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#251 Slepanandiaz
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[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"] Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.Decessus

You never answer my earlier question about the credibility of the Scientific Research Foundation. If it is one of the most prestigious scientific organizations in the world as you claim, then why is there not a Wikipedia article for it?

I don't know. :|

Maybe the people who write for Wikipedia don't like the SRF?

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[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"] Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.Decessus

You never answer my earlier question about the credibility of the Scientific Research Foundation. If it is one of the most prestigious scientific organizations in the world as you claim, then why is there not a Wikipedia article for it?

It was made up by the company to look like a legitimate organization that way they can easily sway very gullible and ignorant people.

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#253 Slepanandiaz
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Where is Silver_Dragon? He's always good with explaining my side.
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[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

creation is just plain wrong. The beliefs are unproven and medieval. It should be put into the same class as astrology and alchemy in science. It's simply psuedoscience that should stay away from science books.

Headbanger88

fixed;)

Har har har. :|

By the way, I'm not a creationist. I believe in the scientific theory of Intelligent Design.

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory. It is an attempt, by creationists, to validate their beliefs. Go read about it.

I have no problem discussing this stuff with you, but it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse. SURELY you must have heard about the debates of teaching intelligent design in school as science? (by the way, they're not.)

Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.

The Kansas schoolboard is a disgrace to the education system of America.

Why? Because they embrace not having a dogmatic curriculum?
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#255 jodamn
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[QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"] Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.Slepanandiaz

You never answer my earlier question about the credibility of the Scientific Research Foundation. If it is one of the most prestigious scientific organizations in the world as you claim, then why is there not a Wikipedia article for it?

I don't know. :|

Maybe the people who write for Wikipedia don't like the SRF?

Wikipedia is written by community consensus. What does that tell you? ;)

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#256 353535355353535
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[QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

creation is just plain wrong. The beliefs are unproven and medieval. It should be put into the same class as astrology and alchemy in science. It's simply psuedoscience that should stay away from science books.

Slepanandiaz

fixed;)

Har har har. :|

By the way, I'm not a creationist. I believe in the scientific theory of Intelligent Design.

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory. It is an attempt, by creationists, to validate their beliefs. Go read about it.

I have no problem discussing this stuff with you, but it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse. SURELY you must have heard about the debates of teaching intelligent design in school as science? (by the way, they're not.)

Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.

Intelligent design by its very definition is not science. when you try to incorporate the supernatural as a scientific explanation, it ceases to be science and enters the realm of pseudoscience.
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[QUOTE="Headbanger88"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

creation is just plain wrong. The beliefs are unproven and medieval. It should be put into the same class as astrology and alchemy in science. It's simply psuedoscience that should stay away from science books.

Slepanandiaz

fixed;)

Har har har. :|

By the way, I'm not a creationist. I believe in the scientific theory of Intelligent Design.

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory. It is an attempt, by creationists, to validate their beliefs. Go read about it.

I have no problem discussing this stuff with you, but it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse. SURELY you must have heard about the debates of teaching intelligent design in school as science? (by the way, they're not.)

Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.

The Kansas schoolboard is a disgrace to the education system of America.

Why? Because they embrace not having a dogmatic curriculum?

actually its because they dont teach evolution which is a cornerstone of biology.
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[QUOTE="Headbanger88"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

creation is just plain wrong. The beliefs are unproven and medieval. It should be put into the same class as astrology and alchemy in science. It's simply psuedoscience that should stay away from science books.

Slepanandiaz

fixed;)

Har har har. :|

By the way, I'm not a creationist. I believe in the scientific theory of Intelligent Design.

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory. It is an attempt, by creationists, to validate their beliefs. Go read about it.

I have no problem discussing this stuff with you, but it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse. SURELY you must have heard about the debates of teaching intelligent design in school as science? (by the way, they're not.)

Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.

The Kansas schoolboard is a disgrace to the education system of America.

Why? Because they embrace not having a dogmatic curriculum?

Even assuming your point that evolution is utterly false and all scientists blindly follow it on faith, isn't following religion without proof equally dogmatic?

