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When you get born, every squre foot of land around you is owned by someone. So you end up taking orders from your parents for the first 18 years of your life. You go to college and explode with debt. And after you need to get a job to pay it off and end up taking even more orders from the land owners. Capitalism punishes people for existing.RushKing
I didn't explode with debt from college and this is quite a generalization. Also it's not that depressing.
Too much authority in capitalism. I think it all should just get torn down.RushKingAuthority is a necessary thing to keep order and make sure that people act appropriately towards one another. Plus some people rightfully have authority (for instance the authority of a parent over a child).
Plus the systems that have "torn down" capitalism have usually replaced it with something more authoritarian.
Authority is a necessary thing to keep order and make sure that people act appropriately towards one another. Plus some people rightfully have authority (for instance the authority of a parent over a child).[QUOTE="RushKing"]Too much authority in capitalism. I think it all should just get torn down.whipassmt
Plus the systems that have "torn down" capitalism have usually replaced it with something more authoritarian.
Anarchism has worked many times in history. The paris commune and anarchist catalonia were not very authoritarian.Socialism is for those who expect to have everything handed to them by others.
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Not really, in socialism everyone works.
You end up taking orders from your parents and from whoever you work for no matter what economic system you live under lmao. GamerForcaIn anarchism, I can work all by myself aslong as I'm helping the community. In capitalism people are forced to kiss the boss's a$$.
When you get born, every squre foot of land around you is owned by someone. So you end up taking orders from your parents for the first 18 years of your life. You go to college and explode with debt. And after you need to get a job to pay it off and end up taking even more orders from the land owners. Capitalism is punishing people for existing.RushKing
thats called the American Dream / Delusion; get born, go to school, get a job, buy a house, have kids, rinse and repeat.
Thankfully, people seem more and more aware of its fallacy every day, and are seeking their own path to happiness.
Its not capitalism that is depressing (especially given the alternatives), simply the lifestyle forced upon us at a young age.
[QUOTE="GamerForca"]You end up taking orders from your parents and from whoever you work for no matter what economic system you live under lmao. RushKingIn anarchism, I can work all by myself aslong as I'm helping the community. In capitalism people are forced to kiss the boss's a$$.
but in capitalism, the opportunity to be the boss exists.
in anarchism, youre going to work the fields until you die. Furthermore, as you cant produce everything you need yourself, someone is always going to have leverage over you, aka there will always be some sort of authority.
In anarchism, I can work all by myself aslong as I'm helping the community. In capitalism people are forced to kiss the boss's a$$.[QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="GamerForca"]You end up taking orders from your parents and from whoever you work for no matter what economic system you live under lmao. mrbojangles25
but in capitalism, the opportunity to be the boss exists.
in anarchism, youre going to work the fields until you die.
Would the chance of becoming a slave owner justify slavery?Actually, in anarchism you scratch out a reasonable existence until the people with guns roll in and take everything you have. Say what you want about capitalism, but at least it has a system to defend property rights and allocate resources efficiently.AbbetenFor who is it efficient for, is the question.
[QUOTE="Abbeten"]Actually, in anarchism you scratch out a reasonable existence until the people with guns roll in and take everything you have. Say what you want about capitalism, but at least it has a system to defend property rights and allocate resources efficiently.RushKingFor who is it efficient for, is the question. Everyone.
[QUOTE="Abbeten"]Of course not. But do you think that you or me considering it unjustifiable would be sufficient to prevent it from happening?RushKingWage slavery could end in america if the workers stand up for themselfs. How? Define wage slavery, and define what steps 'standing up for themselves' would entail and what the end goal would be.
[QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="Abbeten"]Of course not. But do you think that you or me considering it unjustifiable would be sufficient to prevent it from happening?AbbetenWage slavery could end in america if the workers stand up for themselfs. How? Define wage slavery, and define what steps 'standing up for themselves' would entail and what the end goal would be. Scaring the elites into submission. Wage slavery is working for a boss due to the threat of starvation. The goal would be freedom from centralized power.
[QUOTE="Abbeten"] Fo whom is it efficient?[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"] In anarchism, I can work all by myself aslong as I'm helping the community. In capitalism people are forced to kiss the boss's a$$.RushKing
but in capitalism, the opportunity to be the boss exists.
in anarchism, youre going to work the fields until you die.
Would the chance of becoming a slave owner justify slavery?In anarchy, sure, it'd be easy. And as there is no authority to justify anything to, I wouldnt have to find any justification.
[QUOTE="RushKing"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] There are hundreds of thousands of 'bosses' the country over, and usually those bosses have bosses. How is that 'centralized?'AbbetenThousands of bosses don't make a system flat. They sure decentralize it. But anyway, to change the topic. What alternative do you propose? Power is still centralized, just on smaller scales. I want direct democracy in the workplace.
Welp, when you put it that way... :(
But then again, it is very likely, that you would have to take orders from someone in any form of a society. Heck, probably even social animals kinda have to obey / serve their leaders, queens and whatnot.
It's just a nature of life - there's always somebody with better / earlier head start and all the benefits, that stem from it (better position, more experience, more knowledge, more skill,...) and in order to catch that someone up faster, one has to take orders or at least learn from him (them).
And actually, capitalism is one of those systems, in which if you have a really good idea, you can make help yourself a lot :) (not that there are many people, who can do that :( ).
What I can understand though is, if someone considers life in capitalism more stressful than for example life in socialism. More open "competition" on pretty much all forms of market and usually smaller guarantees can make life of those at the bottom of society quite unhappy. But... as long as capitalism is established democratically (and IRC, it usually was, as opposed to some other systems, which have been established through various coups and revolts), it means that majorty of people actually prefer it.
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