Celebrities talking about bullying. Anyone care?

I find it hard to believe that Madonna of all people was bullied. maybe but come on. SHe's lost her damn mind ever since she adopted that starvin marvinBill_Brasky_01

Why? She is one of the more eccentric pop stars out there.

And do you really think that she was the Madonna we know now when she was in high school? She has said time and time again that she wasn't popular and that she was a dork.

It seems like every celeb has stories about being bullied as a kid. I find that hard to believe.

BMD004

And why is that?

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[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

The bullied should be able to sue Bullies.

Pixel-Pirate

Ah I love when people try to justify bullying by blaming the victims for not fighting back.

Obviously that paraplegic kid should just activate his laser beams on his wheelchair to deal with the 5 wrestling team jocks, right?

And that emotionally disturbed kid with severe emotional problems needs to just "deal wit it!".

It always disturbs me how people are so indifferent to bullying. I assume this is because they were once bullies and do not wish to entertain the fact they severely damaged someone. It's also easier to do nothing and blame the victim.

That's a solid theory.

Its only gonna cause more bullying because now they have a soapbox, and there teaching the children to not stand up for themselves. If you don't want to be bullied, don't appear weak. Anytime someone tried to bully me in school I would ignore them, an if they kept it up I would etry to bully them back, if that didn't work I would beat the mess out of them around as many people as possible, and I never got suspended for more than 3 days, and still got straight A's. Also it made me popular cause everyone likes the kid who kicked the bullies butt in the lunchroom. On top of that, SURPRISE! no one ever bullied me. Bullies are wusses and look for people who they think won't fight back to bully. Instead of teaching bullying is bad, sense it will never stop, teach the bullied to fight back and protect themselves. That will make a difference. But OH.... That's not politically correct. However bullying is a completely different story when your an adult and much harder to overcome, because you can't just punch someone an not go to jail, but if your a kid or even a teen and your getting bullied, , i'm sorry to say 70% of the time, its your fault. Theres alot you can do to overcome that if your truly not scared to stick up for yourself.VeteranOG

This attitude is downright immature.

Not everybody can "beat the mess" out of bullies (if I believe your story, which I don't) and bullies can't always be ignored. What if there's more than one of them? What if there's tons of them? What if the person being bullied has emotional issues that make them unequipped to deal with bullies? What if they are simply not tough by nature? Why should they be looked down at for that?

How do you know that all bullies are wusses? Some of them are, while some of them are legitimately dangerous.

And why in the world should we stop saying bullying is bad simply because there are some people can fight back? Do you think bullying is bad? If so, why in the world should we not teach kids that bullying is bad? Yes, we can teach kids to stand up for themselves, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't teach that bullying is a bad thing? It's not an either or.

70% of the time it's the victim's fault? How the hell do you know that?

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It seems like every celeb has stories about being bullied as a kid. I find that hard to believe.

GreySeal9

And why is that?

I'd imagine it's because those that weren't bullied don't mention it so we don't notice it. On the other hand we have a handful of celebrities who dealt with bullying and it will be brought up in their life story and it sticks in peoples head more.

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No, people do not need severely scarring experiences that can lead to serious mental disorders later in life. This is why we don't as society have a right of passage where we dangle children off liffs or make them fight each other to death. Again you are making some bad logic here. You assume because for you or another it may "strengthen them later in life!"that it would do that for everyone and would not cause severe emotional or mental problems later in life instead.

What might be right for you may not be right for some.

And kindergartens don't need them considering kindergartens generally don't leave the direct view of the teacher(you can't have 4 and 5 year olds running off by themselves unsupervised. That would be pretty serious child endangerment by the school).

I see no problem with having security guards in high school considering some high schools have POLICE MEN and metal detectorson the premise. Some security guards won't be worse. This is only necessary if the school refuses to get on the ball about their bullying problem. It's either that or lawsuits.

Thessassin

1: Conflict Resolution is learned skill, there is no getting around that, you need to learn it through conflict there is no getting around that either. It dosent only work for me, it's kinda how EVERYONE learns it. And when im saying bullying i dont mean torment, mild to moderate bullying will teach kids conflict resolution.

2: Go to a kindergarten when they have recess, fiels full of kids with about 3-5 staff members.

3: i disagree with that as well, school is a place for learning not a prison. Metal detectors and designated officers are just overboard. Take away the prison atmosphere and a lot of bad conduct goes along with it.

