Can you be Christian yet not take the bible literally?

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#1 ice144
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This is a question i, a non-christian, has always wondered about certain christians.

It seems people like to take only parts of the bible literally and take other parts that may not make sense symbolically.

However, when has this ever been logical? As far as I know every single thing that god had wanted to be taken symbolically in the bible, he clearly stated as such (for example the parables).

the bible says noah made an arc to survive the flood. Even though the story may sound wrong, where in the bible does it state that it didnt happen exactly how the bible said it did(i mean, even specific dimensions for the arc's size were given and everything).

the bible says god created the earth in 7 days, no matter how unbelievable it may sound, if your a christian, how is it right in any way to interpret it how you see it?

I could go on and on with the other stories, but you get what I'm trying to say.

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#2 GabuEx
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The majority of Christians do just that.

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#3 LJS9502_basic
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Depends on which part of the Bible....
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I go to a Christian school, and they tell us that we can't trust the Bible historically or some of its messages.

The morals we take literally, but not much else.

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#5 LJS9502_basic
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I go to a Christian school, and they tell us that we can't trust the Bible historically or some of its messages.

The morals we take literally, but not much else.

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What school is that? The historical people and events are considered as real.
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#7 mindstorm
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That depends on what you take literally. For example, I question whether God created the earth in 7 literal days several thousand years ago. Does that make me any less of a Christian? Personally I think not (in that never has it been a part of a confession or creed within the church), but some would argue that I am indeed less of Christian. However, those who think me less of a Christian are mostly Fundamentalist Independent Baptists (...even though I'm an Evangelical Southern Baptist). However, a person is required by Scripture to believe the resurrection of Jesus Christ to be literal. 1 Corinthians 15:14 puts it this way, "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith." Verse 17 of that same chapter also says, "And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins."
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#8 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]That depends on what you take literally. For example, I question whether God created the earth in 7 literal days several thousand years ago. Does that make me any less of a Christian? Personally I think not (in that never has it been a part of a confession or creed within the church), but some would argue that I am indeed less of Christian. However, those who think me less of a Christian are mostly Fundamentalist Independent Baptists (...even though I'm an Evangelical Southern Baptist). However, a person is required by Scripture to believe the resurrection of Jesus Christ to be literal. 1 Corinthians 15:14 puts it this way, "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith." Verse 17 of that same chapter also says, "And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins."

Interesting. Were you not a young earth creationist when you first posted here?
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#9 nintendofreak_2
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Religion is open to interpretation, so yes. I don't think there is any denomination that actually does take the bible literally.

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]That depends on what you take literally. For example, I question whether God created the earth in 7 literal days several thousand years ago. Does that make me any less of a Christian? Personally I think not (in that never has it been a part of a confession or creed within the church), but some would argue that I am indeed less of Christian. However, those who think me less of a Christian are mostly Fundamentalist Independent Baptists (...even though I'm an Evangelical Southern Baptist). However, a person is required by Scripture to believe the resurrection of Jesus Christ to be literal. 1 Corinthians 15:14 puts it this way, "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith." Verse 17 of that same chapter also says, "And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins."

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#11 ice144
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Of course. If you take every word literally you're just setting yourself up for a nasty head-on collision with reality.

A very sizable portion is intended to figurative or instructional. The interesting part is figuring out what's what.

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And that's what I don't understand. If god clearly made it known that something like the parables were figurative, why didn't he do that with every important story that's not supposed to be taken literally?
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#12 scorch-62
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The short answer is "yes."
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[QUOTE="Bio_Spark"]

Of course. If you take every word literally you're just setting yourself up for a nasty head-on collision with reality.

A very sizable portion is intended to figurative or instructional. The interesting part is figuring out what's what.

ice144
And that's what I don't understand. If god clearly made it known that something like the parables were figurative, why didn't he do that with every important story that's not supposed to be taken literally?

