Can gay be "cured" through rational thinking?

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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]the sin is someone saying who they can and cannot love, the irrationality is saying to live this way because some old book tells me soMetalDogGear
Don't go throwing Christians under the bus!!! Not all of us are intolerant, fire and brimstone verse quoting lunatics. Most of us don't care how others live their lives. The bible tells me it is wrong but I support gay marriage. I'd appreciate it if you didn't stereotype me.

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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"] because the bible and stuff bro. I wonder if gaybashers realize that the shrimp they just ate makes them equivalents to gays, according to the bible. And if they have any tattoos, that's just as bad as being gay, according to the bible.sSubZerOo

And not everybody who doesn't care about or for gay agenda is even biblical. I personally wouldn't care if only it hasn't plagued our media the way it has. Its almost like its "cool" to be gay these days. Its almost as bad as the wannabe gangsta fashion trend from the early 90's. the real funny thing is, I know quite a few now "straight" females who have had at least one lesbian experience. I think we have MTV, reality television and the Porn industry to blame for that one. Even in television shows. They seem to have to push at least one gay character. Its especially apparent on HBO and Showtime. Game of Thrones included.

:roll:  Oh noes.. They have a gay character on a show with a caste of dozens of characters, it's the gay agenda!  I am more concerned with the Prostitute agenda my self, you see how many prostitutes are in these shows?

Find me a current show on Showtime without at least one gay character. Shameless, US of Tara, Nurse Jackie, etc. when a new series airs on Showtime, a gay character is expected and in most cases, they don't even fit with the story. Its like the exec's told the writers, "This show needs a gay character. Make it work". Most if the time, its completely out of place.
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#53 ghoklebutter
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Hey guys what's the naturalistic fallacy again?
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#56 cain006
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Being gay doesn't make sense but neither does having sex for any reason other than reproduction.

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Straight conversion therapy is one of the biggest scams and toxic things ever conceived.

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#58 Rich3232
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Hey guys what's the naturalistic fallacy again?ghoklebutter
Jesus, that quote. That is probably one of the most disturbing things I've seen in awhile.
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#59 worlock77
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I wonder if bad trolling can be cured through rational thinking.

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#60 Lulekani
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Why do people still respond to this guys threads?00-Riddick-00
Mostly boredom. Any real intelligent person would've spotted Metal Gear Dog's stupidy from miles away, but instead, we get involved. Honestly anybody who engages him/her is dumber than Him/her.
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#61 worlock77
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And just when you thought it couldn't get worse...

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#62 jeremiah06
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Homosexuality is the result of hormonal imbalance at birth... it's no more capable of being wished away as the cleft chin is... whether or not humanity ever discovers the science to change chemical imbalances after birth is unlikely... and no moral rules will allow the necessary experimentation needed to balance pre birth... we may as well accept homosexuals as equals... they cannot chose their births just as no one else can...
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So it would be better for me to get rid of my boyfriend that I've had for 14 years now and 'cure' myself of this homosexuality... because what exactly??
Why should I trade my soulmate, my best buddy for a woman?! Give me one reason. 
Children? I don't think so, I have deliberately chosen to not have children. I simply DON'T WANT them. 

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So it would be better for me to get rid of my boyfriend that I've had for 14 years now and 'cure' myself of this homosexuality... because what exactly??
Why should I trade my soulmate, my best buddy for a woman?! Give me one reason. 
Children? I don't think so, I have deliberately chosen to not have children. I simply DON'T WANT them. 

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You should do it because the bible says so. And we all know the bible is the only thing everybody should follow.
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We should all follow the bible. Ezekiel 9:6 "Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women . . . "
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#66 TheFlush
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[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

So it would be better for me to get rid of my boyfriend that I've had for 14 years now and 'cure' myself of this homosexuality... because what exactly??
Why should I trade my soulmate, my best buddy for a woman?! Give me one reason. 
Children? I don't think so, I have deliberately chosen to not have children. I simply DON'T WANT them. 

Rich3232

You should do it because the bible says so. And we all know the bible is the only thing everybody should follow.

