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#51 FireEmblem_Man
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@FireEmblem_Man: Violence? Like that Trump supporter punching someone in the face? Like what Trump encourages his supporters to do? No liberals did any of that tonight that I'm aware of.

It's his words and his actions, not mine. Like I said, I don't support him. It was a rally dedicated for Trump and his supporters, then you get those "protesters" in the center chanting "We Dump Trump" many times

Yeah, you actually think this is progressive?

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@NathanDrakeSwag: The very first signs of any conflict arising between anyone according to the CPD happened AFTER Trump called the whole thing off. Now I'm just repeating myself. Are facts going to matter or are you going to just assume whatever you would like to believe?

The protesters were already out in full force before the rally was called off. The news channels like CNN were already anticipating it and knew what was going to happen.

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#53 mark1974
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@NathanDrakeSwag: The point is that the protests were peaceful. Surely you are not against that too?

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As an aside I don't know how you guys handle it over there. The election process feels ridiculously too long, it's like everything is about politics 24/7 365.

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#55  Edited By FireEmblem_Man
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@NathanDrakeSwag: The point is that the protests were peaceful. Surely you are not against that too?

There wasn't anything peaceful about it. The KKK in Southern California did a peaceful protest, yet supports of the "BLM" movement came in to protest that spiraled out to violence.

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@NathanDrakeSwag: The point is that the protests were peaceful. Surely you are not against that too?

No they weren't. Did you read what the signs said and listen to what the protesters were saying? There is also video of the protesters attacking Trump supporters. Mind you the Trump supporters actually had a reason to be there. The protesters just wanted to cause a scene and get on TV.

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The whole Trump phenomenon is extremely sickening. It's downright chilling that a candidate for one of the major party's is encouraging violence against protesters.

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@NathanDrakeSwag: The point is that the protests were peaceful. Surely you are not against that too?

Why were two police officers injured?

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#60 omotih
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The protesters just wanted to cause a scene and get on TV.

sounds like a reason to me ...

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I'm sorry did I just read that one of the candidates for presidency had a rally shut down. And it was celebrated?

Well **** get ready for 1984 US, watch your tongue or the ministry of truth will make your body disappear.

This is in no way acceptable, If you do not like what a person is saying, let him fail on his own premise premise, but what right do anyone have to shut down such a rally?

If he is not fit for president, then he will not get voters, that is how your system was supposed to work, so have you no faith in the system, or the people?

Either people are too easily offended nowadays, or some sick political or religious movement has started happening. I am frankly not sure which.

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#62 omotih
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but what right do anyone have to shut down such a rally?

he failed, by ur own defenition, Putin ...

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@mark1974:

What part of Chicago you live in?

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I'm proud of my city. Don't get me wrong there are some knuckleheads in those crowds and we have problems in our community but I appreciate the protest from the average person out there. I don't know what the rest of this country is doing but we aren't going to have it here! Trump got shut down. I bet he is stupid enough to be surprised by this. Link:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-rally-idUSMTZSAPEC3CWI3VFZ

A campaign rally of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump scheduled for Friday night in Chicago has been postponed for safety reasons due to widespread protests, a Trump campaign staffer said.

It is not know when or if the rally will be rescheduled. Thousands had gathered to protest Trump's candidacy.

An example of freedom of speech again by the left.

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#65 mark1974
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Trump shut down the rally himself. Trump has instigated the violence. There are always going to be knuckleheads and I'm not going to deffend them. I do deffend the protestors right to be there. The violence started when Trump gathered them all together there and then canceled. Trump supporters respect their sides anger but have no respect for our anger against his hate speech. Trump has literally asked supporters to punch someone in the face. Pot calling the kettle black here.

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The whole Trump phenomenon is extremely sickening. It's downright chilling that a candidate for one of the major party's is encouraging violence against protesters.

There's a reason why you're not seeing these at other political rallies. Because even slime balls like Cruz aren't inciting violence. Trump is a phenomenon right now because he represents a large segment of American society. One that is sexist, racist, angry, and ignorant. He represents the worst of us.

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#67 mark1974
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@JimB: The right to assemble and the right to protest is the right to freedom of speech.

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"Trump also blamed the media for what he saw as an overinflation of the evening's problems."

Trump thought it was no big deal. So you Trump supporters can't have it both ways.

What does fellow Republican Ted Cruz think?

"In any campaign, responsibility starts at the top," Cruz told reporters in Rolling Meadows, Illinois.

"When you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence," he continued, "you create an environment that only encourages that sort of nasty discourse."

