Chinas time as the number 1 Superpower in the World will be short lived

seriously everyone talks about China being this big bad evil Empire that will rule the World but no one seems to be worried about India the very country that boosts more Honor Students than the U.S has kids also if current population growth trends continue India will surpass China's population eventually .

link is old but still but still pretty factual

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3575994.stm

There's more to being a superpower than population. India has too many problems to count. For one, their ridiculous population density. Attention India, one child law please.

seriously everyone talks about China being this big bad evil Empire that will rule the World but no one seems to be worried about India the very country that boosts more Honor Students than the U.S has kids also if current population growth trends continue India will surpass China's population eventually .

link is old but still but still pretty factual

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3575994.stm

snakes_codec

There's more to being a superpower than population. India has too many problems to count. For one, their ridiculous population density. Attention India, one child law please.

Chickity_China

like i said tho India does have more honor student than any other country on the planet which mean most of the worlds new corporations will probably be Indian owned not to mention the many companies there already buying off of many countries in the west mostly in Europe and whose to say India wont ever expand its territory they might decide one day to just squash Pakistan and take there land from them no one can really stop them can they .

[QUOTE="Chickity_China"]

There's more to being a superpower than population. India has too many problems to count. For one, their ridiculous population density. Attention India, one child law please.

snakes_codec

like i said tho India does have more honor student than any other country on the planet which mean most of the worlds new corporations will probably be Indian owned not to mention the many companies there already buying off of many countries in the west mostly in Europe and whose to say India want ever expand it territory they might decide one day to just squash Pakistan and take there land from them no one can really stop them can they .

honor students? According to what standards?

I like how the bleeding hearts talk about how life is hard for immigrants, about how "So and so from India used to be a doctor over there, but now he has to work at a gas station"...well, I am not going to sit here and assume that Indian schools are bad, but if he was really a doctor I'd imagine he'd be a doctor in the US as well...and definately not working at a gas station.

In either case, I am not too worried about new superpowers, the US being "dethroned", etc etc.. The British Empire perished and Britain is left, and theyre doing all right. The German Empire perished (twice, I suppose, if you count the third reich) and theyre doing all right. Napoleon's empire perished and France is doing, well...ok.

The thing about China though is their population...I dont know how they can sit back and be abused like that (miners, sweat shop workers, etc). I imagine if they did get ahead, their population might just revolt.

Really, the future for the west could be to sit back, and sip latte's as China and India go into cold war version 2.

Heck, we might make some money off the arms race and playing both sides.

[QUOTE="Chickity_China"]

There's more to being a superpower than population. India has too many problems to count. For one, their ridiculous population density. Attention India, one child law please.

snakes_codec

like i said tho India does have more honor student than any other country on the planet which mean most of the worlds new corporations will probably be Indian owned not to mention the many companies there already buying off of many countries in the west mostly in Europe and whose to say India want ever expand it territory they might decide one day to just squash Pakistan and take there land from them no one can really stop them can they .

Really, the future for the west could be to sit back, and sip latte's as China and India go into cold war version 2.

Heck, we might make some money off the arms race and playing both sides.

dercoo

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[QUOTE="Chickity_China"]

There's more to being a superpower than population. India has too many problems to count. For one, their ridiculous population density. Attention India, one child law please.

GodofEmpires

like i said tho India does have more honor student than any other country on the planet which mean most of the worlds new corporations will probably be Indian owned not to mention the many companies there already buying off of many countries in the west mostly in Europe and whose to say India want ever expand it territory they might decide one day to just squash Pakistan and take there land from them no one can really stop them can they .

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[QUOTE="Chickity_China"]

There's more to being a superpower than population. India has too many problems to count. For one, their ridiculous population density. Attention India, one child law please.

GodofEmpires

like i said tho India does have more honor student than any other country on the planet which mean most of the worlds new corporations will probably be Indian owned not to mention the many companies there already buying off of many countries in the west mostly in Europe and whose to say India want ever expand it territory they might decide one day to just squash Pakistan and take there land from them no one can really stop them can they .

i cant see many wanting to fight a country with 1.4 billion people .

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

Really, the future for the west could be to sit back, and sip latte's as China and India go into cold war version 2.

Heck, we might make some money off the arms race and playing both sides.

GodofEmpires

It is actually worse than the US and USSR after WW2.

For thousands of years both have a rivalry like relationship, and heck. China even invaded India in the 60's.

Really, the future for the west could be to sit back, and sip latte's as China and India go into cold war version 2.Heck, we might make some money off the arms race and playing both sides.dercoo

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

Really, the future for the west could be to sit back, and sip latte's as China and India go into cold war version 2.

Heck, we might make some money off the arms race and playing both sides.

