Celebrities talking about bullying. Anyone care?

I honestly don't care about anything televised on CNN. But seriously, I've never had a problem with bullies, I tend to keep to myself most of the time.

Maybe they're just trying to let other victims of bullying know that they're not alone and that it'll get better in time....

The bullied should be able to sue Bullies.

Let's not go down that dusty road again...

It seems like every celeb has stories about being bullied as a kid. I find that hard to believe.

The bullied should be able to sue Bullies.

rockerbikie

I care about the subject, but not about celebrities' opinions on it.SeraphimGoddess

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

The bullied should be able to sue Bullies.

[QUOTE="Thessassin"]

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

The bullied should be able to sue Bullies.

rockerbikie

And suing bullies wont make it stop, neither will crying to teachers. if a victim were to sue the bully, everyone would call the kid a **** and rag on him much worse. The only thing that will stop bullies is if you dont make yourself an easy target. Allowing kids to take these easy ways out only further increases stupid **** like shooting and suicides, do you think the world gets easier outside of school? Do you think people will stop being mean to you when youre an adult? Kids should learn young that life is hard and if given the chance people will take advantage of you and pick on you.

[QUOTE="Thessassin"]

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

The bullied should be able to sue Bullies.

rockerbikie

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"][QUOTE="Thessassin"] GTFO really, either fight back or get picked on, its human nature. i hate this thing where everyone gets sued in america, when is it enough?

Thessassin

And suing bullies wont make it stop, neither will crying to teachers. if a victim were to sue the bully, everyone would call the kid a **** and rag on him much worse. The only thing that will stop bullies is if you dont make yourself an easy target. Allowing kids to take these easy ways out only further increases stupid **** like shooting and suicides, do you think the world gets easier outside of school? Do you think people will stop being mean to you when youre an adult? Kids should learn young that life is hard and if given the chance people will take advantage of you and pick on you.

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

The bullied should be able to sue Bullies.

Thessassin

Ah I love when people try to justify bullying by blaming the victims for not fighting back.

Obviously that paraplegic kid should just activate his laser beams on his wheelchair to deal with the 5 wrestling team jocks, right?

And that emotionally disturbed kid with severe emotional problems needs to just "deal wit it!".

It always disturbs me how people are so indifferent to bullying. I assume this is because they were once bullies and do not wish to entertain the fact they severely damaged someone. It's also easier to do nothing and blame the victim.

I gather by your logic you bullied kids at school. Maybe the "anti-social kids" were bullied at avyer young age.

rockerbikie

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"][QUOTE="Thessassin"] GTFO really, either fight back or get picked on, its human nature. i hate this thing where everyone gets sued in america, when is it enough?

needled24-7

Such things can develop from severe bullying, emotional distress, etc. A person taunted day in and day out is far more likely to end up developing some sort of psychiatric disorder.

So in turn, the kids wouldn't be crazy if they weren't being bullied.

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"][QUOTE="Thessassin"] GTFO really, either fight back or get picked on, its human nature. i hate this thing where everyone gets sued in america, when is it enough?

The only thing that will stop bullies is if you dont make yourself an easy target.Thessassin

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I gather by your logic you bullied kids at school. Maybe the "anti-social kids" were bullied at avyer young age.

Thessassin

[QUOTE="Thessassin"] The only thing that will stop bullies is if you dont make yourself an easy target.harashawn

And to the others, I am not blaming the victims, i know that the bullies are at fault,but crying to teachers and someone in authority does not work. Life always taches you lessons and bullying is one of the first, that there are mean people, and you can never let yourself be a target for them. The only thing that can stop bullies is yourself plain and simple.

Personally I'm all for suing the school. It's the schools job to see to it that the students arn't in harms way. If they can't do that, then there is a problem.

I'd sue if a kindergarten teacher wasn't paying attention and a kid got out of the classroom and hit by a car in the street. I would also sue if a teacher was not paying attention/ignoring bullying and someone got hurt.