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#259 Slepanandiaz
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[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"] Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.jodamn

You never answer my earlier question about the credibility of the Scientific Research Foundation. If it is one of the most prestigious scientific organizations in the world as you claim, then why is there not a Wikipedia article for it?

I don't know. :|

Maybe the people who write for Wikipedia don't like the SRF?

Wikipedia is written by community consensus. What does that tell you? ;)

Wait, so you're using the logic if it's more popular it's right?!

Then I guess Christianity is automtically right as well!!! :roll:

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[QUOTE="Headbanger88"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

creation is just plain wrong. The beliefs are unproven and medieval. It should be put into the same class as astrology and alchemy in science. It's simply psuedoscience that should stay away from science books.

Slepanandiaz

fixed;)

Har har har. :|

By the way, I'm not a creationist. I believe in the scientific theory of Intelligent Design.

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory. It is an attempt, by creationists, to validate their beliefs. Go read about it.

I have no problem discussing this stuff with you, but it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse. SURELY you must have heard about the debates of teaching intelligent design in school as science? (by the way, they're not.)

Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.

The Kansas schoolboard is a disgrace to the education system of America.

Why? Because they embrace not having a dogmatic curriculum?

They are teaching theology in place of science and saying it is science. They even had to rewrite their definition of science to teach intelligent design. It's sickening. If my kids were in this situation I would be taking the school board to court.

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#261 353535355353535
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[QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"] Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.Slepanandiaz

You never answer my earlier question about the credibility of the Scientific Research Foundation. If it is one of the most prestigious scientific organizations in the world as you claim, then why is there not a Wikipedia article for it?

I don't know. :|

Maybe the people who write for Wikipedia don't like the SRF?

Wikipedia is written by community consensus. What does that tell you? ;)

Wait, so you're using the logic if it's more popular it's right?!

Then I guess Christianity is automtically right as well!!! :roll:

the SRF cannot be "one of the most prestigious institutions". when I cant find an article about that, butI can find an article for answers in genesis, what does that tell you;)
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#262 jodamn
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[QUOTE="jodamn"]

Wikipedia is written by community consensus. What does that tell you? ;)

Slepanandiaz

Wait, so you're using the logic if it's more popular it's right?!

Then I guess Christianity is automtically right as well!!! :roll:

Except that, on Wikipedia, you need to cite your sources. ;)

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#263 Slepanandiaz
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[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="Headbanger88"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

creation is just plain wrong. The beliefs are unproven and medieval. It should be put into the same class as astrology and alchemy in science. It's simply psuedoscience that should stay away from science books.

jodamn

fixed;)

Har har har. :|

By the way, I'm not a creationist. I believe in the scientific theory of Intelligent Design.

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory. It is an attempt, by creationists, to validate their beliefs. Go read about it.

I have no problem discussing this stuff with you, but it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse. SURELY you must have heard about the debates of teaching intelligent design in school as science? (by the way, they're not.)

Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.

The Kansas schoolboard is a disgrace to the education system of America.

Why? Because they embrace not having a dogmatic curriculum?

Even assuming your point that evolution is utterly false and all scientists blindly follow it on faith, isn't following religion without proof equally dogmatic?

Teaching only one theory is dogma. Teaching two (Intelligent Design and Evolution) is perfectly fine.
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#264 Slepanandiaz
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[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="Headbanger88"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

creation is just plain wrong. The beliefs are unproven and medieval. It should be put into the same class as astrology and alchemy in science. It's simply psuedoscience that should stay away from science books.

353535355353535

fixed;)

Har har har. :|

By the way, I'm not a creationist. I believe in the scientific theory of Intelligent Design.

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory. It is an attempt, by creationists, to validate their beliefs. Go read about it.

I have no problem discussing this stuff with you, but it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse. SURELY you must have heard about the debates of teaching intelligent design in school as science? (by the way, they're not.)

Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.

The Kansas schoolboard is a disgrace to the education system of America.

Why? Because they embrace not having a dogmatic curriculum?

actually its because they dont teach evolution which is a cornerstone of biology.

