Canadians cure cancer and no one gives a crap. (link inside)

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#1 MrEnvelope
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Unfortunantely business is business and I doubt the pharmaceutical companies would invest in something that would make them lose money (but at the same time save lives) :? Link

What can you say about this?

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#2 CreasianDevaili
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I say first off, your title made me laugh. No idea why. On the cure for cancer, I refer to the AIDS cocktail.
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#3 jimy1475
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its the same as electric cars, they will alow it in production when the last bit of oil is gone

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#4 bluezy
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Waiting for it to be tested on actual humans, but the progress so far (with deliberately-placed human cancer in rats shrinking significantly after drinking DCA-laced water) is promising.
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#5 worlock77
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The topic title is misleading. Nowhere in the article you link (nor its source) is it established that this is a definately cure for cancer. As the source says: human testing needs to be done.

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#6 POPEYE1716
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the article said they tested it on humans already.

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#7 Ninja-Hippo
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Some random hub page says cancer has been completely cured? It's not the most credible source ever.
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#8 SirWander
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It's not a definite cure but it does hold potential. They've only tested on 49 patients and it only treats glioblastoma, so this thread's title is widely misleading.

www. dca.med.ualberta.ca/Home/Updates/2010-05-12_Update.cfm

for some odd reason it won't let me link the site.

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#9 Rattlesnake_8
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A cure for cancer is not in the best interest of the health industry. The can charge you a LOT more for ongoing treatments for cancer.
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#10 worlock77
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A cure for cancer is not in the best interest of the health industry. The can charge you a LOT more for ongoing treatments for cancer. Rattlesnake_8

Funny, just a couple of years ago my sister-in-law was cured of breast cancer via treatments accepted by the health industry.

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#11 kuraimen
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A treatement is definitely much more profitable than the cure so pharmaceutical companies will basically aim for that.
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[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]A cure for cancer is not in the best interest of the health industry. The can charge you a LOT more for ongoing treatments for cancer. worlock77

Funny, just a couple of years ago my sister-in-law was cured of breast cancer via treatments accepted by the health industry.

Ongoing is the key word here. For the pharmaceutical world, profit is everything.
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#13 AmazonTreeBoa
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the article said they tested it on humans already.

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No, it said it was tested on human cells. It still needs to be tested on a human. The human cells it was tested on are not in a human when these test are done. Think of a culture sample.

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#14 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]A cure for cancer is not in the best interest of the health industry. The can charge you a LOT more for ongoing treatments for cancer. supa_badman

Funny, just a couple of years ago my sister-in-law was cured of breast cancer via treatments accepted by the health industry.

Ongoing is the key word here. For the pharmaceutical world, profit is everything.

Yep, the treatments were ongoing for a couple of months. Then they stopped.

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Doubt this is true, this would be all over the news, I understand that US companies are money hungry, but this just isn't how it would go. The media would plaster this all over our TVs and slate the companies, maybe US news firms could be bought out, but the rest of the world? no. I call shenanigans
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Doubt this is true, this would be all over the news, I understand that US companies are money hungry, but this just isn't how it would go. The media would plaster this all over our TVs and slate the companies, maybe US news firms could be bought out, but the rest of the world? no. I call shenanigansOverlord93
This is indeed legit, but like someone said above "It's not a definite cure but it does hold potential. They've only tested on 49 patients and it only treats glioblastoma, so this thread's title is widely misleading." Its not a magic cure that kills cancer within seconds or days, but it does show very good promise and seem to halt or reduce the size of the cancer in most patients.
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#17 weezyfb
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i lol'd at the title
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#18 PBSnipes
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A cure for cancer is not in the best interest of the health industry. The can charge you a LOT more for ongoing treatments for cancer. Rattlesnake_8

Agreed. There would simply be no money in holding the exclusive rights to a (hypothetically, anyway) safe, simple and highly effective cancer cure for 20 years. :|

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#19 HeHateMe_basic
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This could be a big breakthrough, i think most people have grown to expect cancer is just part of life. i think a real cure for it would overwhelm most people cause it just doesnt seem logical that it can be done. but it's possible in the near future the word cancer may become just another ilnness simply treated and cured. half a million people a year would be spared death. if our world ready to handle a more crowed world where people dont die as much?

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#20 metroidfood
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ITT: People who don't know anything about cancer talk about cancer.

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#21 Duxsox56
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Sketchy site, sketchy article that is very hard to follow, 3 years old and has come to very little fruition... I'm calling BS on this one.

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"In human bodies there is a natural cancer fighting human cell, themitochondria, but they need to be triggered to be effective. Scientists used to think that these mitochondria cells were damaged and thus ineffective against cancer."

The link is clearly wrong considering that mitochondria are not cells :|.

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"In human bodies there is a natural cancer fighting human cell, themitochondria, but they need to be triggered to be effective. Scientists used to think that these mitochondria cells were damaged and thus ineffective against cancer."

The link is clearly wrong considering that mitochondria are not cells :|.

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Mitocondria lives inside cells...
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#24 metroidfood
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[QUOTE="nintendoman562"]

"In human bodies there is a natural cancer fighting human cell, themitochondria, but they need to be triggered to be effective. Scientists used to think that these mitochondria cells were damaged and thus ineffective against cancer."