The OT stories are filled with symbolism that the early people who followed the Bible understood. Over time that symbolism was lost or at least ignored by society. When one studies literature one needs to understand language, culture and customs.
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#14 LJS9502_basic
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The short answer is "yes."scorch-62
No it depends. Some of the Bible is literal. Like the message Jesus spread.
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#15 biggest_loser
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Thats how its meant to be taken.
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#16 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]That depends on what you take literally. For example, I question whether God created the earth in 7 literal days several thousand years ago. Does that make me any less of a Christian? Personally I think not (in that never has it been a part of a confession or creed within the church), but some would argue that I am indeed less of Christian. However, those who think me less of a Christian are mostly Fundamentalist Independent Baptists (...even though I'm an Evangelical Southern Baptist). However, a person is required by Scripture to believe the resurrection of Jesus Christ to be literal. 1 Corinthians 15:14 puts it this way, "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith." Verse 17 of that same chapter also says, "And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins."LJS9502_basic
Interesting. Were you not a young earth creationist when you first posted here?

Yes, yes I was. Now I'm an I-don't-know-how-the-crap-old-the-earth-is Creationist. :P Throughout my life I've been both a Theistic Evolutionist and a militant Young Earth Creationist. I don't know what I am anymore. :cry: :P
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]That depends on what you take literally. For example, I question whether God created the earth in 7 literal days several thousand years ago. Does that make me any less of a Christian? Personally I think not (in that never has it been a part of a confession or creed within the church), but some would argue that I am indeed less of Christian. However, those who think me less of a Christian are mostly Fundamentalist Independent Baptists (...even though I'm an Evangelical Southern Baptist). However, a person is required by Scripture to believe the resurrection of Jesus Christ to be literal. 1 Corinthians 15:14 puts it this way, "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith." Verse 17 of that same chapter also says, "And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins."mindstorm
Interesting. Were you not a young earth creationist when you first posted here?

Yes, yes I was. Now I'm an I-don't-know-how-the-crap-old-the-earth-is Creationist. :P Throughout my life I've been both a Theistic Evolutionist and a militant Young Earth Creationist. I don't know what I am anymore. :cry: :P

Come over to our side....we have bingo.:P [spoiler] I hate bingo [/spoiler]

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Interesting. Were you not a young earth creationist when you first posted here?LJS9502_basic
Yes, yes I was. Now I'm an I-don't-know-how-the-crap-old-the-earth-is Creationist. :P Throughout my life I've been both a Theistic Evolutionist and a militant Young Earth Creationist. I don't know what I am anymore. :cry: :P

Come over to our side....we have bingo.:P [spoiler] I hate bingo:P [/spoiler]

Yeah, I just have too many issues with both sides... ...and I've gotten tired of the topic over the years and thus haven't done as much research lately.
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#19 scorch-62
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"]The short answer is "yes."LJS9502_basic

No it depends. Some of the Bible is literal. Like the message Jesus spread.

"Some of the Bible" isn't all of the Bible. The question at hand was whether or not it is possible to be a Christian and not take the Bible literally. If you took the Bible literally, that would make you a fundamentalist. Not all Christians are fundamentalists, so the answer is obviously "yes" to the TC's question, especially when coupled with the examples in the OP.

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#20 Chogyam
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isn't that what the term "god fearing" means? not just for christianity, but for any religion. You believe in a god, but don't really take the teachings literally or follow them?

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#21 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"]The short answer is "yes."scorch-62
No it depends. Some of the Bible is literal. Like the message Jesus spread.

"Some of the Bible" isn't all of the Bible. The question at hand was whether or not it is possible to be a Christian and not take the Bible literally. You you took the Bible literally, that would make you a fundamentalist. Not all Christians are fundamentalists, so the answer is obviously "yes" to the TC's question, especially when coupled with the examples in the OP.

Ah but if the teachings/story of Christ are what you aren't taking literally....you can't be a Christian. That is why it depends.
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#22 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"]The short answer is "yes."scorch-62
No it depends. Some of the Bible is literal. Like the message Jesus spread.

"Some of the Bible" isn't all of the Bible. The question at hand was whether or not it is possible to be a Christian and not take the Bible literally. You you took the Bible literally, that would make you a fundamentalist. Not all Christians are fundamentalists, so the answer is obviously "yes" to the TC's question, especially when coupled with the examples in the OP.

Principle I keep when interpreting Scripture: The text is literal unless the context states otherwise. The context that is most important is the literary context. Historical context also has importance.

Genre is also important. For example, poetic texts are less likely to be completely literal.

Now the fun part is finding out all of this information. :P

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#23 Snipes_2
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Yup, Some parts such as the Parables have a deeper meaning.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No it depends. Some of the Bible is literal. Like the message Jesus spread.

