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#51 SSCyborg
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]and your proof is?...

jimhogg

If you're going to debate the existance of a soul, I'm afraid the burden of proof falls upon your shoulders.

i know, but considering the Bible is the most confirmed piece of literature to be true ever written kind of leans it in my favor...

LOL who confirmed it? the thousands of thousands of scientists that say Creatism is a lie and we evolved through evolution?

edit: (I'm talking about it as a whole)

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i know, but considering the Bible is the most confirmed piece of literature to be true ever written kind of leans it in my favor...

jimhogg

There's a mighty big difference between 1) archeological evidence supporting ancient battles described in the Bible, and 2) proving the existence of something that is intangible by nature.

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[QUOTE="jimhogg"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]and your proof is?...

SSCyborg

If you're going to debate the existance of a soul, I'm afraid the burden of proof falls upon your shoulders.

i know, but considering the Bible is the most confirmed piece of literature to be true ever written kind of leans it in my favor...

LOL who confirmed it? the thousands of thousands of scientists that say Creatism is a lie and we evolved through evolution?

Those crazy scientists will say anything to get headlines, and nothing gets headlines better than to state the outrageous. (God doesn't exist, orly then who do I talk to every night MR Scientist?!?!)

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Those crazy scientists will say anything to get headlines, and nothing gets headlines better than to state the outrageous. (God doesn't exist, orly then who do I talk to every night MR Scientist?!?!)

Kuja9998

What do you say to the dinosaurs?

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#55 jimhogg
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]and your proof is?...

Kuja9998

If you're going to debate the existance of a soul, I'm afraid the burden of proof falls upon your shoulders.

i know, but considering the Bible is the most confirmed piece of literature to be true ever written kind of leans it in my favor...

The bible is confirmed to be 100% accurate eh? lol... your either very young or very stupid.

what i'm saying is that there is more evidence stating that the Bible is true than of Homer writing the iliad...

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[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]

Those crazy scientists will say anything to get headlines, and nothing gets headlines better than to state the outrageous. (God doesn't exist, orly then who do I talk to every night MR Scientist?!?!)

SSCyborg

What do you say to the dinosaurs?

... what part of my last post did you miss? Was it the sarcasm, irony or parody cuz that post clearly had all 3. lol

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#57 jimhogg
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"]

i know, but considering the Bible is the most confirmed piece of literature to be true ever written kind of leans it in my favor...

Oleg_Huzwog

There's a mighty big difference between 1) archeological evidence supporting ancient battles described in the Bible, and 2) proving the existence of something that is intangible by nature.

yes but with all of the factual profecies that were fullfilled in the Bible logic dictates that we should at least take a closer look into it.

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#58 jimhogg
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[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]

Those crazy scientists will say anything to get headlines, and nothing gets headlines better than to state the outrageous. (God doesn't exist, orly then who do I talk to every night MR Scientist?!?!)

SSCyborg

What do you say to the dinosaurs?

they're in the Bible...

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#59 jimhogg
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Prophecies*
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[QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="Kuja9998"]

Those crazy scientists will say anything to get headlines, and nothing gets headlines better than to state the outrageous. (God doesn't exist, orly then who do I talk to every night MR Scientist?!?!)

jimhogg

What do you say to the dinosaurs?

they're in the Bible...

Right next to Harry Potter, right?
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#61 jimhogg
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well i'm off work.

cya'll later

God bless.

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[QUOTE="Kuja9998"][QUOTE="jimhogg"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]and your proof is?...

jimhogg

If you're going to debate the existance of a soul, I'm afraid the burden of proof falls upon your shoulders.

i know, but considering the Bible is the most confirmed piece of literature to be true ever written kind of leans it in my favor...

The bible is confirmed to be 100% accurate eh? lol... your either very young or very stupid.

what i'm saying is that there is more evidence stating that the Bible is true than of Homer writing the iliad...

The question of whether the bible is true is not an all or nothing affair. It isn't like there scientists get into a room and say "There is a 50% chance that everything in the bible is true, and 50% chance everything is false" The events of the bible correlate to some historical events, but to say that it is absolutely true because of this limited correlation is on par with adding a sentence to a history book that says "Aliens started the great depression" and believing that fact just because it is a history book.