They teach both. Please, before arguing, get your facts straight. ;)
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[QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="Headbanger88"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

creation is just plain wrong. The beliefs are unproven and medieval. It should be put into the same class as astrology and alchemy in science. It's simply psuedoscience that should stay away from science books.

Slepanandiaz

fixed;)

Har har har. :|

By the way, I'm not a creationist. I believe in the scientific theory of Intelligent Design.

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory. It is an attempt, by creationists, to validate their beliefs. Go read about it.

I have no problem discussing this stuff with you, but it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse. SURELY you must have heard about the debates of teaching intelligent design in school as science? (by the way, they're not.)

Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.

The Kansas schoolboard is a disgrace to the education system of America.

Why? Because they embrace not having a dogmatic curriculum?

Even assuming your point that evolution is utterly false and all scientists blindly follow it on faith, isn't following religion without proof equally dogmatic?

Teaching only one theory is dogma. Teaching two (Intelligent Design and Evolution) is perfectly fine.

too bad intelligent design isn't a theory:(
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#266 jodamn
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I currently believe the theory of Evolution, but if I am showed enough impartial data to suggest that it isn't true, then I will stop believing it.

Can you say the same about your belief in Intelligent Design?

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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="Headbanger88"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

creation is just plain wrong. The beliefs are unproven and medieval. It should be put into the same class as astrology and alchemy in science. It's simply psuedoscience that should stay away from science books.

Slepanandiaz

fixed;)

Har har har. :|

By the way, I'm not a creationist. I believe in the scientific theory of Intelligent Design.

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory. It is an attempt, by creationists, to validate their beliefs. Go read about it.

I have no problem discussing this stuff with you, but it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse. SURELY you must have heard about the debates of teaching intelligent design in school as science? (by the way, they're not.)

Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.

The Kansas schoolboard is a disgrace to the education system of America.

Why? Because they embrace not having a dogmatic curriculum?

actually its because they dont teach evolution which is a cornerstone of biology.

They teach both. Please, before arguing, get your facts straight. ;)

I heard on the history channel that it illegal to teach evolution in public schools in kansas
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[QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="Headbanger88"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

creation is just plain wrong. The beliefs are unproven and medieval. It should be put into the same class as astrology and alchemy in science. It's simply psuedoscience that should stay away from science books.

Slepanandiaz

fixed;)

Har har har. :|

By the way, I'm not a creationist. I believe in the scientific theory of Intelligent Design.

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory. It is an attempt, by creationists, to validate their beliefs. Go read about it.

I have no problem discussing this stuff with you, but it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse. SURELY you must have heard about the debates of teaching intelligent design in school as science? (by the way, they're not.)

Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.

The Kansas schoolboard is a disgrace to the education system of America.

Why? Because they embrace not having a dogmatic curriculum?

Even assuming your point that evolution is utterly false and all scientists blindly follow it on faith, isn't following religion without proof equally dogmatic?

Teaching only one theory is dogma. Teaching two (Intelligent Design and Evolution) is perfectly fine.

Not if one is purely theological and has no scientific validity whatsoever.Might as well start teaching the world is going to end in 2012 as well.

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I currently believe the theory of Evolution, but if I am showed enough impartial data to suggest that it isn't true, then I will stop believing it.

Can you say the same about your belief in Intelligent Design?

jodamn
may I say OWNED!!!!
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[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="Headbanger88"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

creation is just plain wrong. The beliefs are unproven and medieval. It should be put into the same class as astrology and alchemy in science. It's simply psuedoscience that should stay away from science books.

353535355353535

fixed;)

Har har har. :|

By the way, I'm not a creationist. I believe in the scientific theory of Intelligent Design.

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory. It is an attempt, by creationists, to validate their beliefs. Go read about it.

I have no problem discussing this stuff with you, but it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse. SURELY you must have heard about the debates of teaching intelligent design in school as science? (by the way, they're not.)

Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.

The Kansas schoolboard is a disgrace to the education system of America.

