Christians...I have a question

I am asking you Christians a question because my girlfriend says i have to give 10 percent of my income to the churches weekly cause the bible says so...but in the new testament it doesnt say 10 percent anymore it says give what you can to the lord, but the churches like to revert back to the old testament when it comes to the 10 percent..i feel its a bit corrupt...but the bible also says things like this

To burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9),
To sell your daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7,
You're not allowed contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24),
You may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations.Lev. (25:44),
You must put to death anyone who works on the sabbath (Exodus 35:2),
Eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10),
You may not approach the altar of God if you have a defect in your sight (Lev 21:20),
Trimming your hair, including the hair around the temples, is expressly forbidden (Lev 19:27)
Touching the skin of a dead pig makes you unclean (Lev 11:6-8)
You can't plant two different crops in the same field or wear garments made of two different kinds of thread, punishable by stoning to death (Lev 19:19)
You can't sleep with your in-laws, punishable by burning at the stake (Lev. 20:14)

Yeeeeeah, I'm pretty sure nobody really thinks of "10 percent," just "give what you can give."PannicAtack

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Yeeeeeah, I'm pretty sure nobody really thinks of "10 percent," just "give what you can give."cee1gee

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Yeeeeeah, I'm pretty sure nobody really thinks of "10 percent," just "give what you can give."cee1gee

No, you don't have to give any specific amount of money to a church.

i just feel its a bit corrupt because mostly all the pastors i ran into drive mercedes benz while im driving around in a 1994 cadillac, are they even giving it to the poor or are they funding their church?cee1gee

How many pastors have your run into, exactly? And I mean ones that aren't on television. As to your second statement, that depends on the focus of the church. Assisting the poor is not the primary focus of most churches.

[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Yeeeeeah, I'm pretty sure nobody really thinks of "10 percent," just "give what you can give."Seajack

Yeeeeeah, I'm pretty sure nobody really thinks of "10 percent," just "give what you can give."PannicAtack

My parents give 10% every time they get paid. Before taxes. And I don't know the answer to your question. But this thread is just to cause some religious debate thread that will last for pages.

[QUOTE="Seajack"][QUOTE="cee1gee"] i just feel its a bit corrupt because mostly all the pastors i ran into drive mercedes benz while im driving around in a 1994 cadillac, are they even giving it to the poor or are they funding their church?cee1gee

I'm pretty sure churches have to make expense reports, so you can see what they're spending their money on. You just never bothered to find out.

[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="Seajack"] If you wanted to say that the church is corrupt, just nut up and say it. cain006

I'm pretty sure churches have to make expense reports, so you can see what they're spending their money on. You just never bothered to find out.

It's the standard... you SHOULD give more like 50% but :P I only give 10% and many others don't anyway. No one gives more than 50% as far as I know.

i just feel its a bit corrupt because mostly all the pastors i ran into drive mercedes benz while im driving around in a 1994 cadillac, are they even giving it to the poor or are they funding their church?

cee1gee

It usually funds the church unless they said that they would donate some % of donations to some org.

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"] well i dont have full proof to call them corrupt because i cant physically see what they are doing with the moneycee1gee

I'm pretty sure churches have to make expense reports, so you can see what they're spending their money on. You just never bothered to find out.

Yes, she wants a christian man. And my church has a good report they show it every year. Churches are EXPENISVE rent, communion, sound equipment, it's not cheap. Though I'm sure many are corrupt.

EDIT: God would want you to give even with the fear of corruption, it's the heart not the facts or actuallity. He wants you to show you care.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Yeeeeeah, I'm pretty sure nobody really thinks of "10 percent," just "give what you can give."cain006

But this thread is just to cause some religious debate thread that will last for pages.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Yeeeeeah, I'm pretty sure nobody really thinks of "10 percent," just "give what you can give."cee1gee

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"] well i dont have full proof to call them corrupt because i cant physically see what they are doing with the moneycee1gee

I'm pretty sure churches have to make expense reports, so you can see what they're spending their money on. You just never bothered to find out.

No. Im fairly religious as in I believe in God but a lot of the church activities is for the interests of the church. If you want to feel good donate that money to japan. If your girlfriend doesnt approve you need to have a talk with her because this type of difference in opinions can be trouble.

[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="cain006"]

I'm pretty sure churches have to make expense reports, so you can see what they're spending their money on. You just never bothered to find out.

dunl12496

Yes, she wants a christian man. And my church has a good report they show it every year. Churches are EXPENISVE rent, communion, sound equipment, it's not cheap. Though I'm sure many are corrupt.

EDIT: God would want you to give even with the fear of corruption, it's the heart not the facts or actuallity. He wants you to show you care.

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"] i have a question, my girlfriend said she cant get married to me if i dont give 10 percent, does that make sense at allcee1gee

Yes, she wants a christian man. And my church has a good report they show it every year. Churches are EXPENISVE rent, communion, sound equipment, it's not cheap. Though I'm sure many are corrupt.

EDIT: God would want you to give even with the fear of corruption, it's the heart not the facts or actuallity. He wants you to show you care.