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[QUOTE="jimhogg"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="Kuja9998"]

Those crazy scientists will say anything to get headlines, and nothing gets headlines better than to state the outrageous. (God doesn't exist, orly then who do I talk to every night MR Scientist?!?!)

Cerussite

What do you say to the dinosaurs?

they're in the Bible...

Right next to Harry Potter, right?

Behemoth has the following attributes according to Job 40:15-24

  • It "eats grass like an ox."
  • It "moves his tail like a cedar." (In Hebrew, this literally reads, "he lets hang his tail like a cedar.")
  • Its "bones are like beams of bronze,
    His ribs like bars of iron."
  • "He is the first of the ways of God."
  • "He lies under the lotus trees,
    In a covert of reeds and marsh."

violet ball Leviathan has the following attributes according to Job chapter 41, Psalm 104:25,26 and Isaiah 27:1. This is only a partial listing-just enough to make the point.

  • "No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up."
  • "Who can open the doors of his face, with his terrible teeth all around?"
  • "His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another that no air can come between them; they are joined one to another, they stick together and cannot be parted."
  • "His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lights; sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke goes out of his nostrils, as from a boiling pot and burning rushes. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth."
  • "Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, and bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; he laughs at the threat of javelins."
  • "On earth there is nothing like him, which is made without fear."
  • Leviathan "played" in the "great and wide sea" (a paraphrase of Psalm 104 verses 25 and 26-get the exact sense by reading them yourself).
  • Leviathan is a "reptile [a] that is in the sea." (Isaiah 27:1)

    [a] Note: The word translated "reptile" here is the Hebrew word tanniyn. This shows that "Leviathan" was also a "tanniyn" (dragon).

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Christianity is not a blind faith. It is the only religion that can prove itself, and a main source of that proof is the Bible. Although it is becoming less common, there are still people who tell others that they follow Christianity "because it feels right" (or use wording like that). This is unfortunate, since there is a lot of evidence supporting Christianity. The existence of all that evidence is one reason we started this site. We want people to learn about the solid evidence that supports their faith, and have a place that collected that evidence so they can show it to others.

By the way, if you would like some reference materials that are a little more portable than a computer with an Internet connection, a book we recommend is Know Why You Believe by Paul Little. This book is available in larger bookstores and most Christian bookstores. Also, the Tucson Community Church recorded a seminar called "Knowing The Facts Behind The Faith." It is available on DVD and VHS video (NTSC format).They also handle international orders.

The Proof of Science

There is a great deal of scientific evidence that supports the Bible. Enough that we have a separate page to discuss this proof alone.

The Proof of Prophecy

One of the strongest arguments for the accuracy of the Bible is its 100% accuracy in predicting the future. These future predictions are called "prophecies." The Old Testament was written between approximately 1450 BC and 430 BC. During that time, many predictions of the future were recorded in the Bible by God's prophets. Of the events that were to have taken place by now, every one happened just the way they predicted it would. No other "sacred writing" has such perfectly accurate predictions of the future.

One Type-The Messianic Prophecies

Of these prophecies, the most striking examples are the predictions about an "anointed one" ("Messiah" in Hebrew) who was to arrive in the future. About 4 BC, a miraculous event occurred-a boy named Jesus was born to a virgin named Mary. You can read His story in the book of Luke. Starting at age 30, Jesus fulfilled more and more of these prophecies written about the Messiah. His fulfillment of these prophecies was very spectacular: Jesus gave sight to the blind, made the lame walk, cured those who had leprosy, gave the deaf hearing, and raised people from the dead! These miracles and others were done many times in front of thousands of witnesses for three years. About 30 AD, Jesus was crucified (a prophecy) and died (a prophecy). Three days later he rose from the dead (another prophecy), after which He was seen by over 500 witnesses. Since these prophecies were written down at least 400 years before they happened, there is no doubt that the Bible's writers were inspired supernaturally-by God. To examine these prophecies yourself, click on the link below.