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="Thessassin"] The only thing that will stop bullies is if you dont make yourself an easy target.Thessassin

And to the others, I am not blaming the victims, i know that the bullies are at fault,but crying to teachers and someone in authority does not work. Life always taches you lessons and bullying is one of the first, that there are mean people, and you can never let yourself be a target for them. The only thing that can stop bullies is yourself plain and simple.

Right because bullies always target guys on the sports teams?Thessassin

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="Thessassin"] The only thing that will stop bullies is if you dont make yourself an easy target.Thessassin

And to the others, I am not blaming the victims, i know that the bullies are at fault,but crying to teachers and someone in authority does not work. Life always taches you lessons and bullying is one of the first, that there are mean people, and you can never let yourself be a target for them. The only thing that can stop bullies is yourself plain and simple.

No, not really.

This is a reocurring flaw in human logic. If X works for me, X must work for everyone.

Unfortunately humans are very complex creatures and the world is not black and white. Just because a solution in your scenario worked for you does not mean that scenario repeated in a completely different though somewhat similar situation will work.

This basically assumes bullies are walking automatons that don't have various reasonings. They arn't.

Everyone makes themselves a target, sometimes involuntarily.

Black? Target

Hispanic? Target

Red head? Target

Gay parents? Target

Fat? Target

Don't like sports? Target

New? Target

Short? Target

Tall? Target

Skinny? Target

Gay? Target

It is not the job of the students to fight and defend themselves as if they were in some sort of battlezone. It is the job of the teachers and school to ensure that the school is a safe enviroment. If they cannot do that then they are not doing their jobs correctly and action must be taken.

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[QUOTE="harashawn"] "Though this be madness, yet there is method in it" is not always true. Bullies don't necessarily need a reason to choose their target.rockerbikie

And to the others, I am not blaming the victims, i know that the bullies are at fault,but crying to teachers and someone in authority does not work. Life always taches you lessons and bullying is one of the first, that there are mean people, and you can never let yourself be a target for them. The only thing that can stop bullies is yourself plain and simple.

It is easy for a popular kid to say that. I stand up to bullies. Though some of my friends don't and even when they do. All they get is more ****.

rockerbikie

Personally I'm all for suing the school. It's the schools job to see to it that the students arn't in harms way. If they can't do that, then there is a problem.

I'd sue if a kindergarten teacher wasn't paying attention and a kid got out of the classroom and hit by a car in the street. I would also sue if a teacher was not paying attention/ignoring bullying and someone got hurt.Pixel-Pirate

I didn't say anything that even remotely resembled that. harashawn

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"][QUOTE="Thessassin"] Right because bullies always target guys on the sports teams?

And to the others, I am not blaming the victims, i know that the bullies are at fault,but crying to teachers and someone in authority does not work. Life always taches you lessons and bullying is one of the first, that there are mean people, and you can never let yourself be a target for them. The only thing that can stop bullies is yourself plain and simple.

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"] I wasnt always popular, believe me. I used to have a small group of friends, and i was bullied as a kid too. But as i grew older i just changed, took more chances, got more social, and now im where im at because of me and only me. And fighting back is definately going to rattle a bully more, i know it will, but you have to rattle their **** untill its not worth their time to come after you.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Personally I'm all for suing the school. It's the schools job to see to it that the students arn't in harms way. If they can't do that, then there is a problem.

I'd sue if a kindergarten teacher wasn't paying attention and a kid got out of the classroom and hit by a car in the street. I would also sue if a teacher was not paying attention/ignoring bullying and someone got hurt.Thessassin

I didn't say anything that even remotely resembled that. harashawn

No, sorry, that is not an excuse. If the teachers cannot handle it then hire security guards. Stadiums and malls and such handle thousands of people at once without a problem. Hire security if the problem is that serious.

It is their job to ensure the enviroment is safe. If they cannot, then there is a serious problem.