And it doesn't have to be directly to the church. Taxes and charities do "count."

And it doesn't have to be directly to the church. Taxes and charities do "count."

Chutebox

You mean some Christian groups like to cherry pick between the new and old testament based on when it suits them? Weird....except not, because It seems to happen a lot.

But honestly, give whatever amount you want. WANT being the key word here. Which would be nothing in my case, but hey that's just me. But see that's the catch with the basic fundamentals of virtually every Christian denomination. They tend to value intent over the action itself. So if you don't WANT to give any money, but do it just because you feel pressured to do so, then doesn't it sort of defeat the entire purpose and spirit of it?

well, wayyyyy back when before jesus i think, the WHOLE church was corrupt with spending and DONT even get me started with heresy!

Give because you love God and want to give back. Start with what you can and gradually move up. 10% is a worthy goal.

so does eating a bacon roll mean im unclean. as my lips touched the bacon. does that count. im i unclean

so does eating a bacon roll mean im unclean. as my lips touched the bacon. does that count. im i unclean

dog_dirt

Jesus fulfilled the Law and established the New Covenant. So we are not bound by those Old Testament laws.

You are supossed to give 10% of your income, in what is called a tithe.

If you cant do this, just give what you can give, but if you have a large income, its better to give 10% away then spend it on personal possesions.

In this day and age you have to look at Christianity from a diffrent view. Some churches are out for just the money and will con you in any way to

get it. You DO NOT have to give money to the church, charities, donations or just helping your friend in time of need count as "giving back to god."

Your best bet is to find a church that dose note emphasizegiving money, and "growing" as their sole purpose. I have ran into alot of those and its just sad.

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so does eating a bacon roll mean im unclean. as my lips touched the bacon. does that count. im i unclean

J-man45

Jesus fulfilled the Law and established the New Covenant. So we are not bound by those Old Testament laws.

Give what you can, but it's not a mater of giving much as it's a matter of giving consistently. Even if it's just a buck, give a buck every week, unless you really want to give more or have fallen into particularly hard times.Theokhoth

I am asking you Christians a question because my girlfriend says i have to give 10 percent of my income to the churches weekly cause the bible says so...but in the new testament it doesnt say 10 percent anymore it says give what you can to the lord, but the churches like to revert back to the old testament when it comes to the 10 percent..i feel its a bit corrupt...but the bible also says things like this

To burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9),
To sell your daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7,
You're not allowed contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24),
You may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations.Lev. (25:44),
You must put to death anyone who works on the sabbath (Exodus 35:2),
Eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10),
You may not approach the altar of God if you have a defect in your sight (Lev 21:20),
Trimming your hair, including the hair around the temples, is expressly forbidden (Lev 19:27)
Touching the skin of a dead pig makes you unclean (Lev 11:6-8)
You can't plant two different crops in the same field or wear garments made of two different kinds of thread, punishable by stoning to death (Lev 19:19)
You can't sleep with your in-laws, punishable by burning at the stake (Lev. 20:14)

cee1gee

Looks like you quoted the 'OLD' Testament laws. No matter. In my opinion. Tithing is not something you do because you have to. It should be something you do because you want to. We pay at least 10% before taxes. It's our choice though. No one is forcing us.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Yeeeeeah, I'm pretty sure nobody really thinks of "10 percent," just "give what you can give."cee1gee

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Give what you can, but it's not a mater of giving much as it's a matter of giving consistently. Even if it's just a buck, give a buck every week, unless you really want to give more or have fallen into particularly hard times.mattbbpl

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Give what you can, but it's not a mater of giving much as it's a matter of giving consistently. Even if it's just a buck, give a buck every week, unless you really want to give more or have fallen into particularly hard times.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Yeeeeeah, I'm pretty sure nobody really thinks of "10 percent," just "give what you can give."Meinhard1

I do not believe we are to give a mere 10% of our income but absolutely everything.

The Bible really says that stuff, who would follow such laws?

The Bible really says that stuff, who would follow such laws?

metroidprime55

In all fairness they don't usually. It's all from the Old Testament. While some less credible Christian organizations or individuals will reference it when it suits them and ignore it when it doesn't. By and large it is not a common practice of the faith in general.

I think that hell I don't believe in just froze over.:lol: To all the Christians, don't say an Atheist never stuck up for you. :)

Give as much as you can. If you can give more than 10% do it. In the end its all Gods money anyway. God gave you what you have so the least you can do is give a little back to him. gmaster456

Give as much as you can. If you can give more than 10% do it. In the end its all Gods money anyway. God gave you what you have so the least you can do is give a little back to him. gmaster456

So what's the question?

[QUOTE="gmaster456"]Give as much as you can. If you can give more than 10% do it. In the end its all Gods money anyway. God gave you what you have so the least you can do is give a little back to him. comp_atkins

Give as much as you can. If you can give more than 10% do it. In the end its all Gods money anyway. God gave you what you have so the least you can do is give a little back to him. gmaster456