The link is clearly wrong considering that mitochondria are not cells :|.

horgen123

Mitocondria lives inside cells...

The point he's trying to make is that mitochondria themselves are not cells, they are organelles found inside cells, and the author messed that up.

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#25 horgen  Moderator
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The point he's trying to make is that mitochondria themselves are not cells, they are organelles found inside cells, and the author messed that up.

metroidfood
That's rather bad, but unless he has some prior knowledge about that, I can see it being easy to mix.
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#26 metroidfood
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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

The point he's trying to make is that mitochondria themselves are not cells, they are organelles found inside cells, and the author messed that up.

horgen123

That's rather bad, but unless he has some prior knowledge about that, I can see it being easy to mix.

Well given that's a fact learned in basic biology classes, I would hope he has learned it.

Anyways, the real problem is that he's mixing up this basic stuff while trying to write an expose on more advanced scientific problems.

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#27 ToastRider11
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Your source is not credible guy. If it was CNN or LA times or New york time or even Yahoo to a lower extent, I would believe it.

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#28 Darkwanderer000
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http://www.amazon.com/Beautiful-Truth-Worlds-Simplest-Cancer/dp/B001J66JQ8

http://www.amazon.com/Never-Be-Sick-Again-Health/dp/1558749543

^These are two of the important books ever written.

The mainstream health system in our country has head up it's ass when it comes to understanding and curing disease.

The fact that it's owned by profiteering drug companies, as others in this thread have indicated, doesn't help.

The reality is that almost all diseases, including cancer CAN be cured without the pharmaceutical industry's grossly overpriced bull**** or the dangerous and ineffective mainstream "treatments" for cancer: poisons ("chemotherapy"), radiation blasts, or surgery/hacking off body parts.

Medival medicine was actually less dangerous than mainstream medicine today. At least they were right about the leeches.

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#29 bobaban
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Wheres the journal article?
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#30 DanteSuikoden
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I believe there's been a cure for awhile. But the industry prefers to make money rather than save lives. That's the world we live in.

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#31 one_plum
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Replace the word "cure" with "kill" and "slaughter" and perhaps more people will give a crap then.

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#32 jer_1
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I have been absolutely disgusted at western medicine for years, I would love to see the most harm done to these corporations wallets as possible. All I can do is spread this bit of information as far and wide as I can, thanks for the link.

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#33 worlock77
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http://www.amazon.com/Beautiful-Truth-Worlds-Simplest-Cancer/dp/B001J66JQ8

http://www.amazon.com/Never-Be-Sick-Again-Health/dp/1558749543

^These are two of the important books ever written.

The mainstream health system in our country has head up it's ass when it comes to understanding and curing disease.

The fact that it's owned by profiteering drug companies, as others in this thread have indicated, doesn't help.

The reality is that almost all diseases, including cancer CAN be cured without the pharmaceutical industry's grossly overpriced bull**** or the dangerous and ineffective mainstream "treatments" for cancer: poisons ("chemotherapy"), radiation blasts, or surgery/hacking off body parts.

Medival medicine was actually less dangerous than mainstream medicine today. At least they were right about the leeches.

Darkwanderer000

It was also less effective. A lot less. And the average lifespan was short. Despite what you may want to believe modern medical proctice does have some clue what it's doing, and it is full of compassionate people that have promoting the well-being of others in mind. Is there profiteering in medicine? Absolutely. Are medical costs too high? Yes (the reasons ive more.for this are beyond the scope of my post). Although the idea that doctors and pharmaceutical companies don't want to cure cancer is rediculious. They could cure everyone with cancer (assuming they had the ability) and still profit even if that were the sole motivation. That's the thing. No matter how many sick people you treat there will always be more. Everybody will get sick at some point. Cure every patient with cancer you have today and tomorrow there will be five more.

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http://www.amazon.com/Beautiful-Truth-Worlds-Simplest-Cancer/dp/B001J66JQ8

http://www.amazon.com/Never-Be-Sick-Again-Health/dp/1558749543

^These are two of the important books ever written.

The mainstream health system in our country has head up it's ass when it comes to understanding and curing disease.

The fact that it's owned by profiteering drug companies, as others in this thread have indicated, doesn't help.

The reality is that almost all diseases, including cancer CAN be cured without the pharmaceutical industry's grossly overpriced bull**** or the dangerous and ineffective mainstream "treatments" for cancer: poisons ("chemotherapy"), radiation blasts, or surgery/hacking off body parts.

Medival medicine was actually less dangerous than mainstream medicine today. At least they were right about the leeches.

Darkwanderer000

There is no universal cure for cancer. Anyone who says that doesn't understand anything about how cancer works or how to fight it.

The books on "natural cures" or "what big pharma doesn't want you to know" are snake oil salesmen making money off of people's misconceptions. Always has been that way and always will.