Oh how stupid of me, thanks for helping me out dude! I'm on it right now! :P

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] And not everybody who doesn't care about or for gay agenda is even biblical. I personally wouldn't care if only it hasn't plagued our media the way it has. Its almost like its "cool" to be gay these days. Its almost as bad as the wannabe gangsta fashion trend from the early 90's. the real funny thing is, I know quite a few now "straight" females who have had at least one lesbian experience. I think we have MTV, reality television and the Porn industry to blame for that one. Even in television shows. They seem to have to push at least one gay character. Its especially apparent on HBO and Showtime. Game of Thrones included.Murderstyle75

:roll:  Oh noes.. They have a gay character on a show with a caste of dozens of characters, it's the gay agenda!  I am more concerned with the Prostitute agenda my self, you see how many prostitutes are in these shows?

Find me a current show on Showtime without at least one gay character. Shameless, US of Tara, Nurse Jackie, etc. when a new series airs on Showtime, a gay character is expected and in most cases, they don't even fit with the story. Its like the exec's told the writers, "This show needs a gay character. Make it work". Most if the time, its completely out of place.

:|  Ah yes because gays in the work place are "out of place".. 

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I was having a debate with my friend on the nature of homosexuality.

 

I said that it was probably a natural thing, but still a sin. He proposes that homosexuality can be cured through thinking rationally.

 

For instance: One assumes that they are a male or female. They see that males mate with females and so on. They conclude it is the natural order. Therefore they must become part of that natural order.

 

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I'm wondering if you and your friend's stupidity can be cured with rational thinking. I doubt it though.
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I was having a debate with my friend on the nature of homosexuality.

 

I said that it was probably a natural thing, but still a sin. He proposes that homosexuality can be cured through thinking rationally.

 

For instance: One assumes that they are a male or female. They see that males mate with females and so on. They conclude it is the natural order. Therefore they must become part of that natural order.

 

MetalDogGear

 

I'm a girl, that likes girls, guys are alright but not into them as much. Point is when I'm interested in a chick,  I feel really rational, irational thinking I don't think would help either.

 

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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]

I was having a debate with my friend on the nature of homosexuality.

 

I said that it was probably a natural thing, but still a sin. He proposes that homosexuality can be cured through thinking rationally.

 

For instance: One assumes that they are a male or female. They see that males mate with females and so on. They conclude it is the natural order. Therefore they must become part of that natural order.

 

Mink

 

I'm a girl, that likes girls, guys are alright but not into them as much. Point is when I'm interested in a chick,  I feel really rational, irational thinking I don't think would help either.

 

What about traps?

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[QUOTE="AncientDozer"]Here's a better question, whether you support or oppose gays and their right to marriage, or rights to anything really. If they found a "cute" for it tomorrow, A.) would that be ethical/okay and B.) would it be okay for people to choose it? Better yet. Now that we have that, we can change our sexual preferences to straight, bi, or gay and back. Would it be ethical or okay for a person to change their preference just like that?

All very interesting questions that will have to be addressed when we do reach the ability to do so.
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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:roll:  Oh noes.. They have a gay character on a show with a caste of dozens of characters, it's the gay agenda!  I am more concerned with the Prostitute agenda my self, you see how many prostitutes are in these shows?

sSubZerOo

Find me a current show on Showtime without at least one gay character. Shameless, US of Tara, Nurse Jackie, etc. when a new series airs on Showtime, a gay character is expected and in most cases, they don't even fit with the story. Its like the exec's told the writers, "This show needs a gay character. Make it work". Most if the time, its completely out of place.

:|  Ah yes because gays in the work place are "out of place".. 

I think you are missing the point. Its not that gays are out of place. Its that in television and movie writing now days, its forced and predicible and is a cheap attempt at boosting ratings. Its fine to have gay people in television shows but there comes a point where it seems forced. Its like every household in America has an openly gay son or daughter now days. And Jesus Christ. Even James Bond is being presented with a homosexual agenda now.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] Find me a current show on Showtime without at least one gay character. Shameless, US of Tara, Nurse Jackie, etc. when a new series airs on Showtime, a gay character is expected and in most cases, they don't even fit with the story. Its like the exec's told the writers, "This show needs a gay character. Make it work". Most if the time, its completely out of place.Murderstyle75

:|  Ah yes because gays in the work place are "out of place".. 