Why? Because they embrace not having a dogmatic curriculum?

actually its because they dont teach evolution which is a cornerstone of biology.

They teach both. Please, before arguing, get your facts straight. ;)

I heard on the history channel that it illegal to teach evolution in public schools in kansas

In like the 30s.
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[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="Headbanger88"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

creation is just plain wrong. The beliefs are unproven and medieval. It should be put into the same class as astrology and alchemy in science. It's simply psuedoscience that should stay away from science books.

Headbanger88

fixed;)

Har har har. :|

By the way, I'm not a creationist. I believe in the scientific theory of Intelligent Design.

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory. It is an attempt, by creationists, to validate their beliefs. Go read about it.

I have no problem discussing this stuff with you, but it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse. SURELY you must have heard about the debates of teaching intelligent design in school as science? (by the way, they're not.)

Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.

The Kansas schoolboard is a disgrace to the education system of America.

Why? Because they embrace not having a dogmatic curriculum?

Even assuming your point that evolution is utterly false and all scientists blindly follow it on faith, isn't following religion without proof equally dogmatic?

Teaching only one theory is dogma. Teaching two (Intelligent Design and Evolution) is perfectly fine.

Not if one is purely theological and has no scientific validity whatsoever.Might as well start teaching the world is going to end in 2012 as well.

no, it is going to end in 2023. 2+0+2+3 is 7. close enough

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[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"] Where I live they do. The Kansas School Board decided that Intelligent Design must be taught, since it is a scientific theory. Hopefully the rest of the country decides to do the right thing as well.Slepanandiaz

You never answer my earlier question about the credibility of the Scientific Research Foundation. If it is one of the most prestigious scientific organizations in the world as you claim, then why is there not a Wikipedia article for it?

I don't know. :|

Maybe the people who write for Wikipedia don't like the SRF?

I think the better answer would be that the SRF really isn't as prestigious as you claim.

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#273 Slepanandiaz
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I currently believe the theory of Evolution, but if I am showed enough impartial data to suggest that it isn't true, then I will stop believing it.

Can you say the same about your belief in Intelligent Design?

jodamn
Yes, yes I could. But no one has proved to me another theory is correct or that ID is wrong.
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#274 353535355353535
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[QUOTE="jodamn"]

I currently believe the theory of Evolution, but if I am showed enough impartial data to suggest that it isn't true, then I will stop believing it.

Can you say the same about your belief in Intelligent Design?

Slepanandiaz
Yes, yes I could. But no one has proved to me another theory is correct or that ID is wrong.

actually, the theory of evolution is true. we've seen evolution, micro and macro evolution
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#275 Slepanandiaz
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[QUOTE="jodamn"]

I currently believe the theory of Evolution, but if I am showed enough impartial data to suggest that it isn't true, then I will stop believing it.

Can you say the same about your belief in Intelligent Design?

353535355353535

may I say OWNED!!!!

I do not not give you permission to used the "OWNED" card yet.

And people who things like that aren't as smart as they think.

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[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="jodamn"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

The Kansas schoolboard is a disgrace to the education system of America.

Headbanger88

Why? Because they embrace not having a dogmatic curriculum?

actually its because they dont teach evolution which is a cornerstone of biology.

They teach both. Please, before arguing, get your facts straight. ;)

I heard on the history channel that it illegal to teach evolution in public schools in kansas

In like the 30s.

You're about 70 years off, try 1999 http://www.cnn.com/US/9908/12/kansas.evolution.flap/

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#277 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="jodamn"]

I currently believe the theory of Evolution, but if I am showed enough impartial data to suggest that it isn't true, then I will stop believing it.

Can you say the same about your belief in Intelligent Design?

Slepanandiaz

Yes, yes I could. But no one has proved to me another theory is correct or that ID is wrong.

Through scientific ideas, the fact ID has no evidence means it does not exist what so ever and is a bogus conclusion in the sceintific community.. Evolution was found and scrutinized through evidence which it was formed and reworked quite a few times.. ID was formed by bias beliefs with no evidence what so ever to back it up.