A Second Type-Fulfilled Prophecy Dealing With Nations

There are many prophecies that can be proven through archaeology, especially prophecy dealing with entire nations. Typically, when God declared judgment on a nation, He would send a prophet to announce to the citizens why He was judging them and what He was going to do to them if they continued their evil behavior. On occasion, God would also tell the citizens how He would reward them if they started doing what was right. The book of Jonah records a case where the Assyrians stopped doing what was evil as a result of Jonah's short prophecy. This is what God wanted, and God did not punish them as a result of their change of heart. However, most often the people would jeer at God's prophet and continue their bad behavior-later becoming recipients of the exact punishment that God threatened.

Like other prophecy recorded in the Bible, these predictions support the supernatural inspiration of the Bible. The prophecies recorded in the Bible came true in such a detailed way that they could not have been predicted by chance. Further, archaeologists have evidence that these prophecies were written down many years before they were fulfilled, proving that they were not falsified documents claiming to be prophecies that came true. (The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls stopped the majority of that talk.) Although an entire web site could be filled with this information, we will provide one example-the foretelling of the destruction of Edom and its capital city of Petra.

The Proof of Textual Evidence

Both the Old and New Testaments are strongly supported by manuscript evidence (the evidence of early hand written copies). The famous Dead Sea Scrolls are one example of the Old Testament evidence. These documents came from the "library" of a settlement founded at Qumran before 150 B.C. and abandoned about 68 A.D. Some of the manuscript copies were made during that period, and some were written earlier (third century BC) and brought to the settlement. Ignoring spelling-oriented (orthographic) changes and similar small differences, the Dead Sea Scrolls match the Hebrew text behind today's Old Testament, in spite of the passage of over 2,000 years (where one would expect errors to creep in).

Over 20,000 known manuscripts document the New Testament text. This makes the New Testament the most reliable document of antiquity (a document written before the printing press). These manuscripts vary in size from a part of a page to an entire Bible (Old and New Testaments). The earliest New Testament manuscripts date from the second century (100-199) AD These manuscript copies were written in different languages by people of different nationalities, cultures, and backgrounds. In spite of all those differences between them, the New Testament texts all agree. (That is, those differences that we do observe between these hand written documents are occasional changes in the spelling of names or isolated cases of missing or changed words. Still, since we have so many copies, it is obvious to anyone but the hardened skeptic can that they all represent the same text.)

Note: Those minor differences that do exist between the Old and New Testament manuscripts are interesting for academic reasons. They are the topic of a future "in depth" Clarifying Christianity page. (It is currently about 10,000 words long and still under construction-stay tuned.)

The Proof of People Living at the Time of Christ

Special proof exists for the New Testament, since Christians were strongly persecuted by both the Jews and the Roman government. If the New Testament writings were false, these two groups would have produced a great deal of evidence to stop the growth of this "sect." None exists. Further, the New Testament writings (before they were assembled into the "book" we call the New Testament) circulated during the lifetimes of thousands of people who had actually seen Jesus' miracles and other historic events. No one ever refuted the New Testament writings as "fairy tales."

The Proof of Historians

Secular history supports the Bible. For example, in The Antiquities of the Jews, book 18, chapter 3, paragraph 3 the famous historian Flavius Josephus writes:

"Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works-a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day."

In 115 AD, P. Cornelius Tacitus wrote the following passage that refers to Jesus (called "Christus," which means "The Messiah") in book 15, chapter 44 of The Annals:

"Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a ****hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired."
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Everything they do is a little extreme.
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[QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="Kuja9998"]

Those crazy scientists will say anything to get headlines, and nothing gets headlines better than to state the outrageous. (God doesn't exist, orly then who do I talk to every night MR Scientist?!?!)

Kuja9998

What do you say to the dinosaurs?

... what part of my last post did you miss? Was it the sarcasm, irony or parody cuz that post clearly had all 3. lol

Didn't read the end, thought you were that jimhogg guy. :P

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etc.

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The first one sounds like a rather large dog with a stomach problem, and the second one a whale. Too vague to mean anything, right? Right.
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:) Once again... abortion is wrong ONLY in the context of religion. Because of separation between church and state as far as the law in concerned Abortion is morally acceptable.
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[QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="jimhogg"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]and your proof is?...

