Chinese Struggling Less Than Americans.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not saying that the US doesn't have some problems now. But the arbitrary use of the word struggle doesn't say much. And in comparison to the Chinese...I don't see it as comparable. But the perception of struggle is subjective. And while some are on unemployment....that doesn't mean that all of the US feels the pinch. I'll believe it's a major problem when they get out and vote for/against policies. Apathy tends to mean most are happy with the status quo.KittyKat

mmm, yes and no. Most people figure "someone else will deal with it" in terms of policies... some think "nothing will ever change anyways... so why bother..." - people feel disfranchised with the current system. If things get bad enough, people will eventually rebel. Who knows where the breaking point will be though. Apathy is something people in power enjoy.

I'm not saying that the US doesn't have some problems now. But the arbitrary use of the word struggle doesn't say much. And in comparison to the Chinese...I don't see it as comparable. But the perception of struggle is subjective. And while some are on unemployment....that doesn't mean that all of the US feels the pinch. I'll believe it's a major problem when they get out and vote for/against policies. Apathy tends to mean most are happy with the status quo.LJS9502_basic

mmm, yes and no. Most people figure "someone else will deal with it" in terms of policies... some think "nothing will ever change anyways... so why bother..." - people feel disfranchised with the current system. If things get bad enough, people will eventually rebel. Who knows where the breaking point will be though. Apathy is something people in power enjoy.

[QUOTE="KittyKat"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not saying that the US doesn't have some problems now. But the arbitrary use of the word struggle doesn't say much. And in comparison to the Chinese...I don't see it as comparable. But the perception of struggle is subjective. And while some are on unemployment....that doesn't mean that all of the US feels the pinch. I'll believe it's a major problem when they get out and vote for/against policies. Apathy tends to mean most are happy with the status quo.LJS9502_basic

mmm, yes and no. Most people figure "someone else will deal with it" in terms of policies... some think "nothing will ever change anyways... so why bother..." - people feel disfranchised with the current system. If things get bad enough, people will eventually rebel. Who knows where the breaking point will be though. Apathy is something people in power enjoy.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KittyKat"]

mmm, yes and no. Most people figure "someone else will deal with it" in terms of policies... some think "nothing will ever change anyways... so why bother..." - people feel disfranchised with the current system. If things get bad enough, people will eventually rebel. Who knows where the breaking point will be though. Apathy is something people in power enjoy.

KittyKat

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KittyKat"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not saying that the US doesn't have some problems now. But the arbitrary use of the word struggle doesn't say much. And in comparison to the Chinese...I don't see it as comparable. But the perception of struggle is subjective. And while some are on unemployment....that doesn't mean that all of the US feels the pinch. I'll believe it's a major problem when they get out and vote for/against policies. Apathy tends to mean most are happy with the status quo.KittyKat

mmm, yes and no. Most people figure "someone else will deal with it" in terms of policies... some think "nothing will ever change anyways... so why bother..." - people feel disfranchised with the current system. If things get bad enough, people will eventually rebel. Who knows where the breaking point will be though. Apathy is something people in power enjoy.

Heh... Saudi Arabians have access to guns, it's a small country, they have cars and modern communications. A majority of Chinese people have NONE of that... so not only do they lack means, but they lack the means to even know that they should be organizing.

@LJS9502_basic: Not dire enough? Are you kidding man?! Do you think that humans have some magical instinct that tells them, even when they only have access to local media and live on farms or little towns in a HUGE country... that things are now messy enough to revolt? No... MOST people in China LITERALLY lack the power to effect change... it would have to be a revolt from the cities, without support from the countryside and cantons if at all. rofl...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam

As of June 2008, China relocated 1.24 million residents (ending with Gaoyang in Hubei Province), about 1.5% of the province's 60.3 million and Chongqing City's 31.44 million population. About 140,000 residents were relocated to other provinces.