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#35 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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There currently is no "cure for cancer". Cancer is a broad term that covers a large variety of malignant diseases. We have essentially cured some types of cancers, but not others. Each cancer behaves very differently and thus is treated very differently. The article you linked appears to be written by someone with no medical background. I highly doubt that our doctors and healthcare professionals are simply leaving a bona fide "cure" on the sidelines because of big pharm.

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#36 GabuEx
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Medival medicine was actually less dangerous than mainstream medicine today.

Darkwanderer000

I'm sure it was just a complete coincidence that their life expectancy back then was like 30.

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[QUOTE="Darkwanderer000"]

http://www.amazon.com/Beautiful-Truth-Worlds-Simplest-Cancer/dp/B001J66JQ8

http://www.amazon.com/Never-Be-Sick-Again-Health/dp/1558749543

^These are two of the important books ever written.

The mainstream health system in our country has head up it's ass when it comes to understanding and curing disease.

The fact that it's owned by profiteering drug companies, as others in this thread have indicated, doesn't help.

The reality is that almost all diseases, including cancer CAN be cured without the pharmaceutical industry's grossly overpriced bull$s!t or the dangerous and ineffective mainstream "treatments" for cancer: poisons ("chemotherapy"), radiation blasts, or surgery/hacking off body parts.

Medival medicine was actually less dangerous than mainstream medicine today. At least they were right about the leeches.

metroidfood

There is no universal cure for cancer. Anyone who says that doesn't understand anything about how cancer works or how to fight it.

The books on "natural cures" or "what big pharma doesn't want you to know" are snake oil salesmen making money off of people's misconceptions. Always has been that way and always will.

Thank you. People are incredibly naive when it comes to this. Honestly, who would "choose" to endure treatment for cancer when they could just take a pill or rub oil on their skin? I have no doubt in the future a true cure will be found, but as it stands now, no.

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#38 TH1Sx1SxSPARTA
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as if canada found time to do this during the NHL playoffs
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Congrats on your title, it worked at getting me in here. Too bad it wasn't backed up by reality, but at least it was amusing enough. :P
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just get the tobacco industry to fund it, after all if it cures lung cancer like the article states, the tobacco industry would love to jump on this and fund further research, if they could eliminate the major harms of smoking that just might give their industry more of a boost that they want
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#41 JPOBS
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that article is TERRIBLE at explaining the mechanisms of cell cycle division control. I want to punch whoever wrote it.
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We also colonized 3 moons of Jupiter recently.
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Doubt this is true, this would be all over the news, I understand that US companies are money hungry, but this just isn't how it would go. The media would plaster this all over our TVs and slate the companies, maybe US news firms could be bought out, but the rest of the world? no. I call shenanigansOverlord93

Do you know that their is a substance that can cure herione addiction in less than 24 hours with no withdrawels! TRUE. But the pharmaceutical companies don't want anyone knowing that... also why it isn't approved in the USA, and is actually illegal. 24 hour cure of addiction to herione... illegal.. because the drug companies want profit... its gross to think about.

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Read about this months ago, I expected it to have some sort of progress since then

I'm more concerned on the cure for diabetes since my gf has it

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This is not a cure for cancer. DCA is a anticancer drug currently under review. its still in phase 2 clinical trials.

whoever wrote this article should be smacked in the face with a textbook on cancer. hopefull they will read it and actually educate themselves about carcinogenesis before bashing the medical world. Curing cancer is not that simple. Drugs requires years of testing before than can be approved,

did I mention DCA is known to cause liver cancer in mice. DeAngelo AB, Daniel FB, Stober JA, Olson GR (1991). "The carcinogenicity of dichloroacetic acid in the male B6C3F1 mouse". Fundam Appl Toxicol.16 (2): 337–347.

testing is required before it may be approved for human use.

please be careful on what you read on the inter. "hubpages" is not a credible source of information. the author has more opinion than any real facts in their article. I'm happy that many of the GS posters were smart enough not to believe this article right away.

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[QUOTE="Overlord93"]Doubt this is true, this would be all over the news, I understand that US companies are money hungry, but this just isn't how it would go. The media would plaster this all over our TVs and slate the companies, maybe US news firms could be bought out, but the rest of the world? no. I call shenanigansInfinite_Access

Do you know that their is a substance that can cure herione addiction in less than 24 hours with no withdrawels! TRUE. But the pharmaceutical companies don't want anyone knowing that... also why it isn't approved in the USA, and is actually illegal. 24 hour cure of addiction to herione... illegal.. because the drug companies want profit... its gross to think about.

Now why would "big pharm" not want to capitalize on a cure for addiction to an illegal drug? Also, might you care to back this post up with even just the slightest shread of evidence?

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LOL Your topic title almost made me spit my coffee out.
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We also colonized 3 moons of Jupiter recently. Ace6301
Jupiter? That's old news. Last I heard, we were colonizing the Andromeda galaxy.
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#49 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Perhaps when an actual medical journal confirms the results and does testing of their own, we'll see something.

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#50 F1_2004
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The topic title is misleading. Nowhere in the article you link (nor its source) is it established that this is a definately cure for cancer. As the source says: human testing needs to be done.

worlock77

It's not a definite cure, but did you follow the source???

http://www.dca.med.ualberta.ca/Home/Updates/