Cruz added that the violence was a "predictable consequence" of Trump's posture toward protesters at his events.

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@mark1974: Who are you referring to? Yes, it's freedom of speech if you're referring to the trump rally. Not if you're talking about the people trying to stop the rally.

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@mark1974: This is leftist gibberish. Trump's rallies are entierly separate events. Nobody forces these protesters to go to thoes rallies, thus you can't use "hostile attitude" to excuse people who voluntarily goes to these events in order to sabotage.

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#71 indzman
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Trump really gets Lots of Hate :)

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#72  Edited By mark1974
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@jointed: The protestors are using their freedom of speech to object to Trumps rhetoric. This is how it is meant to be. The constitution protects the right to assemble and to protest peacefully. And it was peaceful until Trump canceled and then some knuckleheads started pushing each other around. Trump encourages that behavior.

Do you think Ted Cruz's comments on it that I posted above are "leftist gibberish"?

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#73 mark1974
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@indzman: You reap what you sow.

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@mark1974: First of all, Ted Cruz is irrelevant and on top of that a theocrat. Secondly, why would the Trump-campaign cancel the rally if the protests didn't have any forcible impact?

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#75  Edited By mark1974
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@jointed: Same reason he wouldn't do the debate with Megyn Kelly. He doesn't like dissenters and there were way too many of them there for him to kick them all out.

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@mark1974: So sabotaging political rallies is your version of free speech? I wonder what your reaction would have been if this happened to a Sanders-rally.

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@jointed: I would be ok with it happening at a Sanders rally. I think those planned parenthood protestors are bat shit crazy and are terrible people but I wouldn't say they shouldn't be allowed to do it for example. I'm an actual believer in free speech. Things are often going to spiral out of control but it is still an important right.

Also I admire the fact they are trying to stop this lunatic from getting into power. I wish there were more like them in Germany before the rise of Hitler.

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@mark1974: But it's not freedom of speech though. Not if the purpose is to sabotage the initial event. It's not as if every political action automatically can be categorized as freedom of speech. This is a typical leftist cancerous idea. They know that right wingers in general have better things to do than ruining political events of the opposition en masse. The left is behaving in the exact same way in Europe and it's obvious that they've realized that this will never happened to them, so their claim of free speech will never come back and bite them in the ass...a little like when poor people want to tax the shit out of rich people.

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@jointed: A "leftist" idea? Suppressing speech with violence is not limited to a political ideology. Hell, people in Trump's own rallies have threatened and beaten protesters themselves.

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@indzman said:

Trump really gets Lots of Hate :)

Great men on the side of good usually do.

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@mattbbpl: The act of suppressing speech is not leftist. What I meant was that this specific strategy and the inevitable excuse is a leftist strategy taken directly from Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals: sabotage events of the opposition and then use their cries of free speech against them. The most dangerous thing about the left is that they're utterly convinced that they're the good guys. Most right wingers would, if they ever went through with something like this, at least consider it a "necessary evil". Leftists however think that it's 100 % morally correct.

...and I'm not even right wing.

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This youtube clip says it all

The Truth About the Anti-Trump Chicago Riot

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#83  Edited By mark1974
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@effec_tor: Some great spin there. For god's sake. How many of those images weren't even from Chicago last night. Brainwashing propoganda. Excellent. What other super intelligent things does infowars have to say? I wonder. They make a good living off of your ignorance and laugh all the way to the bank.

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Some crazy person in Ohio just grabbed Trump's leg. And people say all of the protesters and anti-Trump people are peaceful? Yeah right.

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@mark1974 said:
@ktseymour said:

The citizens don't matter in Chicago, only the corrupt elite

Yup lots to be proud of.

That's not what that crowd is screaming. What did your town do to stop this Fascist from getting into power?

It's not the Chicago government I'm proud of or the Chicago gangbangers. It's the other 2.7 million I love and am proud of.

This is the only thing you said I disagree with:

"People are about as friendly as pissed off pit vipers"

We are midwesterners and Chicagoans are a friendly down to earth breed. Tell me why you don't think so?

Last and only time I went to Chicago, I almost got into a fight at a pizza parlor because he cut in front of me. I almost got rear ended at least 244 times and successfully got rear ended twice within 2 weeks, once while I was parked and they didn't leave a note or nothing. No one can park worth a damn. I had some black guy hard shoulder me as I walked into my hotel. I encountered a waiter that basically ignored my table after we got our food...eventually, so he didn't get a tip.

WTF ever dude, I didn't think much of the people there. Granted there are tons of great people all over the world, just remember it's the jerks that get remembered the most.

