Car Poll

A Fiat 500 would be nice.Bourbons3

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[QUOTE="Angry_Mushroom"] Do explain what a "sports" car is. So far you've dismissed the S4 as if it was nothing at all, and we must all remember but previous S4's included twin turbo engines as well as V8s, and the M3 which is considered a world class sports car by most. I'd have to say that a "pony" car is a derivative of a sports car, and thus can be considered as such. I'd gladly take a 2011 Mustang 5.0 over many of the cars listed. I'll have to side with Ramrod on this one. The sports car of yesteryear do look better and in some cases are better than many modern choices. One of my dreams cars is a 1970 Ford Gran Torino with a 4 speed and with a 429. Sometimes you just can't beat old school in terms of sheer presence. Angry_Mushroom

He has no idea what a real sports car is. Anybody in the automotive industry considers something like a Trans Am or an S4 a sports car. TC has probably never driven either of them. Tell a buddy of mine who has a 580whp Firebird how awesome an E46 is and he'll laugh in your face. The popular response would be "oh yeah well..take that American junk into the corners!"....and guess what...it takes very little money to be able to put that American junk through the corners, very easily.

And you can tell TC isn't very knowledgeable about cars, because he listed the Supra and the RX-7/RX-8.

Supra's are only quick with gobs of money and even more hope that you don't blow the crap out of your turbos. And lets not forget the horrible fuel system in those cars. And the rotaries? Please. Go find some torque and get back to me.

As for the poll, of the cars listed the Corvette is the best platform.

I will be one of the last American car owners to diss anything non-American without experience with the vehicles in question. I've built DSMs, rotaries, countless turbo applications, BMWs, and I'm Audi certified. The cars he listed are all mediocre. Torque = power, horsepower is a laughable statistic. The C5 Vette, which uses leaf springs, still handles autocross like a champ, care to explain? Its not a traditional leaf spring style you would find on a truck.

TC just simply has no clue what he/she is talking about when it comes to performance. TC obviously has little to no experience actually driving and working on cars of any variety.

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He has no idea what a real sports car is. Anybody in the automotive industry considers something like a Trans Am or an S4 a sports car. TC has probably never driven either of them. Tell a buddy of mine who has a 580whp Firebird how awesome an E46 is and he'll laugh in your face. The popular response would be "oh yeah well..take that American junk into the corners!"....and guess what...it takes very little money to be able to put that American junk through the corners, very easily.

And you can tell TC isn't very knowledgeable about cars, because he listed the Supra and the RX-7/RX-8.

Supra's are only quick with gobs of money and even more hope that you don't blow the crap out of your turbos. And lets not forget the horrible fuel system in those cars. And the rotaries? Please. Go find some torque and get back to me.

As for the poll, of the cars listed the Corvette is the best platform.

grenadexjumpr

I will be one of the last American car owners to diss anything non-American without experience with the vehicles in question. I've built DSMs, rotaries, countless turbo applications, BMWs, and I'm Audi certified. The cars he listed are all mediocre. Torque = power, horsepower is a laughable statistic. The C5 Vette, which uses leaf springs, still handles autocross like a champ, care to explain? Its not a traditional leaf spring style you would find on a truck.

TC just simply has no clue what he/she is talking about when it comes to performance. TC obviously has little to no experience actually driving and working on cars of any variety.

Hummer because it is the most gas efficient and cleanest car around

A Trans Am is not generally considered a sports car.. it's a pony car, just like the Camaro, Mustang, Challenger.hartsickdiscipl

From the dictionary: Sports Car - a small, high-powered automobile with long, low lines, usually seating two persons.

If you ask me, all of the original choices in the poll fit this description. You muscle car fanatics are quick to write off a few of those choices because they don't put out 500 horsepower? Are you kidding me? I would classify a sports car as a car designed for sporting. Anything you might buy that was designed with the purpose of being a weekend car, and a daily driver to some. All of the original choices fit that. A sports car should also be, as the definition says small, and nimble. I'm sorry, but a new Camaro SS that weighs around 3800 pounds does not classify as small and nimble in any sense of the word, and having the word "sport" in the name of the car does not make it so. If it did, my grandparents Dodge Caravan Sport would be a sports car. Please think and do some research before you waste space.

I think the original poster was trying to simplify the term sports car for this forum to engage in intelligent conversation. The M3, like he said does drive and for most purposes, is a sporting car. It is however a varient of a production saloon, or sedan. Same with the EVO/STI. No one is discrediting the merits of any of these cars(or the Holden, Pontiac G8, Viper, etc.). Rather, he was trying to keep this discussion limited to cars with reasonable prices(30-40 thousand if you ask me), and also cars that are their own(not a performance varient of a more pedestrian car). Please note that I said only for the purposes of this discussion. A 80,00 dollar plus car is well beyond reasonably priced, and a Burt Reynolds Year One mobile is not even a production car. If you want to go on about that, start a forum for dream cars, rather than ignoring what the original poster was trying to accomplish.

And to answer the question, of those I would take the Supra if I had the money, just for the combination of looks, power, and the aura that goes with the 90's era Supras. Preferably the Twin-Turbo and the manual please.

From the dictionary: Sports Car - a small, high-powered automobile with long, low lines, usually seating two persons.

If you ask me, all of the original choices in the poll fit this description. You muscle car fanatics are quick to write off a few of those choices because they don't put out 500 horsepower? Are you kidding me? I would classify a sports car as a car designed for sporting. Anything you might buy that was designed with the purpose of being a weekend car, and a daily driver to some. All of the original choices fit that. A sports car should also be, as the definition says small, and nimble. I'm sorry, but a new Camaro SS that weighs around 3800 pounds does not classify as small and nimble in any sense of the word, and having the word "sport" in the name of the car does not make it so. If it did, my grandparents Dodge Caravan Sport would be a sports car. Please think and do some research before you waste space.

I think the original poster was trying to simplify the term sports car for this forum to engage in intelligent conversation. The M3, like he said does drive and for most purposes, is a sporting car. It is however a varient of a production saloon, or sedan. Same with the EVO/STI. No one is discrediting the merits of any of these cars(or the Holden, Pontiac G8, Viper, etc.). Rather, he was trying to keep this discussion limited to cars with reasonable prices(30-40 thousand if you ask me), and also cars that are their own(not a performance varient of a more pedestrian car). Please note that I said only for the purposes of this discussion. A 80,00 dollar plus car is well beyond reasonably priced, and a Burt Reynolds Year One mobile is not even a production car. If you want to go on about that, start a forum for dream cars, rather than ignoring what the original poster was trying to accomplish.

And to answer the question, of those I would take the Supra if I had the money, just for the combination of looks, power, and the aura that goes with the 90's era Supras. Preferably the Twin-Turbo and the manual please.

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This guy gets it. Thank you for posting in the spirit of, and at the same intellectual level as the original post. Guys.. just because something is fast doesn't make it a sports-car. The dictionary definition of sports car has nothing to do with 4-door saloons that were converted into hot rods, or 4000lb muscle cars guys and gals.