1. You're suggesting people resolve the conflict via fights, which isn't a viable solution in adult life as violence will get you arrested. This is a school, not a place to use tough love practices. You sound as if you believe every person needs to end up bullied. Which, again, sounds more like a justification for bullying. People don't need to be bullied. It does not teach them valuable things and often just leads to severe psychological scarring. The bully SHOULD get sued. It teaches him a valuable lesson. You will get in trouble if you break laws and assault people.

2. I went to kindergarten. There was a small patch of grass, about 30 kids, and 2 teachers were enough to watch the small ara. Kindergarteners also rarely engage in bullying.

3. Indeed it isn't a prison. So why should we have prison like settings where kids are beaten as if it were a prison? If child safety cannot be garunteed by the faculty then severe measures are required such as police officers. This is the reason some places do employ police and metal detectors. They cannot garuntee the students safety so they require police. This is how the world works, if you are going to put someone in a situation that could be dangerous you must offer viable protection. If you don't, you are at fault for anything that happens to them. As such the school should get sued.

People make bullying out to be some completely inhumane torture that kids aren't able to handle, when this is not the case. Often kids can and should reolve it themselves, because when the kids grow up, they wont have someone to cry to when someones mean to them. I believe that schools should prepare kids for the real world, which none of them seem to do.

Thessassin

Again how do you know this is not the case?

You again make the mistake of using your experience with something and assuming it to be the experience of everyone. For people who end up needing therapy or just outright comitting suicide or doing a school shooting, it generally IS severe tortue. Not some moderate picking.

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

The bullied should be able to sue Bullies.

Thessassin

[QUOTE="VeteranOG"]Its only gonna cause more bullying because now they have a soapbox, and there teaching the children to not stand up for themselves. If you don't want to be bullied, don't appear weak. Anytime someone tried to bully me in school I would ignore them, an if they kept it up I would etry to bully them back, if that didn't work I would beat the mess out of them around as many people as possible, and I never got suspended for more than 3 days, and still got straight A's. Also it made me popular cause everyone likes the kid who kicked the bullies butt in the lunchroom. On top of that, SURPRISE! no one ever bullied me. Bullies are wusses and look for people who they think won't fight back to bully. Instead of teaching bullying is bad, sense it will never stop, teach the bullied to fight back and protect themselves. That will make a difference. But OH.... That's not politically correct. However bullying is a completely different story when your an adult and much harder to overcome, because you can't just punch someone an not go to jail, but if your a kid or even a teen and your getting bullied, , i'm sorry to say 70% of the time, its your fault. Theres alot you can do to overcome that if your truly not scared to stick up for yourself.GreySeal9

This attitude is downright immature.

Not everybody can "beat the mess" out of bullies (if I believe your story, which I don't) and bullies can't always be ignored. What if there's more than one of them? What if there's tons of them? What if the person being bullied has emotional issues that make them unequipped to deal with bullies? What if they are simply not tough by nature? Why should they be looked down at for that?

How do you know that all bullies are wusses? Some of them are, while some of them are legitimately dangerous.

And why in the world should we stop saying bullying is bad simply because there are some people can fight back? Do you think bullying is bad? If so, why in the world should we not teach kids that bullying is bad? Yes, we can teach kids to stand up for themselves, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't teach that bullying is a bad thing? It's not an either or.

70% of the time it's the victim's fault? How the hell do you know that?

Bullying is a problem because theres a fairly large amount of people who believe bullying is good.

These people usually had very small amounts of bullying in their life (or were the bullies) and think it's some sort of requirement to being a person. That we need bullies to teach people to stand up for themselves. Blaming the victim is also very common. We had a thread just like this back in april or so that had a fairly large group of people defending bullies and basically using the "They was askin for it!" defense to justify bullying.

The main problem when discussing bullying is people only think of their own experience with bullying and apply it to all cases. Their case wasn't extreme and they solved it by attacking the bully. There for they incorrectly assume all cases are mild and can be solved this way. They do not take into account people with different personalities, people who arn't buff, people who are the opposite gender, people who have mental problems, the bullies being severely stronger, the bullies being numerous (This isn't a Bruce lee movie. And a scrawny kid fighting 4 others even if they too are scrawny, is going to get beat down. HARD.), the bullies having weapons (Yes! Lets encourge kids to take on people with knives and guns. That will surely end well!), etc. People need to understand their experience does not apply to everyone. So your bully was a weak guy who folded at the first punch? Not everyones is.