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#278 diz360
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[QUOTE="jodamn"]

I currently believe the theory of Evolution, but if I am showed enough impartial data to suggest that it isn't true, then I will stop believing it.

Can you say the same about your belief in Intelligent Design?

Slepanandiaz

Yes, yes I could. But no one has proved to me another theory is correct or that ID is wrong.

Positive proof is the burden. Looking to disprove something relies on having positive proof to the contrary. Its a benefit of the belief in evolution.

You should go searching for proof independently, rather than rely on people bringing it to you. Else your mind may be closed to possibilities you won't even have the chance to consider.

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#279 Decessus
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Wait, so you're using the logic if it's more popular it's right?!

Then I guess Christianity is automtically right as well!!! :roll:

Slepanandiaz

No, I don't think you understand how Wikipedia works.

Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia that anybody can edit. Currently, there are almost 2,000,000 articles in English on the website.

If the SRF was as prestigious as you claimed it to be, then it would most certainly have a page dedicated for it on Wikipedia. Since it does not, then your claim is bogus.

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#280 Slepanandiaz
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I got to go now, guys.

By the way, my original post was a joke. I just thought I would continue the argument. It's been fun. :lol:

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#281 353535355353535
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I got to go now, guys.

By the way, my original post was a joke. I just thought I would continue the argument. It's been fun. :lol:

Slepanandiaz
you seemed pretty serious
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#282 scary_snake
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i think this thread has got to a point where no one can win or lose, let it die
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#283 353535355353535
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i think this thread has got to a point where no one can win or lose, let it diescary_snake
slepanandiaz was joking
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#284 Slepanandiaz
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[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

I got to go now, guys.

By the way, my original post was a joke. I just thought I would continue the argument. It's been fun. :lol:

353535355353535
you seemed pretty serious

I'm good at that. :P
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#285 scary_snake
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[QUOTE="scary_snake"]i think this thread has got to a point where no one can win or lose, let it die353535355353535
slepanandiaz was joking

sure........

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#286 Insane00
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there are some contamination issues, but c'mon, C14 dating has to be reliable right? i mean we use it all the time to date fossils. also, potassium argon is very useful in dating rocks. 353535355353535

First all I was trying to do was show one of the places where creationists get their arguement for radiomentric inaccuracy. Anyone that does a little research however will find that it can quite easily be ammended. And it does not give excuses for a belief in a 10000 year old earth.

Well, that's a good question. Fifty years ago, it was less reliable than it is today. Back then whatever date was found was thought as the actual date. Now, these dates must be calculated. So for instance if we get a C14 dat of say, 2000 + -150 ybp (years before present), one runs that date through an online program (every archaeologist on the planet does this) which will spit out a date of say, 2500 ybp + - 175. But if one puts in say 10,000 + - 350 ybp one could get a date ranging from 12000 to 14000 ybp, depending on the specific data involved. I could explain in more detail, but I think I'd need a lot mose space, picture, and graphs.

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#287 Decessus
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i think this thread has got to a point where no one can win or lose, let it diescary_snake

It's not about winning or losing. At least it isn't for me. I just enjoy reading other people's perspective, even if I don't agree with them.

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[QUOTE="scary_snake"]i think this thread has got to a point where no one can win or lose, let it dieDecessus

It's not about winning or losing. At least it isn't for me. I just enjoy reading other people's perspective, even if I don't agree with them.

not for me either, but some people want to see their side win

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#289 Insane00
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Long Live the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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#290 Slepanandiaz
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Long Live the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Insane00
IPU > FSM
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#291 scary_snake
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Long Live the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Insane00

how did we get to taling about flying spaghetti monsters??!:P

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#292 Decessus
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[QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="scary_snake"]i think this thread has got to a point where no one can win or lose, let it diescary_snake

It's not about winning or losing. At least it isn't for me. I just enjoy reading other people's perspective, even if I don't agree with them.

not for me either, but some people want to see their side win

Some people are dumb. 8) That was probably inappropriate, huh?

