Capitalism is depressing

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#1 RushKing
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When you get born, every squre foot of land around you is owned by someone. So you end up taking orders from your parents for the first 18 years of your life. You go to college and explode with debt. And after you need to get a job to pay it off and end up taking even more orders from the land owners. Capitalism is punishing people for existing.
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#2 CHOASXIII
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When you get born, every squre foot of land around you is owned by someone. So you end up taking orders from your parents for the first 18 years of your life. You go to college and explode with debt. And after you need to get a job to pay it off and end up taking even more orders from the land owners. Capitalism punishes people for existing.RushKing

I didn't explode with debt from college and this is quite a generalization. Also it's not that depressing.

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#3 Overlord93
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Statistically yes. Capitalism is significantly less happy than socialism.
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#5 Abbeten
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Capitalism has it's downsides but it's also pretty great. It's the reason you enjoy the standard of living you do right now.
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#6 whipassmt
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socialism is depressing.

What are you gonna do there's no perfect socio-political system.

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#8 RushKing
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Too much authority in capitalism. I think it all should just get torn down.
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#9 CHOASXIII
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Too much authority in capitalism. I think it all should just get torn down.RushKing

Okay then.

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Happy as a clamdave123321
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it's not desgined for the losers yes.

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#12 whipassmt
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Too much authority in capitalism. I think it all should just get torn down.RushKing
Authority is a necessary thing to keep order and make sure that people act appropriately towards one another. Plus some people rightfully have authority (for instance the authority of a parent over a child).

Plus the systems that have "torn down" capitalism have usually replaced it with something more authoritarian.

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Socialism is for those who expect to have everything handed to them by others.

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#14 RushKing
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[QUOTE="RushKing"]Too much authority in capitalism. I think it all should just get torn down.whipassmt

Authority is a necessary thing to keep order and make sure that people act appropriately towards one another. Plus some people rightfully have authority (for instance the authority of a parent over a child).

Plus the systems that have "torn down" capitalism have usually replaced it with something more authoritarian.

Anarchism has worked many times in history. The paris commune and anarchist catalonia were not very authoritarian.
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Anarchism fails because game theory.
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Somehow people fell for it...
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You end up taking orders from your parents and from whoever you work for no matter what economic system you live under lmao.
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#18 RadecSupreme
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Socialism is for those who expect to have everything handed to them by others.

Vari3ty

Not really, in socialism everyone works.

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#19 RushKing
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You end up taking orders from your parents and from whoever you work for no matter what economic system you live under lmao. GamerForca
In anarchism, I can work all by myself aslong as I'm helping the community. In capitalism people are forced to kiss the boss's a$$.
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#20 POKE777GM
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How long it took you to realize this?

And you forgot to mention how people vote for the same moronice people each term. That's also apart of Captialism, if you know what I mean.

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I love the internet.
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When you get born, every squre foot of land around you is owned by someone. So you end up taking orders from your parents for the first 18 years of your life. You go to college and explode with debt. And after you need to get a job to pay it off and end up taking even more orders from the land owners. Capitalism is punishing people for existing.RushKing

thats called the American Dream / Delusion; get born, go to school, get a job, buy a house, have kids, rinse and repeat.

Thankfully, people seem more and more aware of its fallacy every day, and are seeking their own path to happiness.

Its not capitalism that is depressing (especially given the alternatives), simply the lifestyle forced upon us at a young age.

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#23 POKE777GM
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I love the internet.Abbeten
Is that depressing? Or related to Capitalism?
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#24 Abbeten
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"]I love the internet.POKE777GM
Is that depressing? Or related to Capitalism?

Related to this thread, not capitalism. People speak with the wisdom of years they do not have.
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[QUOTE="GamerForca"]You end up taking orders from your parents and from whoever you work for no matter what economic system you live under lmao. RushKing
In anarchism, I can work all by myself aslong as I'm helping the community. In capitalism people are forced to kiss the boss's a$$.

but in capitalism, the opportunity to be the boss exists.

in anarchism, youre going to work the fields until you die. Furthermore, as you cant produce everything you need yourself, someone is always going to have leverage over you, aka there will always be some sort of authority.