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[QUOTE="VeteranOG"]Its only gonna cause more bullying because now they have a soapbox, and there teaching the children to not stand up for themselves. If you don't want to be bullied, don't appear weak. Anytime someone tried to bully me in school I would ignore them, an if they kept it up I would etry to bully them back, if that didn't work I would beat the mess out of them around as many people as possible, and I never got suspended for more than 3 days, and still got straight A's. Also it made me popular cause everyone likes the kid who kicked the bullies butt in the lunchroom. On top of that, SURPRISE! no one ever bullied me. Bullies are wusses and look for people who they think won't fight back to bully. Instead of teaching bullying is bad, sense it will never stop, teach the bullied to fight back and protect themselves. That will make a difference. But OH.... That's not politically correct. However bullying is a completely different story when your an adult and much harder to overcome, because you can't just punch someone an not go to jail, but if your a kid or even a teen and your getting bullied, , i'm sorry to say 70% of the time, its your fault. Theres alot you can do to overcome that if your truly not scared to stick up for yourself.Pixel-Pirate

This attitude is downright immature.

Not everybody can "beat the mess" out of bullies (if I believe your story, which I don't) and bullies can't always be ignored. What if there's more than one of them? What if there's tons of them? What if the person being bullied has emotional issues that make them unequipped to deal with bullies? What if they are simply not tough by nature? Why should they be looked down at for that?

How do you know that all bullies are wusses? Some of them are, while some of them are legitimately dangerous.

And why in the world should we stop saying bullying is bad simply because there are some people can fight back? Do you think bullying is bad? If so, why in the world should we not teach kids that bullying is bad? Yes, we can teach kids to stand up for themselves, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't teach that bullying is a bad thing? It's not an either or.

70% of the time it's the victim's fault? How the hell do you know that?

Bullying is a problem because theres a fairly large amount of people who believe bullying is good.

These people usually had very small amounts of bullying in their life (or were the bullies) and think it's some sort of requirement to being a person. That we need bullies to teach people to stand up for themselves. Blaming the victim is also very common. We had a thread just like this back in april or so that had a fairly large group of people defending bullies and basically using the "They was askin for it!" defense to justify bullying.

The main problem when discussing bullying is people only think of their own experience with bullying and apply it to all cases. Their case wasn't extreme and they solved it by attacking the bully. There for they incorrectly assume all cases are mild and can be solved this way. They do not take into account people with different personalities, people who arn't buff, people who are the opposite gender, people who have mental problems, the bullies being severely stronger, the bullies being numerous (This isn't a Bruce lee movie. And a scrawny kid fighting 4 others even if they too are scrawny, is going to get beat down. HARD.), the bullies having weapons (Yes! Lets encourge kids to take on people with knives and guns. That will surely end well!), etc. People need to understand their experience does not apply to everyone. So your bully was a weak guy who folded at the first punch? Not everyones is.

Agreed on all points.

I think its helpful that celebrities talk about it. Gets people thinking that it will get better.

I got bullied up until about 10th grade. I was kicked out of high school for having a hit list of students I wanted to kill and a 10-15 page guide on various ways to torture and maim them. I probably would've never followed through with any of that, especially considering my lack of physical strength at the time, but it helped me let out some steam. But don't let me fool you, if I had access to a firearm, I surely would've used it. Teachers never did anything, the students that picked on me were always suck ups to the teachers, so they only got dismissive warnings, and they would continue later on. Or instead of making fun of me to my face, they'd just sit across the room and make fun from afar, which really isn't any better. Sometimes the teachers would even start on me, and not even in a cheeky/harmless banter, but they would think I was asleep and they'd lament to the class about how much of a loser I would be. This extreme emotional alienation led me to drugs and various other self-destructive tendencies, as well as a couple mental disorders. But hey.....I've got nothin. Brozekial