And no, bullies pick targets for various reasons. There is no guide to bullying or a bully lore. All bullies are different. They are not preprogrammed automatons.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"] That's why bullies should get the cane. I have blackmailed Bullies before.rockerbikie

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"] I wasnt always popular, believe me. I used to have a small group of friends, and i was bullied as a kid too. But as i grew older i just changed, took more chances, got more social, and now im where im at because of me and only me. And fighting back is definately going to rattle a bully more, i know it will, but you have to rattle their **** untill its not worth their time to come after you.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Personally I'm all for suing the school. It's the schools job to see to it that the students arn't in harms way. If they can't do that, then there is a problem.

I'd sue if a kindergarten teacher wasn't paying attention and a kid got out of the classroom and hit by a car in the street. I would also sue if a teacher was not paying attention/ignoring bullying and someone got hurt.

I didn't say anything that even remotely resembled that. harashawn

No, sorry, that is not an excuse. If the teachers cannot handle it then hire security guards. Stadiums and malls and such handle thousands of people at once without a problem. Hire security if the problem is that serious.

It is their job to ensure the enviroment is safe. If they cannot, then there is a serious problem.

Pixel-Pirate

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]blackmailing is a form of bullying, right?

No but you said bullies dont always pick their targets, yes they do, and its based off how weak they think you are.

Thessassin

Thessassin

[QUOTE="Thessassin"]No but you said bullies dont always pick their targets, yes they do, and its based off how weak they think you are.

harashawn

I think your entire argument seems to be to just pull off some epic confrontation with a/the bully like from a 90's teen comedy and that'll be the end of it.

Fighting back rarely works, and if anything only makes it worse. Unless you want to get really ****ing intense about it, which few are capable of to begin with.

It's a teacher's/school faculty's duty to know what's going on in their facilities. A good teacher can easily alleviate any dire case of bullying with a little investment.

Simply not joining the right clique is enough reason to get bullied. They have very low standards for who they'll target.

SeraphimGoddess

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"] No, it's just tapeing their insults and threatening to give to the teacher if they don't stop.rockerbikie

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

No, sorry, that is not an excuse. If the teachers cannot handle it then hire security guards. Stadiums and malls and such handle thousands of people at once without a problem. Hire security if the problem is that serious.

It is their job to ensure the enviroment is safe. If they cannot, then there is a serious problem.

Thessassin

No, people do not need severely scarring experiences that can lead to serious mental disorders later in life. This is why we don't as society have a right of passage where we dangle children off liffs or make them fight each other to death. Again you are making some bad logic here. You assume because for you or another it may "strengthen them later in life!" that it would do that for everyone and would not cause severe emotional or mental problems later in life instead.

What might be right for you may not be right for some.

And kindergartens don't need them considering kindergartens generally don't leave the direct view of the teacher (you can't have 4 and 5 year olds running off by themselves unsupervised. That would be pretty serious child endangerment by the school).

I see no problem with having security guards in high school considering some high schools have POLICE MEN and metal detectors on the premise. Some security guards won't be worse. This is only necessary if the school refuses to get on the ball about their bullying problem. It's either that or lawsuits.

No, people do not need severely scarring experiences that can lead to serious mental disorders later in life. This is why we don't as society have a right of passage where we dangle children off liffs or make them fight each other to death. Again you are making some bad logic here. You assume because for you or another it may "strengthen them later in life!"that it would do that for everyone and would not cause severe emotional or mental problems later in life instead.

What might be right for you may not be right for some.

And kindergartens don't need them considering kindergartens generally don't leave the direct view of the teacher(you can't have 4 and 5 year olds running off by themselves unsupervised. That would be pretty serious child endangerment by the school).

I see no problem with having security guards in high school considering some high schools have POLICE MEN and metal detectorson the premise. Some security guards won't be worse. This is only necessary if the school refuses to get on the ball about their bullying problem. It's either that or lawsuits.

Pixel-Pirate

1: Conflict Resolution is learned skill, there is no getting around that, you need to learn it through conflict there is no getting around that either. It dosent only work for me, it's kinda how EVERYONE learns it. And when im saying bullying i dont mean torment, mild to moderate bullying will teach kids conflict resolution.