Kuja9998

If you're going to debate the existance of a soul, I'm afraid the burden of proof falls upon your shoulders.

i know, but considering the Bible is the most confirmed piece of literature to be true ever written kind of leans it in my favor...

LOL who confirmed it? the thousands of thousands of scientists that say Creatism is a lie and we evolved through evolution?

Those crazy scientists will say anything to get headlines, and nothing gets headlines better than to state the outrageous. (God doesn't exist, orly then who do I talk to every night MR Scientist?!?!)

aaahahaha!!!!! *yawn* care to explain the nested hierarchy of species?
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]er....dinosaurs died out a long time before the bible was written or even passed down by word of mouth.
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The Church has been corrupt long enough that i doubt anyone values their opinion on such things.
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#72 jimhogg
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"]

etc.

Cerussite

The first one sounds like a rather large dog with a stomach problem, and the second one a whale. Too vague to mean anything, right? Right.

you know what leviathon translates to? sea monster right? right

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:) Once again... abortion is wrong ONLY in the context of religion. Because of separation between church and state as far as the law in concerned Abortion is morally acceptable.
Kuja9998

the only people who approve of abortion are the ones who have themselves been born- Ronald Reagan.

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#74 Cerussite
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[QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]

etc.

jimhogg

The first one sounds like a rather large dog with a stomach problem, and the second one a whale. Too vague to mean anything, right? Right.

you know what leviathon translates to? sea monster right? right

So that backs up my conclusion. You're not helping your point, only mine. :|
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[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]:) Once again... abortion is wrong ONLY in the context of religion. Because of separation between church and state as far as the law in concerned Abortion is morally acceptable.
jimhogg

the only people who approve of abortion are the ones who have themselves been born- Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan sure hit the nail on the head there. I wonder what higher level of thinking he had to use to come to that conclusion. I hope it didn't kill him. :|
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"][QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]

etc.

Cerussite

The first one sounds like a rather large dog with a stomach problem, and the second one a whale. Too vague to mean anything, right? Right.

you know what leviathon translates to? sea monster right? right

So that backs up my conclusion. You're not helping your point, only mine. :|

umm last i heard whales don't have scales...

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:) Once again... abortion is wrong ONLY in the context of religion. Because of separation between church and state as far as the law in concerned Abortion is morally acceptable.
Kuja9998

And I contend abortion is right/wrong based upon deciding where life begins - no religion involved.

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If the New Testament writings were false, these two groups would have produced a great deal of evidence to stop the growth of this "sect." None exists.

jimhogg

Nero comes to mind, as well as every Roman Emperor between Christianity's founding and Constantine.

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[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]:) Once again... abortion is wrong ONLY in the context of religion. Because of separation between church and state as far as the law in concerned Abortion is morally acceptable.
jimhogg

the only people who approve of abortion are the ones who have themselves been born- Ronald Reagan.

The only people who approve of anything have always been born, so the quote is moot.
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#80 jimhogg
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Image:Leviathan old.jpg

that is a drawing from the Biblical times..

i'm just saying they're in the Bible, how hard is that to believe? we know they were real..

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umm last i heard whales don't have scales...

jimhogg
Last I heard people 2000 years ago weren't exactly adept in what I like to refer to as "science". Who gives a damn, really? It's not an indication that they were talking about dinosaurs, if anything. Sure, you can twist it into anything you want, and I'm sure under the right conditions it sounds like a dinosaur, but hey, so do humans if you describe them in enough detail, making sure to omit certain facts. So, really, stop trying to prove something you have no evidence for. It's making you look like an idiot.
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"]

[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]:) Once again... abortion is wrong ONLY in the context of religion. Because of separation between church and state as far as the law in concerned Abortion is morally acceptable.
EboyLOL

the only people who approve of abortion are the ones who have themselves been born- Ronald Reagan.

The only people who approve of anything have always been born, so the quote is moot.

The quote has merit, but as I explained in my last post sentient human rights should supercede the rights of non-sentient fetuses when their interests directly conflict.