"Some of the Bible" isn't all of the Bible. The question at hand was whether or not it is possible to be a Christian and not take the Bible literally. You you took the Bible literally, that would make you a fundamentalist. Not all Christians are fundamentalists, so the answer is obviously "yes" to the TC's question, especially when coupled with the examples in the OP.

Ah but if the teachings/story of Christ are what you aren't taking literally....you can't be a Christian. That is why it depends.

Then that would be taking the teachings of Christ literally, not the entirety of the Bible as the context of the OP suggests.
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#25 SteveTabernacle
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That's a funny subject. I've seen people saying we should ignore the whole Old Testament, (because it is a great source of humiliation for them due to how god behaved in that section) but then insist we follow the Ten Commandments and post them everywhere.... which... came from the Old Testament. Cherry picking of the Bible, with people selectively claiming the sections inconvenient to the legitimacy of their religion as not to be taken literally, and claiming others have to be taken literally, is one of the reasons I stopped taking the Bible seriously a few years ago. If "God" can't be bothered to speak clearly to us, and leave our eternal fate up to whether or not we were lucky enough to know which parts to take seriously or not take seriously, is it any surprise I can't take HIM seriously?

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#26 blackngold29
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The majority of Christians do just that.

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First reply nails it... that was quick.
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#27 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] "Some of the Bible" isn't all of the Bible. The question at hand was whether or not it is possible to be a Christian and not take the Bible literally. You you took the Bible literally, that would make you a fundamentalist. Not all Christians are fundamentalists, so the answer is obviously "yes" to the TC's question, especially when coupled with the examples in the OP.

Ah but if the teachings/story of Christ are what you aren't taking literally....you can't be a Christian. That is why it depends.

Then that would be taking the teachings of Christ literally, not the entirety of the Bible as the context of the OP suggests.

Hence, my answer that it depends.;)
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I think that the Bible is inspired by God, but was written by humans.As such, after thousands of years of translations and possible corruption, some people might've screwed something up.

As such, I don't really fret much over Levitical laws, historical details, or apparent contradictions. I consider Jesus and the Gospels to be the truly important part.

So yes, I pick and choose, as the saying goes. Perhaps I take it to an uncomfortably far degree. But everyone picks and chooses. I'm just honest about it.

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#29 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

The majority of Christians do just that.

blackngold29

First reply nails it... that was quick.

Okay I don't take the NT literally. Am I a Christian?

To play devil's advocate.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ah but if the teachings/story of Christ are what you aren't taking literally....you can't be a Christian. That is why it depends.

Then that would be taking the teachings of Christ literally, not the entirety of the Bible as the context of the OP suggests.

Hence, my answer that it depends.;)

It depends on the entirety of the Bible? :?
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] Then that would be taking the teachings of Christ literally, not the entirety of the Bible as the context of the OP suggests.

Hence, my answer that it depends.;)

It depends on the entirety of the Bible? :?

No. It depends on which parts of the Bible....
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Absolutely. If it was taken literally, you would see them gouging out their eyes and cutting off their hands all the time (Jesus said to do it). Although nowadays, this word "symbolic" is mainly used to try to justify reluctance to believe a certain verse. It isn't just christian churches that do this, but you see a lot of people believing a verse that they can explain, but using the "well, it must be symbolic" excuse when they come across something they can't explain.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Hence, my answer that it depends.;)

It depends on the entirety of the Bible? :?

No. It depends on which parts of the Bible....

I think we understood the question differently, making this argument go nowhere fast. >__>
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] It depends on the entirety of the Bible? :?

No. It depends on which parts of the Bible....

I think we understood the question differently, making this argument go nowhere fast. >__>

Perhaps a subtle difference in interpretation.:P
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No. It depends on which parts of the Bible....

I think we understood the question differently, making this argument go nowhere fast. >__>

Perhaps a subtle difference in interpretation.:P

Well, I interpreted it to question a literal translation the Bible in it's entirety, obviously. It's possible not to take the entire Bible literally, which is where my "yes" and Gabu's comment came from, it seems.
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]That depends on what you take literally. For example, I question whether God created the earth in 7 literal days several thousand years ago. Does that make me any less of a Christian? Personally I think not (in that never has it been a part of a confession or creed within the church), but some would argue that I am indeed less of Christian. However, those who think me less of a Christian are mostly Fundamentalist Independent Baptists (...even though I'm an Evangelical Southern Baptist). However, a person is required by Scripture to believe the resurrection of Jesus Christ to be literal. 1 Corinthians 15:14 puts it this way, "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith." Verse 17 of that same chapter also says, "And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins."