Relocation was completed on July 22, 2008. Some 2007 reports claimed that Chongqing City will encourage an additional four million people to move away from the dam to the Chongqing metropolitan area by the year 2020. However, Chongqing City explained that the relocation is due to urbanization, rather than the dam, and people involved including other areas of Chongqing.

Allegedly, funds for relocating 13,000 farmers around Gaoyang disappeared after being sent to the local government, leaving residents without compensation.Wikipedia

The scale of that relocation... if 13,000 american farmers were relocated AND paid... you'd see a revolt in the region! In china, it's 13,000 who weren't paid out of 1.24 MILLION relocated! I'm sorry, but I don't think you understand the degree of isolation, and the scale, or the control that exists in China.

Heh... Saudi Arabians have access to guns, it's a small country, they have cars and modern communications. A majority of Chinese people have NONE of that... so not only do they lack means, but they lack the means to even know that they should be organizing.Frame_Dragger

Sorry, i'm thinking from a womens prospective here... in Saudi Arabia the oppressed are really the females, who, unlike men have no rights. They cannot even drive.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]Heh... Saudi Arabians have access to guns, it's a small country, they have cars and modern communications. A majority of Chinese people have NONE of that... so not only do they lack means, but they lack the means to even know that they should be organizing.KittyKat

Sorry, i'm thinking from a womens prospective here... in Saudi Arabia the oppressed are really the females, who, unlike men have no rights. They cannot even drive.

Revolts in China do work; as long it's not against the CCP

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-10-09/news/30259118_1_protests-land-seizures-wukan

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] That's possible, but without appealing to the reality that the same can be said of anything holding itself to the scientific method, it seems sound.Frame_Dragger

I said I'd ignore bait, not reasonable posts unrelated to that thread. As to what you're asking, no, I'm not a solipsist. What I'm saying is that if uncertainty due to incomplete knowledge invalidates study, then that is a universal problem. Unless there's something beyond the incomplete nature of human understanding, i.e. a specific issue or obvious gap in knolwedge, you just go wtih it. Remember a study doesn't tell you the answer to something... it provides results which lead in a direction... and could be wrong. That is already built into the scientific method, or to put it anohter popular way (used in physics), "All theories are wrong."

That's not to say that all theories are wrong on every point, but that a theory is by definition an approximation of nature, falling short of total accuracy. You expressed some appreciation of the model I'd created, so I felt I should point out that intrinsic doubts and the incomplete nature of human knowledge is always assumed in science... or it just isn't science.

As for human understanding, I am aware that people do just use what they have for the time being. "If isn't broken, don't fix it." However, I felt like the possibility of new knowledge overriding our current understanding things shouldn't be overlooked, which is why I posted. That's all.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

I'm not sure if you'll ignore this post or not, since in another thread I seem to have gotten you worked up over a difference in opinion, but I'll reply anyway. Perhaps there's someone else who would like to weigh in. So, are you saying that until that unknown knowledge comes along and challenges the fundamentals of how we humans scientifically study the universe, it's just a pipe dream? In other words, you're right until then?BranKetra

I said I'd ignore bait, not reasonable posts unrelated to that thread. As to what you're asking, no, I'm not a solipsist. What I'm saying is that if uncertainty due to incomplete knowledge invalidates study, then that is a universal problem. Unless there's something beyond the incomplete nature of human understanding, i.e. a specific issue or obvious gap in knolwedge, you just go wtih it. Remember a study doesn't tell you the answer to something... it provides results which lead in a direction... and could be wrong. That is already built into the scientific method, or to put it anohter popular way (used in physics), "All theories are wrong."

That's not to say that all theories are wrong on every point, but that a theory is by definition an approximation of nature, falling short of total accuracy. You expressed some appreciation of the model I'd created, so I felt I should point out that intrinsic doubts and the incomplete nature of human knowledge is always assumed in science... or it just isn't science.

As for human understanding, I am aware that people do just use what they have for the time being. "If isn't broken, don't fix it." However, I felt like the possibility of new knowledge overriding our current understanding things shouldn't be overlooked, which is why I posted. That's all.