2: Go to a kindergarten when they have recess, fiels full of kids with about 3-5 staff members.

3: i disagree with that as well, school is a place for learning not a prison. Metal detectors and designated officers are just overboard. Take away the prison atmosphere and a lot of bad conduct goes along with it.

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

The bullied should be able to sue Bullies.

Thessassin

A few thing wrong with your suggestion.

• First,the school will often punish the victim moreso than the bully. The bullies are usually smart enough to not leave marks and to incriminate themselves. A victim fighting his tormenter will get disciplined regardless if he is justified in doingso or not and the zero tolerance punishments the kid will go through will likely not be worth fighting his aggressor.
• Secondly, you speak from an entirelymale perspective. You don't factor in the female bullies who use social manipulation and psychological tactics in order to socially ostricize another girl (or even a boy) which are much trickier to stand up to.
• Thirdly, standing up against bullies does not work in situations where the bullies are part of gangs or have weapons on them.
• Fourth, holding schools more accountable for bullying will force districts to put actual effort into minimize bullying and other socially deviant behaviorand that can only be done with exposing the issue more.
• Fifth, parents (particularly single mothers) are taught tonot encourage teaching their kids to fight back and defend him/herself, especially considering the legal ramifications and the political ****storm for particularly serious incidents.

Your heart was in a good place, but you seem to be unaware with the type of climate many kids have to deal with (you personally don't seem to have had any particularly cruel experience with bullying judging by the experiences you have shared here).

It seems like almost all celebrities were bullied at one point.

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[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

The bullied should be able to sue Bullies.

rolfboy

A few thing wrong with your suggestion.

• First,the school will often punish the victim moreso than the bully. The bullies are usually smart enough to not leave marks and to incriminate themselves. A victim fighting his tormenter will get disciplined regardless if he is justified in doingso or not and the zero tolerance punishments the kid will go through will likely not be worth fighting his aggressor. I dont know about you, but any school punishment is worth my dignity.
• Secondly, you speak from an entirely male perspective. You don't factor in the female bullies who use social manipulation and psychological tactics in order to socially ostricize another girl (or even a boy) which are much trickier to stand up to. This is true i do speak from a male perspective and i do understand that female bullies are often the worst, but standing up to them isnt impossible, just more tricky.
• Thirdly, standing up against bullies does not work in situations where the bullies are part of gangs or have weapons on them. This does make it more difficult, i wont get into this because my response would drag through a whole mess of other subjects not related to bullying.
• Fourth, holding schools more accountable for bullying will force districts to put actual effort into minimize bullying and other socially deviant behavior and that can only be done with exposing the issue more. People make bullying out to be some completely inhumane torture that kids aren't able to handle, when this is not the case. Often kids can and should reolve it themselves, because when the kids grow up, they wont have someone to cry to when someones mean to them. I believe that schools should prepare kids for the real world, which none of them seem to do.
• Fifth, parents (particularly single mothers) are taught to not encourage teaching their kids to fight back and defend him/herself, especially considering the legal ramifications and the political ****storm for particularly serious incidents. I have never heard of this, but i would never tell my kids not to defend themselves from bullies.

Your heart was in a good place, but you seem to be unaware with the type of climate many kids have to deal with (you personally don't seem to have had any particularly cruel experience with bullying judging by the experiences you have shared here).I just made broad statements here, never got too personal, but you're right. I never did have it as bad as some others have, but bullies are bullies, and they will be everywhere. If you dont stand up for yourself, then who will?

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

The bullied should be able to sue Bullies.

Thessassin

Good thing that's not the case in the real world. Seriously, **** the school boards and their systems. If they smartened up and analyzed WHY the victims fought back then we wouldn't have the Columbine shootings. The two victims couldn't fight back, so what did they do? Grab a couple of guns and take their attackers down with them.

The OP is ridiculous.

Celebrities speaking out against bullying can only be a good thing because they have a huge platform.

I swear, sometimes I think that people hate on celebrities just for the sake of it, even if what the celebrities are doing is good natured.