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#293 jodamn
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[QUOTE="jodamn"]

I currently believe the theory of Evolution, but if I am showed enough impartial data to suggest that it isn't true, then I will stop believing it.

Can you say the same about your belief in Intelligent Design?

Slepanandiaz

Yes, yes I could. But no one has proved to me another theory is correct or that ID is wrong.

Why does, for you, Intelligent Design get the benefit of the doubt? You're taking an unproven idea as an axiom - why not start with nothing, and then look at the evidence?

edit : oops, I guess I'm too late. :P

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[QUOTE="scary_snake"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="scary_snake"]i think this thread has got to a point where no one can win or lose, let it dieDecessus

It's not about winning or losing. At least it isn't for me. I just enjoy reading other people's perspective, even if I don't agree with them.

not for me either, but some people want to see their side win

Some people are dumb. 8) That was probably inappropriate, huh?

we will know if the mods come :P

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#295 jealentus
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My thoughts are you should come up with an original topic. No offense, but your intentions are not worth more than wanting a high post count. If I'm wrong, I appologize.NathanHawkins

Yeah seriousley dude!!

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#296 Headbanger88
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I got to go now, guys.

By the way, my original post was a joke. I just thought I would continue the argument. It's been fun. :lol:

Slepanandiaz

It seems to me like we got an:

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#297 Slepanandiaz
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[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"]

I got to go now, guys.

By the way, my original post was a joke. I just thought I would continue the argument. It's been fun. :lol:

Headbanger88

It seems to me like we got an:

Indeed.
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#298 ab1205
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[QUOTE="andyb1205"][QUOTE="crimson90"]

The topic title makes no sense and is quite deceiving (since both things are not contradictory and are compatible), therefore the topic is flawed.

As is often said, the Bible shows us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go, which means do not look to the Bible for factual scientific information since it was written in an age and place where science was barely developed, and was not intended to state an account of the scientific creation of the universe. If the Bible is truely inspired by God, then it is likely that God explained creation in a simple way so that those of ancient times who had no knowledge of advanced science or theories such as evolution could understand creation in an easy to understand and personal way.

Modern science, I believe, is just leading us to a deeper account of the specifics of the way God created man, specifics which people 2000 years ago were not capable of knowing or understanding.

crimson90

If God exists...

God is God. He MADE SCIENCE. The choice of words in the Bible is so simple that anyone could have wrote it, and the words can be interpreted in any way. Some of it is from the original, but most of it is not.

In Koran (I'm not Muslim but this is fascinating) the details are clearly there. God knows everything, because He's the creator. You have stuff in the Koran that we are only knowing today.

You can say that the metaphors can be interpreted into anything, but what about the metaphors that are actually literal, such as "iron was sent down to Earth". We know that iron must have came from outer space into Earth. The first iron used by mankind, far back in prehistory, came from meteors.

well the point i was trying to make was that the Bible was not intended to serve as a scientific book like you physics and chemistry school book, it was meant to simply and easily explain God and how he created man in a manner that ancient people would understand. Saying that since the Bible does not include evolution in it and that thus Christianity is false is a wrong claim to make, since the Bible was not meant to serve as a scientific textbook book (it was meant to tell the story of God and man, not be a scientific book). I could say that since quantum mechanics is not included in the Bible, Qu'ran, or any other religoius text, that all those religions are worng, but that would be an equally false claim.

Also, when you say that the words are so simple they could be translated in any way, that is not true because it is possible to understand the direct meaning of the texsts of the Bible through careful study of the author, time period, literary **** and other things on each book. Confusion arrised when one does not undertsand compeltely the context in which each book of the Bible was written. I'm not a Muslim, but I am guessing that both the Bible and the Qu'ran work this way, and that you have to have a thorough background in history and the culture of the time to understand both books.

Explain to me why the Bible says the Earth is flat.

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#299 mig_killer2
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there is no evidence that proves creation, or even counters evolution.

I'd have to say taht I believe in evolution:|

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#300 ab1205
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Oh man...Bolvar you are funny.

You can't spell, so I'm guessing you can't be too bright.