So you're the popular Christian I've heard about. You've lived up to your name quite well. =o
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The best description I've ever heard of the Bible was The Big Book of Multiple Choice.

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So basically, you believe what you want to believe and not believe what you dont want to believe. As in a religion which you can customize whichever way you want. Geez I should have become a christian a long time ago...........
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Anything's possible. Maybe the meaning has changed. Maybe mistranslation. Maybe it was meant symbolical from the start. And i'm sure You can take the Bible literally and still make sense with a little creativity. Maybe this reality we try to grasp with science ends somewhere. And maybe not.

Only You know, to some extend. So yeah You can be Christian without taking the bible literally. And socially speaking as well. Others do it all the time.

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#41 blackregiment
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The majority of Christians do just that.

GabuEx

There are surveys that suggest differently. Here's one.

http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/18-congregations/92-most-americans-take-well-known-bible-stories-at-face-value?q=catholics

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#42 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] I think we understood the question differently, making this argument go nowhere fast. >__>

Perhaps a subtle difference in interpretation.:P

Well, I interpreted it to question a literal translation the Bible in it's entirety, obviously. It's possible not to take the entire Bible literally, which is where my "yes" and Gabu's comment came from, it seems.

That may be but it's not what the dude asked and it certainly does depend on what one takes literally or not as to whether they would be Christian.
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#43 Mochyc
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

The majority of Christians do just that.

blackregiment

There are surveys that suggest differently. Here's one.

http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/18-congregations/92-most-americans-take-well-known-bible-stories-at-face-value?q=catholics

I, like most people in Satan's lair, do not trust your sources.

Not only that, but Gabu was talking about Christians; your disputable source only refers to americans.

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#44 svenus97
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Of course you must take it literally! Beliveing in God makes you immune to poision.

Belive me! Drink it, if you die, you didn't belive in God enough (I was just joking, please don't drink any poision :P )

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#45 Vesica_Prime
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Theology exists for the exact purpose of interpreting the Bible.

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#46 Cube_of_MooN
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I don't believe you have to take the Bible literally to be a Christian, so long as you believe the resurrection happened, as it serves as the cornerstone of the religion.
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#47 trick_man01
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Well since you say Christian I am assuming you are referring to the new testament of the Bible. Most of the new testament is the same story told by multiple men from multiple viewpoints. Now since there are differences in the details of each man's story it is safe to assume that there are errors and even omissions in the bible. I am a firm believer in not taking the bible literally because of this fact. That being said of course you don't have to take the bible literally. You just have to believe in the birth, death, resurrection and inevitable second coming of Jesus.
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#48 blackregiment
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[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

The majority of Christians do just that.

Mochyc

There are surveys that suggest differently. Here's one.

http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/18-congregations/92-most-americans-take-well-known-bible-stories-at-face-value?q=catholics

I, like most people in Satan's lair, do not trust your sources.

Not only that, but Gabu was talking about Christians; your disputable source only refers to americans.

You might want to re-read the information presented. It specifically addressed the beliefs of Americans in general as well as certain Christian cIassifications. You must have overlooked that.:)

In addition, Christians and Americans are not mutually exclusive groups. Over 75% to 80% of Americans identify themselves as Christians, therefore, Christians are a sub-set of Americans, a very, very large sub-set at that. A study by Barna in 2004 showed that atheists and agnostics represent about 12% of the American population.

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#49 scorch-62
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Perhaps a subtle difference in interpretation.:P

Well, I interpreted it to question a literal translation the Bible in it's entirety, obviously. It's possible not to take the entire Bible literally, which is where my "yes" and Gabu's comment came from, it seems.

That may be but it's not what the dude asked and it certainly does depend on what one takes literally or not as to whether they would be Christian.

I'm not disagreeing with you, considering your understanding of the original question. =P We understood the question differently, and we're both right in our own respects.
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#50 scorch-62
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

The majority of Christians do just that.

blackregiment

There are surveys that suggest differently. Here's one.

http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/18-congregations/92-most-americans-take-well-known-bible-stories-at-face-value?q=catholics

Your source seems to portray Catholics as Christians.