GodofEmpires

India and China have a good political relationship right now however that may change in future .

For thousands of years both have a rivalry like relationship, and heck. China even invaded India in the 60's.dercoo

[QUOTE="dercoo"]For thousands of years both have a rivalry like relationship, and heck. China even invaded India in the 60's.Lonelynight

Yes that is why china was so "thrilled" about Obama's announcement in his support of India getting a permanent seat on the security council.

China really wants to be the sole super power of the region (any super power/sub super power wants that). India is a threat to this.

Not to mention India houses and honors a certain Tibetan "terrorist" to china.

[QUOTE="dercoo"]Really, the future for the west could be to sit back, and sip latte's as China and India go into cold war version 2.Heck, we might make some money off the arms race and playing both sides.Lonelynight

Premier Wen Jia Boa pretty much sums it up perfectly there both taking over slowly but Shirley the West is losing power by the day the balance of power is heading east weather we like it or not .

China really wants to be the sole super power of the region (any super power/sub super power wants that). India is a threat to this.dercoo

History disagrees....

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="dercoo"]For thousands of years both have a rivalry like relationship, and heck. China even invaded India in the 60's.dercoo

Yes that is why china was so "thrilled" about Obama's announcement in his support of India getting a permanent seat on the security council.

China really wants to be the sole super power of the region (any super power/sub super power wants that). India is a threat to this.

anyone whose been to India knows India thrives off of entrepreneurship there encouraged to barter for products making them tough negotiator also anyone who knows someone from India knows of there hard work ethic the difference between us and them is an Indian person will open there shop and will work from 7 till say 11 at night come rain or shine or even snow everyday of the year cant see the same commitment from people in rich countries .

History disagrees....dercoo

[QUOTE="dercoo"]History disagrees....Lonelynight

That is the point I was trying to say. Super powers have gone into pointless arms races and wars in order to be the dominating power spot.

That kind of hostility could turn up as both China and India will be huge economic and eventual military influence in the region.

honor students? According to what standards?

I like how the bleeding hearts talk about how life is hard for immigrants, about how "So and so from India used to be a doctor over there, but now he has to work at a gas station"...well, I am not going to sit here and assume that Indian schools are bad, but if he was really a doctor I'd imagine he'd be a doctor in the US as well...and definately not working at a gas station.

mrbojangles25

Institutions don't recognize certain qualifications from India, are you really questioning their intelligence :lol: ?

I'd like to see you go to a foreign country with nothing

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

honor students? According to what standards?

I like how the bleeding hearts talk about how life is hard for immigrants, about how "So and so from India used to be a doctor over there, but now he has to work at a gas station"...well, I am not going to sit here and assume that Indian schools are bad, but if he was really a doctor I'd imagine he'd be a doctor in the US as well...and definately not working at a gas station.

thelastguy

Institutions don't recognize certain qualifications from India, are you really questioning their intelligence :lol: ?

I'd like to see you go to a foreign country with nothing

no, not questioning their intelligence in the least. Just pointing out a potential fallacy in one's argument ("Oh, they got loads of honor students"). The Chocolate Shop accross the street from where I work has 40 awards, but do they mean anything? No, because theyre all awards from events in the city, and she is the only Chocolatier in town lol.

See where I am coming from?

That is the point I was trying to say. Super powers have gone into pointless arms races and wars in order to be the dominating power spot. That kind of hostility could turn up as both China and India will be huge economic and eventual military influence in the region.dercoo

seriously everyone talks about China being this big bad evil Empire that will rule the World but no one seems to be worried about India the very country that boosts more Honor Students than the U.S has kids also if current population growth trends continue India will surpass China's population eventually .

link is old but still but still pretty factual

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3575994.stm

snakes_codec

your premise is counter-factual, or at least presumptious on several points. To begin with, China's emergence to the superpower status is shadowed by too many uncertainties, such as the sustainability of its economic boom, income gap issues and a potentially volatile process of democratization. these issues, if not resolved, might destabilize China in foreseeable future. on the other hand, it's still premature to dismiss the American hegemonic order, or the American-led liberal order in general, as in terminal decline. it is an on-going debate, not an undisputed conclusion.

you seem to be of the opinion that population defines a country's power. this is only partly true in economic terms, as a larger population typically (but not invariably) means stronger industrial manufacturing sector and higher domestic spending power. but beyond that, this correlation hardly stands, and neither China nor India can hope (if they indeed do - also an ongoing debate) to become a superpower only on the basis of their enormous population. last but not least, while it's unquestionable that Indian students are highly competitive, it does not underline anything significant about India's future, as a large majority of these students are drawn to foreign firms/countries.

