has the worst favorability rating in the presidential race for both sides right now. Also, I don't think any of the republican candidates running right now have a chance of beating Hilary and maybe even Bernie(if he becomes the Democrats nominee which is very unlikely right now).

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53.8% of all American voters have an “unfavorable” view of Hillary Clinton.

67% of American voters find Hillary Clinton “not honest and trustworthy,” compared with 59% for Donald Trump.

Thats right.. more people trust Trump.

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@NathanDrakeSwag: Speaking of evangelical voters, after pope said Trump's policies weren't Christian, I expected some effect to the extent. I guess time will show once actual election starts

Right wing evangelical voter's beliefs are far from what is Ideally Christian.

Jesus said love everybody and help the poor.

Evangelicals do the opposite.

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On RedState.com, conservatives are having meltdowns over the very real possibility of a Trump nomination. It's very fun to watch.

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@GreySeal9 said:

On RedState.com, conservatives are having meltdowns over the very real possibility of a Trump nomination. It's very fun to watch.

Got any nuggets to share?

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@Maroxad said:
@GreySeal9 said:

On RedState.com, conservatives are having meltdowns over the very real possibility of a Trump nomination. It's very fun to watch.

Got any nuggets to share?

Read the comments in this article and this thread. They are fucking terrified.

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...and there you have it, that's a big reason why Hillary Clinton will be our next president. Once Trump wins the Republican side, many of the Republicans are not even going to vote for Trump.

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@ferrari2001 said:
@slateman_basic said:

Clinton didn't barely win. She won by a decent margin. Over 5%. And that with Sanders coming on strong after New Hampshire.

That margin is even more embarrassing for Sanders knowing that he outspent Clinton 2 to 1 in the state and still lost by 5 percentage points.

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Hillary is a far weaker general election candidate.

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Hillary is a far weaker general election candidate.

Hillary's gonna Hillary. I would rather have Trump in office than that fraud. At least Trump wont be repeating the same mistakes that has been done for nearly 30 years. Hillary's foreign policy track record has been an utter disaster. Supporting war crimes, and policies that would lead to ISIS.

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@GreySeal9 said:
@Maroxad said:
@GreySeal9 said:

On RedState.com, conservatives are having meltdowns over the very real possibility of a Trump nomination. It's very fun to watch.

Got any nuggets to share?

Read the comments in this article and this thread. They are fucking terrified.

It's amazing the Reagan coalition has held together this long, frankly. Several camps within it have passively, and sometimes actively, opposed one another for years.

This time one of the camps that weren't supposed to have any real national power has attained it.

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@NathanDrakeSwag: at least in a Trump vs Hillary general election, there are clear choices. There are no similar policies or ideological crossovers or anything like that; there would be clearly drawn lines, where voters know exactly who and what they are getting.

I'm pretty confident the media or the side with the least palatable message will find a way to claim that both sides are the same.

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@Maroxad said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:
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Hillary is a far weaker general election candidate.

Hillary's gonna Hillary. I would rather have Trump in office than that fraud. At least Trump wont be repeating the same mistakes that has been done for nearly 30 years. Hillary's foreign policy track record has been an utter disaster. Supporting war crimes, and policies that would lead to ISIS.

Of all the topics to push Trump over another candidate you really chose foreign policy? The man who thinks building a giant wall is a feasible idea? The man who then also thinks that it is feasible and reasonable to force one of our allies to foot the bill for said wall? The man who has constantly made hateful and racist comments throughout the primaries? The man who has literally NO experience with foreign policy?

Like seriously? Tump in office would be by FAR the worst foreign policy disaster this country has ever seen. It would probably take decades to undo the damage he would cause to our foreign relations...

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Of all the topics to push Trump over another candidate you really chose foreign policy? The man who thinks building a giant wall is a feasible idea? The man who then also thinks that it is feasible and reasonable to force one of our allies to foot the bill for said wall? The man who has constantly made hateful and racist comments throughout the primaries? The man who has literally NO experience with foreign policy?

Like seriously? Tump in office would be by FAR the worst foreign policy disaster this country has ever seen. It would probably take decades to undo the damage he would cause to our foreign relations...

On the other hand, if you're going to burn you might as well go out in a blaze of glory :-P

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53.8% of all American voters have an “unfavorable” view of Hillary Clinton.

67% of American voters find Hillary Clinton “not honest and trustworthy,” compared with 59% for Donald "I have a great relationship with the blacks" Trump.

Thats right.. more people trust Donald "@BetteMidler is an extremely unattractive woman" Trump.

Hilary's favorability ratings could be better,but I just don't see how Donald can win the GE if he gets the republican nomination. We have numerous examples of stuff party nominees or political parties have done during an election campaign in countries like the US and even Canada that made them unlikable to people that would have voted for them. Romney's 47% comment is a good example. Another good example that kinda relates to some of the things trump has said while he has been running for to get the republican nomination for president is some of the stuff the Conservative Party of Canada has said or tried to do during the recent election campaign that hurt them badly. Some of the stuff they did during the election resulted in significantly less minorities supporting them and lead to a third party winning the election. Since trump also seems to be having issues with minorities because of some of the comments he made directed at minorities since he started running for the republican side of the presidential race I would expect him to suffer the same fate as the Conservative Party of Canada did in the 2015 Canadian election.Low minority support will probably be the Achilles heal for Trump in the GE unless he figures out a way to make his policies appealing to minorities which I doubt will happen.

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@LostProphetFLCL said:

Of all the topics to push Trump over another candidate you really chose foreign policy? The man who thinks building a giant wall is a feasible idea? The man who then also thinks that it is feasible and reasonable to force one of our allies to foot the bill for said wall? The man who has constantly made hateful and racist comments throughout the primaries? The man who has literally NO experience with foreign policy?

Like seriously? Tump in office would be by FAR the worst foreign policy disaster this country has ever seen. It would probably take decades to undo the damage he would cause to our foreign relations...

That is immigration policy. And Hillary would harm your reputation as well, if she is as hawkish as she sounds.

Bombing civilians though, might make Trump worse if he actually goes to war.