Can you justify suicide?

[QUOTE="raven_squad"]Terminal illness is the only instance I find it acceptable really. Most other problems that people commit suicide for are temporary things. BiancaDK

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="BioDogshock"]Because you have to have faith that there is light on the other side of that tunnel. Your not always going to be abused. You have to have something to keep your spirits up. The person that can do that is a truly strong person.BioDogshock

I don't understand how anyone could justify a law preventing or anyone being against suicide. A person should have the right to with their body and life as they see fit, this is a free society is it not? Imagine somebody heavily disabled, or somebody who has lost everything they love in life and have lost he will to live. Should they not be allowed to commit suicide?

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="raven_squad"]Terminal illness is the only instance I find it acceptable really. Most other problems that people commit suicide for are temporary things. BioDogshock

[QUOTE="raven_squad"]Terminal illness is the only instance I find it acceptable really. Most other problems that people commit suicide for are temporary things. BiancaDK

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="raven_squad"]Terminal illness is the only instance I find it acceptable really. Most other problems that people commit suicide for are temporary things. raven_squad

I can justify suicide and have for myself but that was me. I think people think way to differently for other people to try to make things make sense for others.

but committing suicide over those other petty grievances is pretty weak. raven_squad

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What about suicide missions our soldiers go on to rescue afghan civilians , our wounded ect. to save the weak even if you "suicide" ?

I was just using it as an exampleBioDogshock

An example that didn't work to show how suicidium outside of terminal somatic illnesses or mental illnesses are de facto unjustified myes

What about suicide missions our soldiers go on to rescue afghan civilians , our wounded ect. to save the weak even if you "suicide" ?

GamerPro1984

I have to say that I'm shocked how many people agree with me on here.

Usually I'm 100% alone and everybody else is saying that nobody ever has any excuse for suicide and that they're weaklings and selfish.

Glad that not everybody here thinks so black and white here.

The only person that can justify it is the person that commits suicide. Their minds are in a different place, and what may seem like petty things to you may be the things that hurt them so deeply that when it's all bottled up together pushes them towards ending their lives. No one understands their pain as well as they do.

The only person that can justify it is the person that commits suicide. Their minds are in a different place, and what may seem like petty things to you may be the things that hurt them so deeply that when it's all bottled up together pushes them towards ending their lives. No one understands their pain as well as they do.

jubino

My point is that all of you ungrateful little bastards can talk all you want about other people life choices untill YOU will rely on them to make those desicions. Face it there are plenty of reason suicide is justified.

My point is that all of you ungrateful little bastards can talk all you want about other people life choices untill YOU will rely on them to make those desicions. Face it there are plenty of reason suicide is justified.

GamerPro1984

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My point is that all of you ungrateful little bastards can talk all you want about other people life choices untill YOU will rely on them to make those desicions. Face it there are plenty of reason suicide is justified.

Mochyc

i never actually thought that people were against suicide *sigh*... but yes if they feel that they need to commit suicide then it's fine, i don't really get how it isn't justifiable

It can be justified in some cases, and I understand how some people feel its their only option. But in general I think its a pretty selfish thing to do, just my opinion.

Yes, absolutely.

It is your life. If you want to check out early, that is your business
-just do everyone a favor and have your affairs in order so that other people do not have to clean up your messes.
-and don't do it in way that will scar other people/where they have to literally clean up your mess
...basically do it in a way that does not inconvenience other people

there is this video about wreslers and half of them have called themselfs here is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZMybi4K1H8the music is the creepist #### I have ever heard

I posted comparing a suicide mission to examplify that most people will say "no its wrong and be adamant about it". untill they are in need of someone willing to do it. Bottom line is our freedoms are granted not by a comparable man but by (insert your beliefs...god ect.)

The trouble is that suicide doesn't just hurt the person doing it. A family member's suicide can be devastating to the entire family and often time is done when someone is not in a coherent state of mind.

So you would label someone with a terminal illness in tremendous pain a coward if they end their life?spazzx625

It is your body and your life but its rather selfish towards the people who know and love you.

It is your body and your life but its rather selfish towards the people who know and love you.

Vesica_Prime

But in some cases (as in really bad diseases) I think it is quite selfish of the loved ones to make that person keep on living.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

It is your body and your life but its rather selfish towards the people who know and love you.

MarioFan264

But in some cases (as in really bad diseases) I think it is quite selfish of the loved ones to make that person keep on living.

Yeah, suicide/euthanasia is a really gray area in terms of ethics.

I watched some Yale online lecture thing based around the idea of suicide and how it can never be justified.

It was based around the idea that suicide is never "justified" because a perosn does not know what is on the other side. Thus they are unable to compare life now to "life then." It was overly an interesting concept.However he does end it by saying in the future if there is no signs of improvement then they have the right to end their life. Mind you this is off of memory.

Herere is the lecture: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yale+suicide&aq=f

My friend was talking to me about how someone if taken enough pain suicide is a viable option. Me i think it's a coward way out of life.

Just cause you get a couple strikes doesn't mean you leave the game.

So what do you think?

BioDogshock

"They tell us that suicide is the greatest piece of cowardice... that suicide is wrong; when it is quite obvious that there is nothing in the world to which every man has a more unassailable title than to his own life and person."

As long as they don't leave behind young children I don't mind.

It's not only that life is too high a mountain to climb, but that you're a burden upon those around you. It's not a selfish act if you feel you're doing those around you a favour, but it's interpreted as so by those close by who see the loss as senseless.

I guess that's the problem with depression – what goes on internally can be vastly different to the behavior we see and therefore it's very hard to understand.

The trouble is that suicide doesn't just hurt the person doing it. A family member's suicide can be devastating to the entire family and often time is done when someone is not in a coherent state of mind.

sonicare

Yeah but suicide is not the natural order of life. The natural order of life is to die naturally or of a cause that was out of your control (example somebody shoots you) You are 100% in control of suicide. It is your choice when you have the knife/gun/ pills in your handBioDogshock

My friend was talking to me about how someone if taken enough pain suicide is a viable option. Me i think it's a coward way out of life.

Just cause you get a couple strikes doesn't mean you leave the game.

So what do you think?

BioDogshock

its my life no your life, ill end it when i want. you could think me a coward. but id be dead so i wouldnt care. im atheist so it doesnt really bother me. also i find it rather selfish that you sit here at your computer comtemplating the morals of suicide rather than being out in RL helping cure diseases and better the human race. you should probly commit suicide to provide the more productive with more resources for the advancement of the human race. greed. we dont need it. so you might as well off yourself

getting bit by a zombie?

of course. But it doesn't mean you'd agree with the justification.EMOEVOLUTION

you win.

Those who say people who commit suicide are weak have obviously never suffered from depression.

Its easier to criticize someone, then it is to put yourself in their shoes

As ironic as it may sound, I find those who call all/most of them cowards lack empathy. Then again, letting them commit suicide can also make the person appear apathetic.

i don't see me suiciding by a trouble or something bad in my life... but i can see me suiciding to save some one that i love... if their lives depend on my death, i wouldn't think twice...