Islam also says Jesus was born miraculusly.

You just said it. The bible is a historical document written by man and changed over time, and is not the words of God, unless God did not know anything, and was one big bully. Wait...this is how Richard Dawkins names him.

Did you read my post or not? I'll put it back here until you read it.

This is not an islam vs christianity post, only to merely point out that the bible should not be taken seriously.

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What's said in the Bible is to be taken with a grain of salt. Unlike the Qur'an, there's no proof that the Bible today is the Bible revealed to Jesus (upon him be peace) the messiah, son of Mary. The bible was not written down during his life. The 'Q document' was only compiled well after his death. Furthermore, the oldest whole copies of the gospel that exist today still date several hundreds of years after the death of the Jesus (upon him be peace.) Furthermore again, not only do these copies contradict each other, they also contradict every bible that exists today. So forget about having it in its original Aramaic language. The NIV or KJV are no Q documents. We have no idea what proportion of the Bible today is true and what is false. But God does not forsake his creation - never.

This is why we have the Qur'an. The verses of the Qur'an were written down immediately after they were revealed to the Prophet (peace be upon him) by any one of 40 appointed trusted scribes. Between these and the oldest full copies of the Quran there is only one 'link Quran' - the compilation, checking and authentication of which is well documented. The two oldest full copies of the Qur'an date back 14 centuries to less than 20 years after the death of the Prophet. These copies are not only identical to each other but identical to each and every Qur'an that exists today - to the letter. Oh, and yep, they're both in Arabic of course.

This is a HUGE deal when it comes to things like prophecies. The prophecies in the Bible are somewhat compelling and give some indication that at least some parts of the book are likely of divine source (as Muslims do believe - still, no one knows which parts or even which proportion of the book remains of divine source after these millenia.) The Qur'an has prophecies as well which prove its divine source, but in this case we know that every single letter of the Qur'an is still exactly what was revealed to the Prophet. The whole book is truth. Furthermore, almost all - the exceptions being the Day of Judgment and a few of the events that are to occur slightly before it - of these prophecies have come true and are accurate. The prophecies are also very specific. Even the most persistent cynics in denial can't go with the usual "oh, well, these prophecies were made up afterwards and added to the book, yeah" argument because as you know now the authenticity of the Quran is highly verified.

Still, I won't dwell on prophecies. When God wants to give a sign to people he gives them one they understand and respect. During Moses' (upon him be peace) time they respected magic; God gave Moses a hand that would glow after being put on his chest and a stick that would turn into a snake when thrown to the ground (oh, it parted the seas... that too.) During Jesus' (upon him be peace) time medicine was starting to be big; God made Jesus cure the lepers and raise the dead. During Muhammad's (peace be upon him) time the Arabs respected mastery of poetry and Arabic language; the Qur'an was a most impossibly excellent and uncompromisingly beautiful combination of poetry and prose rhetoric the likes of which they could never have imagined let alone have ever seen or heard. Now, what do people of today respect?

- SCIENCE

Muhammad (peace be upon him) is not with us anymore, but God always will be and He has preserved the Qur'an Muhammad (peace be upon him) taught us and He created it prepared for times that would come. The Quran contains multitudes of references to scientific facts that have only been discovered in the last century - and they are far more compelling than those found in the bible. It's amazing that a document proven to be 1400 years old tells of information of this nature without making even a single subtle mistake or blunder. It was impossible for any man in any position in that century - in that millennia - to know this much let alone an Arab merchant that was so completely unschooled and didn't even know how to read or write. The bible has some interesting stuff, which is expected, but this stuff is much more compelling - especially when combined with the proven authenticity of the Quran. The Big-Bang theory, embryological development, expanding universe, origin of stars and planets - it's all there. What I'm going to mention is just the top of it. Do follow the links I give as they really show how subtle yet detailed and perfect the statements and word choice in the Qur'an is and also give more examples.