[QUOTE="Brozekial"]I got bullied up until about 10th grade. I was kicked out of high school for having a hit list of students I wanted to kill and a 10-15 page guide on various ways to torture and maim them. I probably would've never followed through with any of that, especially considering my lack of physical strength at the time, but it helped me let out some steam. But don't let me fool you, if I had access to a firearm, I surely would've used it. Teachers never did anything, the students that picked on me were always suck ups to the teachers, so they only got dismissive warnings, and they would continue later on. Or instead of making fun of me to my face, they'd just sit across the room and make fun from afar, which really isn't any better. Sometimes the teachers would even start on me, and not even in a cheeky/harmless banter, but they would think I was asleep and they'd lament to the class about how much of a loser I would be. This extreme emotional alienation led me to drugs and various other self-destructive tendencies, as well as a couple mental disorders. But hey.....I've got nothin. VeteranOG

So by your own logic, we shouldn't even have police, right? Crime will always be there,why fight it? It's the job of the individual to deal with later in life bullies (criminals). You gotta beat that gunman with your bare hands!

Really, you make the same mistake as another poster in this thread. You assume your experience is the same as everyone elses. You assume all bullies are uniform and have no varying personality and all react the same way.

Yay your scenario went well for you. Now lets add 3 extra bullies to your scenario. Lets also give one or two of them knives. You pull your stunt.

After school the bullies find you and stab you to death. Your advice didn't work very well.

okay so by that logic if oil didnt exist then america wouldnt go to war. No bullying isnt the only cause of these massaces, the kids in columbine were antisocial kids, that makes them lonely, and an easy target for bullying. the bullies took advantage of that, not caused it. They would have been alone and screwed up without them, maybe the bullies helped push them over the deep end but they alone were not the cause of it.

And suing bullies wont make it stop, neither will crying to teachers. if a victim were to sue the bully, everyone would call the kid a **** and rag on him much worse. The only thing that will stop bullies is if you dont make yourself an easy target. Allowing kids to take these easy ways out only further increases stupid **** like shooting and suicides, do you think the world gets easier outside of school? Do you think people will stop being mean to you when youre an adult? Kids should learn young that life is hard and if given the chance people will take advantage of you and pick on you.

Thessassin

I don't care much about celebrities. But bullies should realize the people they're bullying may snap and do a Columbine on them. When the bullied folks decide life isn't worth living and they'll take their tormentors with them, oh well. You reap what you sow.

[QUOTE="Brozekial"]I got bullied up until about 10th grade. I was kicked out of high school for having a hit list of students I wanted to kill and a 10-15 page guide on various ways to torture and maim them. I probably would've never followed through with any of that, especially considering my lack of physical strength at the time, but it helped me let out some steam. But don't let me fool you, if I had access to a firearm, I surely would've used it. Teachers never did anything, the students that picked on me were always suck ups to the teachers, so they only got dismissive warnings, and they would continue later on. Or instead of making fun of me to my face, they'd just sit across the room and make fun from afar, which really isn't any better. Sometimes the teachers would even start on me, and not even in a cheeky/harmless banter, but they would think I was asleep and they'd lament to the class about how much of a loser I would be. This extreme emotional alienation led me to drugs and various other self-destructive tendencies, as well as a couple mental disorders. But hey.....I've got nothin. VeteranOG

The celebrities are talking about it because they want to expose the issue and make it stop. I think it's good that people with high positions in Hollywood, and many young fans, speak out on the subject.

85% of the time celebrities don't even know what they're talking about, especially if it's a figure with a bad reputation.

In all doubts, the Columbine shooting was asked for-both kids were tormented for years with no support from anyone, and it has been happening for years. Those bullies got what they asked for-you get what you manifest. In my opinion bullies don't deserve any pity if they get a couple of bullets in their ass from someone they tormented for half a decade just because they think it was funny to do so.

I went to the same school as keira knightley (not at the same time). she claims she was bulied but acording to some of my teachers she was actually quite a bully her self.

dont care about anything that has to do with celebs.. there meaningless to me.

as for the subject, everyone gets picked on at some point or another.. it makes you tougher. im not saying go throw kids in garbage dumpsters but i got teased like everyone else and i didnt get all emo about it... i went home and did some pushups... lol. now they dont bully me anymore..

dont care about anything that has to do with celebs.. there meaningless to me.

as for the subject, everyone gets picked on at some point or another.. it makes you tougher. im not saying go throw kids in garbage dumpsters but i got teased like everyone else and i didnt get all emo about it... i went home and did some pushups... lol. now they dont bully me anymore..

incred_davis

I honestly don't care about anything televised on CNN. But seriously, I've never had a problem with bullies, I tend to keep to myself most of the time.

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