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#26 Abbeten
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Actually, in anarchism you scratch out a reasonable existence until the people with guns roll in and take everything you have. Say what you want about capitalism, but at least it has a system to defend property rights and allocate resources efficiently.
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#27 l4dak47
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They're all have their issues, but pure capitalism is scary as fvck.
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#28 RushKing
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"] Fo whom is it efficient?

[QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="GamerForca"]You end up taking orders from your parents and from whoever you work for no matter what economic system you live under lmao. mrbojangles25

In anarchism, I can work all by myself aslong as I'm helping the community. In capitalism people are forced to kiss the boss's a$$.

but in capitalism, the opportunity to be the boss exists.

in anarchism, youre going to work the fields until you die.

Would the chance of becoming a slave owner justify slavery?
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Of course not. But do you think that you or me considering it unjustifiable would be sufficient to prevent it from happening?
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#30 RushKing
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Actually, in anarchism you scratch out a reasonable existence until the people with guns roll in and take everything you have. Say what you want about capitalism, but at least it has a system to defend property rights and allocate resources efficiently.Abbeten
For who is it efficient for, is the question.
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#31 POKE777GM
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[QUOTE="POKE777GM"][QUOTE="Abbeten"]I love the internet.Abbeten
Is that depressing? Or related to Capitalism?

Related to this thread, not capitalism. People speak with the wisdom of years they do not have.

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[QUOTE="Abbeten"]Actually, in anarchism you scratch out a reasonable existence until the people with guns roll in and take everything you have. Say what you want about capitalism, but at least it has a system to defend property rights and allocate resources efficiently.RushKing
For who is it efficient for, is the question.

Everyone.
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If u dun llke Murrica...

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#34 RushKing
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Of course not. But do you think that you or me considering it unjustifiable would be sufficient to prevent it from happening?Abbeten
Wage slavery could end in america if the workers stand up for themselfs.
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"]Of course not. But do you think that you or me considering it unjustifiable would be sufficient to prevent it from happening?RushKing
Wage slavery could end in america if the workers stand up for themselfs.

How? Define wage slavery, and define what steps 'standing up for themselves' would entail and what the end goal would be.
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#36 RushKing
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[QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="Abbeten"]Of course not. But do you think that you or me considering it unjustifiable would be sufficient to prevent it from happening?Abbeten
Wage slavery could end in america if the workers stand up for themselfs.

How? Define wage slavery, and define what steps 'standing up for themselves' would entail and what the end goal would be.

Scaring the elites into submission. Wage slavery is working for a boss due to the threat of starvation. The goal would be freedom from centralized power.
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"] Fo whom is it efficient?[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"] In anarchism, I can work all by myself aslong as I'm helping the community. In capitalism people are forced to kiss the boss's a$$.RushKing

but in capitalism, the opportunity to be the boss exists.

in anarchism, youre going to work the fields until you die.

Would the chance of becoming a slave owner justify slavery?

In anarchy, sure, it'd be easy. And as there is no authority to justify anything to, I wouldnt have to find any justification.

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[QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="RushKing"] Wage slavery could end in america if the workers stand up for themselfs.

How? Define wage slavery, and define what steps 'standing up for themselves' would entail and what the end goal would be.

Freedom from centralized power. Wage slavery is working for a boss due to the threat of starvation.

What is centralized power? How would you advise workers to 'stand up for themselves?' What does that entail? And in that sense, how is 'wage slavery' any different from slavery to your biological need to eat?
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#39 Laihendi
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How long it took you to realize this?

And you forgot to mention how people vote for the same moronice people each term. That's also apart of Captialism, if you know what I mean.

POKE777GM
That's the failure of democracy, not capitalism.
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] How? Define wage slavery, and define what steps 'standing up for themselves' would entail and what the end goal would be.