I think you are missing the point. Its not that gays are out of place. Its that in television and movie writing now days, its forced and predicible and is a cheap attempt at boosting ratings. Its fine to have gay people in television shows but there comes a point where it seems forced. Its like every household in America has an openly gay son or daughter now days. And Jesus Christ. Even James Bond is being presented with a homosexual agenda now.

Mhm, okay, assuming that's all true. Um......who cares? How does this personally affect you?
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[QUOTE="Mink"]

[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]

I was having a debate with my friend on the nature of homosexuality.

 

I said that it was probably a natural thing, but still a sin. He proposes that homosexuality can be cured through thinking rationally.

 

For instance: One assumes that they are a male or female. They see that males mate with females and so on. They conclude it is the natural order. Therefore they must become part of that natural order.

 

THE_DRUGGIE

 

I'm a girl, that likes girls, guys are alright but not into them as much. Point is when I'm interested in a chick,  I feel really rational, irational thinking I don't think would help either.

 

What about traps?

 

What kind of trap?

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When it comes down to it. Gay people aren't harming society. They're not blowing themselves up, they're not murdering people. Once people simply come to accept that others biologically have a different sexual orientation, everyone will be a lot happier.
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It's too bad that stupid can't be cured.
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Can stupidity be cured through rational thinking? Some seem to think so. Others politely disagree. What do I think? Pew Pew.
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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:|  Ah yes because gays in the work place are "out of place".. 

Rich3232
I think you are missing the point. Its not that gays are out of place. Its that in television and movie writing now days, its forced and predicible and is a cheap attempt at boosting ratings. Its fine to have gay people in television shows but there comes a point where it seems forced. Its like every household in America has an openly gay son or daughter now days. And Jesus Christ. Even James Bond is being presented with a homosexual agenda now.

Mhm, okay, assuming that's all true. Um......who cares? How does this personally affect you?

I just don't like political agendas of any kind shoved down my throat. Especially when they effect what I watch. Nothing wrong with gay people in movies. Just not when it's forced on me. The political intent makes the film cheap and is impossible to avoid now days.
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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] I think you are missing the point. Its not that gays are out of place. Its that in television and movie writing now days, its forced and predicible and is a cheap attempt at boosting ratings. Its fine to have gay people in television shows but there comes a point where it seems forced. Its like every household in America has an openly gay son or daughter now days. And Jesus Christ. Even James Bond is being presented with a homosexual agenda now.

Mhm, okay, assuming that's all true. Um......who cares? How does this personally affect you?

I just don't like political agendas of any kind shoved down my throat. Especially when they effect what I watch. Nothing wrong with gay people in movies. Just not when it's forced on me. The political intent makes the film cheap and is impossible to avoid now days.

You do realize you can just not watch the shows if it bothers you that much.
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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] I think you are missing the point. Its not that gays are out of place. Its that in television and movie writing now days, its forced and predicible and is a cheap attempt at boosting ratings. Its fine to have gay people in television shows but there comes a point where it seems forced. Its like every household in America has an openly gay son or daughter now days. And Jesus Christ. Even James Bond is being presented with a homosexual agenda now.

Mhm, okay, assuming that's all true. Um......who cares? How does this personally affect you?

I just don't like political agendas of any kind shoved down my throat. Especially when they effect what I watch. Nothing wrong with gay people in movies. Just not when it's forced on me. The political intent makes the film cheap and is impossible to avoid now days.

why is this something worth complaining about? It's no worse than when films/tv always have a black guy.
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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] I think you are missing the point. Its not that gays are out of place. Its that in television and movie writing now days, its forced and predicible and is a cheap attempt at boosting ratings. Its fine to have gay people in television shows but there comes a point where it seems forced. Its like every household in America has an openly gay son or daughter now days. And Jesus Christ. Even James Bond is being presented with a homosexual agenda now.

Mhm, okay, assuming that's all true. Um......who cares? How does this personally affect you?

I just don't like political agendas of any kind shoved down my throat. Especially when they effect what I watch. Nothing wrong with gay people in movies. Just not when it's forced on me. The political intent makes the film cheap and is impossible to avoid now days.

You have the option of turning the channel or turning off the TV. Don't be an asshole.
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] Mhm, okay, assuming that's all true. Um......who cares? How does this personally affect you?