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Image:Leviathan old.jpg

that is a drawing from the Biblical times..

i'm just saying they're in the Bible, how hard is that to believe? we know they were real..

jimhogg
Epic lulz. I thank you.
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#84 jimhogg
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"]

umm last i heard whales don't have scales...

Cerussite

Last I heard people 2000 years ago weren't exactly adept in what I like to refer to as "science". Who gives a damn, really? It's not an indication that they were talking about dinosaurs, if anything. Sure, you can twist it into anything you want, and I'm sure under the right conditions it sounds like a dinosaur, but hey, so do humans if you describe them in enough detail, making sure to omit certain facts. So, really, stop trying to prove something you have no evidence for. It's making you look like an idiot.

i'm gonna have to say no on this one...

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[QUOTE="jimhogg"]

Image:Leviathan old.jpg

that is a drawing from the Biblical times..

i'm just saying they're in the Bible, how hard is that to believe? we know they were real..

Cerussite

Epic lulz. I thank you.

why whenever i mention anything of the Bible you just try your best to shoot it down? do you have some sort of personal vendetta or something?

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#86 Cerussite
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[QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]

Image:Leviathan old.jpg

that is a drawing from the Biblical times..

i'm just saying they're in the Bible, how hard is that to believe? we know they were real..

jimhogg

Epic lulz. I thank you.

why whenever i mention anything of the Bible you just try your best to shoot it down? do you have some sort of personal vendetta or something?

No, but the tail is hilarious. How can you not find that funny?
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#87 jimhogg
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I'm just quoting scripture and the most i can get out of you is "well, nuhuh"...
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#88 Cerussite
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[QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]

umm last i heard whales don't have scales...

jimhogg

Last I heard people 2000 years ago weren't exactly adept in what I like to refer to as "science". Who gives a damn, really? It's not an indication that they were talking about dinosaurs, if anything. Sure, you can twist it into anything you want, and I'm sure under the right conditions it sounds like a dinosaur, but hey, so do humans if you describe them in enough detail, making sure to omit certain facts. So, really, stop trying to prove something you have no evidence for. It's making you look like an idiot.

i'm gonna have to say no on this one...

No to what?
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#89 jimhogg
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the evidence...
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#90 jimhogg
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check that.. your saying i don't have any evidence.

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#91 jimhogg
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bye this time i'm for cereal...

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#92 Cerussite
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check that.. your saying i don't have any evidence.

jimhogg
You don't. What you have are out-of-context quotes from a 2000 year-old book. Not evidence.
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#93 EboyLOL
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check that.. your saying i don't have any evidence.

jimhogg
...you don't though. Not every drawing depicts a real thing.
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#94 Oleg_Huzwog
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that is a drawing from the Biblical times..jimhogg

That drawing is not from Biblical times. That image was taken from grimoires, Middle Age textbooks of magic and mysticism.

Here's the link. Note the picture on the right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan#Christianity

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#95 yoshi-lnex
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Image:Leviathan old.jpg

that is a drawing from the Biblical times..

i'm just saying they're in the Bible, how hard is that to believe? we know they were real..

jimhogg
er....no, there was nothing like that alive in the past few thousand years, dinosaurs died out 67 million years ago, well before the bible was written.
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#96 middito
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who said the bible only had to explain the time of man. your logical argument doesnt make sense, especially with basic concepts. have you ever been to a museum?
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#97 MrGeezer
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I asked my religion teacher that if say a 12 year old girl got raped by a saditisic rapist and got pregnant, would the church approve of her having an abortion. Well according to the church, that girl should keep the baby and having the abortion would be a mortal sin that separates you from God. Isn't that a little too extreme? The church ONLY supports abortion if it can save a mother's life. RyuHayabusaX

That's more consistent than some people's opinions, who think that abortion should generally be illegal except in cases of the mother's life being in danger AND rape.

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#98 Jenovawitness
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they believe ending a life (and they consider newly conceived fetus's life) a sin. no matter how it happens.

I guess the idea is simple huh? they believe all life, no matter if created through evil, deserves a chance at life, even if it makes someone else's life sucky.

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#99 brightshadow525
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By church do you mean really old people in the Vatican?
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#100 inyourface_12
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it is a sin but i dont think its worth screwing your life or the kids life up for