"Cosmic 'Smoke'"
http://www.55a.net/eng/dust1.htm
Sura Al-Dhareyat - "Drivers of the Wind", verse 47:
"Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly."
How does a 7th century Arab man know stars and planets are formed by Nebulas?
Sura Al-Anbeyaa (The prophets) -verse 30:
"Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we have made everything living. Will they not then believe?"
How does a 7th century Arab man know about the Big Bang and the fact that the earliest known forms of life on the planet were from the ocean?
Sura Al-Dhareyat verse 47:
"We have built the heaven with might, and We will continue to expand it."
How does a 7th century Arab man know about the expanding universe theory?

Embryology
http://www.55a.net/eng/2b1.htm
(The Qur'an, 96:1-3)
"Recite: In the name of your Lord Who created man from 'Alaq'"
The human embryo clings to the wall of the uterus, is leach like since it derives all its nutrients from its mother and is like congealed blood in that it has some blood but that blood is stagnant.
'Alaq is an Arabic word that means "a thing that that clings to some place." The word is also used to refer to leeches. It also means a clot or congealed blood. A word with three meanings fulfills all its meanings about one of the earliest stages in human development in a 1400 year old document.

Referring to Mointains as pegs.
http://www.55a.net/eng/25.htm
"Have we not made the earth as a wide expanse, and the mountains as pegs?" (Quran 78: 6-7)
A peg has the majority of its mass under a surface and stabilizes something. It was only finally theorized in 1865 that the vast majority of a mountain's mass was actually underground. So how do mountains stabilize anything?
"He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you." (Quran 3: 10)
It's now known starting in the 60s that mountains play a role in halting plate tectonic movements. How could anyone back then have gone about figuring about plate tectonics, much less how they are stopped?

Let me tell you what the Arabs believed at the time. They believed the sky was a giant frikkin' DOME. Yeah, why not. They thought there were stars because there were holes in the dome and there was a big fire outside where light came from. The sky was supposedly blue 'cus there was a big ocean outside (rain would happen when there was a leak.) So they lived under this wicked underwater revolving dome with this crazy fire on top of it all. We don't know what it was like back then. Did they actually believe that stuff? Maybe - maybe not - but that was really the best they could come up with. How could a common unlettered unschooled Arab merchant suddenly figure it all out? I don't need to spell it out for you that it must have instead been from a divine being.

I really recommend visiting this site: http://www.55a.net/eng/index.htmbecause I haven't mentioned A LOT of stuff. The site goes into more science stuff (both on stuff I mentioned and stuff I didn't), some mathematical stuff and some prophecies. But even that site doesn't have it all because there's stuff on calculating the speed of light with the Quran, stages of the Big Bang, a whole bunch of stuff I haven't mentioned and probably a whole bunch of stuff I haven't even seen yet.

Have I gotten into signs in the Hadith (narrations about the prophet)? Like the one where women will start wearing clothes as a second skin (skin tight clothing you see girls wearing today) and make their hair like the humps of a camel (curling their hair.) Or how about the one where the prophet says that one of signs of coming of the Day of Judgment is that everybody will be walking around in the streets with musical instruments on their head dancing to the music all the while. This was the oddest thing to the Arab: how is everybody going to afford multiple instruments, how are they going to carry it on the heads, how are they going dance with this stuff on their head, why would they do this embarrassing thing in the streets, and wouldn't it get to loud to appreciate the music with everyone doing it? Nope. iPod. (not so crazy anymore eh?)

I could go on and on but this post is long and there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of signs that would take forever for me to write. I made this post not to demoralize anyone but because: 1. I don't like falsehood and 2. Like many, I don't hate people enough to want them become evil or anything and go to the Hellfire. So take this as a fair warning which is your right over me as fellow human beings. Islam is very real. Hell is very real. Heaven is very real. Take time to study Islam, there are a lot of misconceptions.

La ilaha ilallah muhammadur rasulallah
"There is none worthy of worshipbut God and Muhammad is his messenger."

If I've written anything good it's from God so praise Him. If I've written anything wrong it's from me so please forgive me.

andyb1205

no one read this post yet and you guys are still argueing over the Bible being 100% true, such as earth is flat?