I just don't like political agendas of any kind shoved down my throat. Especially when they effect what I watch. Nothing wrong with gay people in movies. Just not when it's forced on me. The political intent makes the film cheap and is impossible to avoid now days.

You do realize you can just not watch the shows if it bothers you that much.

But what if other than the political agenda, I happen to like the shows? I mean I love Game Of Thrones but I really think the gay sex scenes on the first season were very irrelevant to the series. Its getting to the point where the only way to avoid it is to turn off the TV. I like TV though.
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Mink"]

 

I'm a girl, that likes girls, guys are alright but not into them as much. Point is when I'm interested in a chick,  I feel really rational, irational thinking I don't think would help either.

 

Mink

What about traps?

 

What kind of trap?

Really womenly men.

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#84 LordQuorthon
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Talks about "curing" homosexuality always make me think about this:

homer+kissing+hans+moleman+dressed+up+li

Talks about "the gay agenda" always make me think about this:

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#85 THE_DRUGGIE
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By the way, are we talkin' about silly stuff like Pray the Gay Away?

I think it's hilarious.

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#86 Mink
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[QUOTE="Mink"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

What about traps?

THE_DRUGGIE

 

What kind of trap?

Really womenly men.

If I can't tell it's a trap, to the point of finding out it's a trap, then it doesn't matter anymore lol.
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Mink"]

 

What kind of trap?

Mink

Really womenly men.

If I can't tell it's a trap, to the point of finding out it's a trap, then it doesn't matter anymore lol.

That's some shmexy shinkin you get there.

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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] I just don't like political agendas of any kind shoved down my throat. Especially when they effect what I watch. Nothing wrong with gay people in movies. Just not when it's forced on me. The political intent makes the film cheap and is impossible to avoid now days.

You do realize you can just not watch the shows if it bothers you that much.

But what if other than the political agenda, I happen to like the shows? I mean I love Game Of Thrones but I really think the gay sex scenes on the first season were very irrelevant to the series. Its getting to the point where the only way to avoid it is to turn off the TV. I like TV though.

Okay, then that's up to you.
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Rational thinking isn't going to change what you are.  It is only going to change your actions.  

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#90 Ncsoftlover
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this is an rather old style thinking, it assumes that nature has intentions, and evolution is goal oriented. In other words, treating nature/evolution as religions.

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#91 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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This mentality that homosexuality is a choice, it's a virus,disease, iraationaly behaviour or anything of the sort needs to stop. Gay people are not bad people, they are not crazy people and they are not some sort of freakishly different human beings.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fvcking moron

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#92 tocool340
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I don't think a sexual preference can be cured. If you think its that easy to go from gay to straight, how about you try being gay for a week and see how well that goes....
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#93 TheFlush
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This mentality that homosexuality is a choice, it's a virus,disease, iraationaly behaviour or anything of the sort needs to stop. Gay people are not bad people, they are not crazy people and they are not some sort of freakishly different human beings.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fvcking moron

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#94 harashawn
Member since 2008 • 27620 Posts
Attraction has never been, and wll never be rational. It would be boring if you could decide who you were attracted to.
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#95 LJS9502_basic
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Eh....you guys need to learn to live and let live.
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#96 Ace6301
Member since 2005 • 21389 Posts
This is one of those times I want Lai to weigh in on the subject.
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#97 DroidPhysX
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This is one of those times I want Lai to weigh in on the subject. Ace6301
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#98 zenogandia
Member since 2012 • 861 Posts

Here's a better question, whether you support or oppose gays and their right to marriage, or rights to anything really. If they found a "cure" for it tomorrow, A.) would that be ethical/okay and B.) would it be okay for people to choose it? Better yet. Now that we have that, we can change our sexual preferences to straight, bi, or gay and back. Would it be ethical or okay for a person to change their preference just like that?

AncientDozer

Oddly enough, I'll stick being bisexual. I get the best of both worlds and enjoy them, so to only stick with one after all these years would be boring for me.

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#99 Mink
Member since 2005 • 1796 Posts

[QUOTE="Mink"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Really womenly men.

THE_DRUGGIE

If I can't tell it's a trap, to the point of finding out it's a trap, then it doesn't matter anymore lol.

That's some shmexy shinkin you get there.

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#100 pspdseagle
Member since 2007 • 3307 Posts
Yes, they can be cured. haa