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seriously everyone talks about China being this big bad evil Empire that will rule the World but no one seems to be worried about India the very country that boosts more Honor Students than the U.S has kids also if current population growth trends continue India will surpass China's population eventually .

link is old but still but still pretty factual

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3575994.stm

Jinroh_basic

your premise is counter-factual, or at least presumptious on several points. To begin with, China's emergence to the superpower status is shadowed by too many uncertainties, such as the sustainability of its economic boom, income gap issues and a potentially volatile process of democratization. these issues, if not resolved, might destabilize China in foreseeable future. on the other hand, it's still premature to dismiss the American hegemonic order, or the American-led liberal order in general, as in terminal decline. it is an on-going debate, not an undisputed conclusion.

you seem to be of the opinion that population defines a country's power. this is only partly true in economic terms, as a larger population typically (but not invariably) means stronger industrial manufacturing sector and higher domestic spending power. but beyond that, this correlation hardly stands, and neither China nor India can hope (if they indeed do - also an ongoing debate) to become a superpower only on the basis of their enormous population. last but not least, while it's unquestionable that Indian students are highly competitive, it does not underline anything significant about India's future, as a large majority of these students are drawn to foreign firms/countries.

to some extent i agree with you however i think your not taking into account the number of businesses and Companies that are being brought out by Indian based businessmen sure there student might be lured away from India by more money but whose to say this company wont be owned by someone from India or China in the future what with the rate there buying up corporations these day off Western Countries .

[QUOTE="dercoo"]That is the point I was trying to say. Super powers have gone into pointless arms races and wars in order to be the dominating power spot. That kind of hostility could turn up as both China and India will be huge economic and eventual military influence in the region.Lonelynight

The Chinese government is organized, dedicated to a certain plan and know how to distribute and utilize resources. India on the other hand is pathetic. Look at the people there and how they live. GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]The Chinese government is organized, dedicated to a certain plan and know how to distribute and utilize resources. India on the other hand is pathetic. Look at the people there and how they live. F1_2004

[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]The Chinese government is organized, dedicated to a certain plan and know how to distribute and utilize resources. India on the other hand is pathetic. Look at the people there and how they live. GazaAli

Yes China is so great with its "great" mine safety polices,enslavement of Tibet, and its Winnebagos of death(mobile execution vehicles).:roll:

[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]The Chinese government is organized, dedicated to a certain plan and know how to distribute and utilize resources. India on the other hand is pathetic. Look at the people there and how they live. GazaAli

We have different ideas of "great countries". I do agree that China has some F***ed up things, but I still believe they are running an impressive system there.GazaAli

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depends on lots of factors, for one you have looked at population and student numbers, you could argue that thats not what made china huge in the 1st place, AFAIK india have stated that they arent going to pursue special economic zones or chase foreign investment in the same way china did or that they will play with their currency in the same way china do

its also 2 very different markets, if neither country tries to go balls deep in the others speciality then who's to say service based india will be able to compete with manufacturing based china?

china also have the huge head start and are currently expanding into african markets etc, id guess that india are at least 20 years behind and have russia and brazil to compete with at the same time

not saying it wont happen but i cant see india overtaking china in our lifetime

[QUOTE="Chickity_China"]

There's more to being a superpower than population. India has too many problems to count. For one, their ridiculous population density. Attention India, one child law please.

snakes_codec

like i said tho India does have more honor student than any other country on the planet which mean most of the worlds new corporations will probably be Indian owned not to mention the many companies there already buying off of many countries in the west mostly in Europe and whose to say India wont ever expand its territory they might decide one day to just squash Pakistan and take there land from them no one can really stop them can they .

honor students? According to what standards?

I like how the bleeding hearts talk about how life is hard for immigrants, about how "So and so from India used to be a doctor over there, but now he has to work at a gas station"...well, I am not going to sit here and assume that Indian schools are bad, but if he was really a doctor I'd imagine he'd be a doctor in the US as well...and definately not working at a gas station.

In either case, I am not too worried about new superpowers, the US being "dethroned", etc etc.. The British Empire perished and Britain is left, and theyre doing all right. The German Empire perished (twice, I suppose, if you count the third reich) and theyre doing all right. Napoleon's empire perished and France is doing, well...ok.

The thing about China though is their population...I dont know how they can sit back and be abused like that (miners, sweat shop workers, etc). I imagine if they did get ahead, their population might just revolt.

mrbojangles25

dercoo

[QUOTE="dercoo"]Lonelynight

You bring up a disgraceful past. I brought up a disgraceful present.

Slavery and Native american abuse stopped over 100+ years ago. China's still cracking Tibetan skulls as we speak.

Also LOL at bringing up the child US labor pic when your trying to defend China.

They even consider

a terrorist.

nuke em

dercoo