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@effec_tor said:

But I thought they were all peaceful protesters?

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@JimB: The right to assemble and the right to protest is the right to freedom of speech.

The was organized by Move on .Org there were people there protesting that did not know why they were there only that tey were tyold to show up to protest. The left onwants free speech when it is their free speech. you see it every where. The left doesn't like Rush Limbach and they have been trying for years to get him off the air. When Aur America was on the air I just didn't listen to it. No one tried to get it off the air. It died on it's own because no one listened to it. That is the main difference when it comes to freedom of speech between the right and the left.

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@effec_tor said:

This youtube clip says it all

The Truth About the Anti-Trump Chicago Riot

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more George Soros funded radicals

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#90 Flubbbs
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that peaceful protest tho

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#91  Edited By Effec_Tor
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This kid alone has more guts expressing his freedom of speech than the astroturfers that rampaged Trumps rally and Chicago.

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Should anyone really be surprised by this?

I will choose to not take either side on this topic, for both sides are exhibiting the ugliness of our country; I will hold Trump accountable for all this violence, no matter which side is being a bigger problem.

It is Trump's fault, 100%. If it was not for Trump, violent protests like this would not be taking place, and that's the truth.

Why? Up until now, Trump has been using his rallies as a template to kicking up controversy. He was setting himself up by kicking hornets nest. Now consequentially protesters finally decided to retaliate when he's made frequent gestures expressing his desire to commit physical harm against protesters at his rallies, and supports his supporters in physical conduct against said protesters.

Anyone who thinks the protesters are not in the right to defy his right for free speech, consider he's already been doing it for months, consistently ejecting people from his rallies and often times the protesters were getting the lower end of the stick with psychical treatment and threats.

His prejudiced rhetoric is just one of many major assets why this happened, but it's his provoking words that ultimately inspired mass protesters to retaliate, and Trump is due for an unwelcome realization now that he's not nearly as liked by the country as he thinks he is.

He states endlessly in media how he has poll numbers and ethnic supporters all while the majority of the population have been crying fowl that that's far from the truth.

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#93  Edited By PSP107
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@pimphand_gamer: "just remember it's the jerks that get remembered the most."

And that's your problem.

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@Archangel3371 said:

As an aside I don't know how you guys handle it over there. The election process feels ridiculously too long, it's like everything is about politics 24/7 365.

This is what my wife said when she came to Merica, that's what my Canadian buddies call America lol

It's sad so many people in this country get wrapped up in something we really have no control over. It's funny how public opinion is formed in this country and others; all things put in place by think tanks, companies and government business's that use media, internet, papers..everything you get hold of to forge slowly over time, what people consider to be their opinion. You see it on here, you see it everywhere, people parroting what these people put in place over the course of months, years and even decades. So many will swear they are not swayed by any of this, but really, just look at the comments and so called thoughts posted by so many. People just repeat what they hear ...sad.

Until people unplug , nothing will change. Threads like these are the saddest , and makes me think that there is no hope for actual change.

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SJW suppressing speech rather than trying to argue with it.

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@servomaster: Arguing with Trump and his supporters is literally what they were out there doing. I don't think most would self identify as social justice warriors but I know that sounds more loaded and dramatic to you so we will keep it. Trump cancelled, he didn't have to. He was not forced to by anyone.

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@servomaster: Arguing with Trump and his supporters is literally what they were out there doing. I don't think most would self identify as social justice warriors but I know that sounds more loaded and dramatic to you so we will keep it. Trump cancelled, he didn't have to. He was not forced to by anyone.

He did that to protect his supporters because unlike the other candidates he actually cares about the people of America.

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#98  Edited By mark1974
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@Jaysonguy:He did that to protect himself. I see him screaming "get em out" quite often in this KC rally too. Where is our freedom of speech? There are a lot of people who condemn him and it's not the story he wants to tell. They are Americans too. Maybe not "real Americans" by your standards though.

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@mark1974 said:

@servomaster: Arguing with Trump and his supporters is literally what they were out there doing. I don't think most would self identify as social justice warriors but I know that sounds more loaded and dramatic to you so we will keep it. Trump cancelled, he didn't have to. He was not forced to by anyone.

I disagree, some of these left right groups are getting violent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GepGO6HqL3o

It's ok to be violent and suppress speach as long as it's against trump.

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Haha watching Trump rally on MSNBC live right now, all he's doing is shouting at protestors and having them kicked out.

He seems like angry Hitler up there. Just awful. If he wins time to leave this country.