Freedom from centralized power. Wage slavery is working for a boss due to the threat of starvation.

What is centralized power? How would you advise workers to 'stand up for themselves?' What does that entail? And in that sense, how is 'wage slavery' any different from slavery to your biological need to eat?

Working for a boss.
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[QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="RushKing"] Freedom from centralized power. Wage slavery is working for a boss due to the threat of starvation.

What is centralized power? How would you advise workers to 'stand up for themselves?' What does that entail? And in that sense, how is 'wage slavery' any different from slavery to your biological need to eat?

Working for a boss.

There are hundreds of thousands of 'bosses' the country over, and usually those bosses have bosses. How is that 'centralized?'
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#42 RushKing
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] What is centralized power? How would you advise workers to 'stand up for themselves?' What does that entail? And in that sense, how is 'wage slavery' any different from slavery to your biological need to eat?

Working for a boss.

There are hundreds of thousands of 'bosses' the country over, and usually those bosses have bosses. How is that 'centralized?'

Thousands of bosses don't make a system flat.
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[QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="RushKing"] Working for a boss.

There are hundreds of thousands of 'bosses' the country over, and usually those bosses have bosses. How is that 'centralized?'

Thousands of bosses don't make a system flat.

They sure decentralize it. But anyway, to change the topic. What alternative do you propose?
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#44 RushKing
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[QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] There are hundreds of thousands of 'bosses' the country over, and usually those bosses have bosses. How is that 'centralized?'Abbeten
Thousands of bosses don't make a system flat.

They sure decentralize it. But anyway, to change the topic. What alternative do you propose?

Power is still centralized, just on smaller scales. I want direct democracy in the workplace.
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Wage labour is silly.
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[QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="RushKing"] Thousands of bosses don't make a system flat.

They sure decentralize it. But anyway, to change the topic. What alternative do you propose?

Power is still centralized, just on smaller scales. I want direct democracy in the workplace.

Power is always centralized if you scale down far enough. And how would that make things more efficient? How would you go about implementing something like that?
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I don't find capitalism too depressing, I mean a free market is great and all. It's the commercialism and consumerism that extends from capitalism that I find depressing.
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#48 RushKing
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] They sure decentralize it. But anyway, to change the topic. What alternative do you propose?

Power is still centralized, just on smaller scales. I want direct democracy in the workplace.

Power is always centralized if you scale down far enough. And how would that make things more efficient? How would you go about implementing something like that?

By not ordering people around. Here is a great example of Anarcho-Syndicalism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG3HPX0D2mU
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Welp, when you put it that way... :(

But then again, it is very likely, that you would have to take orders from someone in any form of a society. Heck, probably even social animals kinda have to obey / serve their leaders, queens and whatnot.

It's just a nature of life - there's always somebody with better / earlier head start and all the benefits, that stem from it (better position, more experience, more knowledge, more skill,...) and in order to catch that someone up faster, one has to take orders or at least learn from him (them).

And actually, capitalism is one of those systems, in which if you have a really good idea, you can make help yourself a lot :) (not that there are many people, who can do that :( ).

What I can understand though is, if someone considers life in capitalism more stressful than for example life in socialism. More open "competition" on pretty much all forms of market and usually smaller guarantees can make life of those at the bottom of society quite unhappy. But... as long as capitalism is established democratically (and IRC, it usually was, as opposed to some other systems, which have been established through various coups and revolts), it means that majorty of people actually prefer it.

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#50 Abbeten
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[QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="RushKing"] Power is still centralized, just on smaller scales. I want direct democracy in the workplace.

Power is always centralized if you scale down far enough. And how would that make things more efficient? How would you go about implementing something like that?

By not ordering people around. Here is a great example of Anarcho-Syndicalism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG3HPX0D2mU

That's too vague. You're still getting ordered around, and direct democracy is hilariously inefficient. What is to stop workers from voting for measures that increase costs of production to the point where it is no longer profitable to run the business? Who retains the power to fire people? Who mediates disputes?