CIA officially 'declassifies' Area 51 - "Explains" UFO Association

Haven't they "Declassifided" Area 51 several times in the past? I'm not saying it's Aliens or anything I just seem to remember a bunch of declassified documents over the years much of which had stuff blacked out, etc.

Haven't they "Declassifided" Area 51 several times in the past? I'm not saying it's Aliens or anything I just seem to remember a bunch of declassified documents over the years much of which had stuff blacked out, etc.

Serraph105

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Haven't they "Declassifided" Area 51 several times in the past? I'm not saying it's Aliens or anything I just seem to remember a bunch of declassified documents over the years much of which had stuff blacked out, etc.

Kevlar101

Feels like 1997 again

Well, if the bastion of integrity and honesty CIA says so it must be true. MrPraline

Cover up.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Well, if the bastion of integrity and honesty CIA says so it must be true. Kevlar101

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Well, if the bastion of integrity and honesty CIA says so it must be true. Kevlar101

Convinced of what? That area 51 exists? It sure as hell does, it just has nothing to do with aliens

[QUOTE="Kevlar101"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]Well, if the bastion of integrity and honesty CIA says so it must be true. wis3boi

Convinced of what? That area 51 exists? It sure as hell does, it just has nothing to do with aliens

This might mark the first time they've actually admitted that there is an Area 51. I believe in the past they declassified incidents around it, but they've usually refused to admit the actual base exists.

I can't remember when it actually occured, but a group of former workers from Area 51 tried to sue the Federal Government for knowingly exposing them to hazardous chemicals on the base by burning them adjacent to the site, which led to numerous workers on the site becoming seriously ill or dying.ave

In response the Government officially denied it existed. When that group attempted to press this in court, SCOTUS found that the Government did not have to admit to the existence of such a base.

In this case, I think they are actually admitting the base exists.

i already knew about it from the ancient alien time travelling clones of mermaids documentary on the history channel.

FAKTS BYTCHES!

Haven't they "Declassifided" Area 51 several times in the past? I'm not saying it's Aliens or anything I just seem to remember a bunch of declassified documents over the years much of which had stuff blacked out, etc.

Serraph105

Well, if the bastion of integrity and honesty CIA says so it must be true. MrPraline

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[QUOTE="Kevlar101"] Never said that I was convinced. That's because I'm not. Kevlar101

Convinced of what? That area 51 exists? It sure as hell does, it just has nothing to do with aliens

because the planes that are stocked/built/fly out of there are more expensive and have technology in them than you could hope to imagine.  Why is hiding your technology from people all that absurd?

I have heard rumors of far more secret and hidden facilities taking the lead for some time now, and this "declassification" of Area 51 only serves to amplify my suspicion of such places. It's clear at this point Area 51 is simply too well known to be an effective center of experimental technology, and its best use is as a decoy to distract people from the truly classified places.

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Convinced of what? That area 51 exists? It sure as hell does, it just has nothing to do with aliens

wis3boi

because the planes that are stocked/built/fly out of there are more expensive and have technology in them than you could hope to imagine.  Why is hiding your technology from people all that absurd?

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[QUOTE="Kevlar101"] I'm not convinced that they are telling the whole truth. I mean, why would you hide the existence of a whole fvcking military base for nearly 25 years after the Cold War ended if there wasn't anything else left to keep secret? I'm not saying Aliens and UFOs necessarily, but there is/was something going on other than spy planes, that's for damn sure. As said earlier, why else would they hide it for 25 years after the Cold War ended?Kevlar101

because the planes that are stocked/built/fly out of there are more expensive and have technology in them than you could hope to imagine.  Why is hiding your technology from people all that absurd?

That is a considerably more plausible explaination than aliens.

I already knew it was a testing place for (at the time) classified aircraft like the U-2.  Of course people who don't know any better saw lights from aircraft they don't recognize and make up all kinds of stories because people are like that.  It's really as simple as that. 

I have heard rumors of far more secret and hidden facilities taking the lead for some time now, and this "declassification" of Area 51 only serves to amplify my suspicion of such places. It's clear at this point Area 51 is simply too well known to be an effective center of experimental technology, and its best use is as a decoy to distract people from the truly classified places.

Reborn_Sigma

I wonder about all the other top secret aircraft they were seen testing in the area. There were contrails spotted from Area 51 (on Google Earth) that went all the way across the Pacific - long after the U-2.

This might mark the first time they've actually admitted that there is an Area 51. I believe in the past they declassified incidents around it, but they've usually refused to admit the actual base exists.

I can't remember when it actually occured, but a group of former workers from Area 51 tried to sue the Federal Government for knowingly exposing them to hazardous chemicals on the base by burning them adjacent to the site, which led to numerous workers on the site becoming seriously ill or dying.ave

In response the Government officially denied it existed. When that group attempted to press this in court, SCOTUS found that the Government did not have to admit to the existence of such a base.

In this case, I think they are actually admitting the base exists.

m0zart

It's kind of hard to deny something exists when it can be photgraphed from space and readily seen in programs like Google Earth.

It has always been a base where classified projects have been handled like the U-2, YA-12/SR-71, F-117 (when one crashed, the USAF had to let the cat out of the bag about it) and Have Blue (from which sprang the F-117). The secrecy of such projects is why the base still has such a large off limits area around it.

Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense.

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This might mark the first time they've actually admitted that there is an Area 51. I believe in the past they declassified incidents around it, but they've usually refused to admit the actual base exists.

I can't remember when it actually occured, but a group of former workers from Area 51 tried to sue the Federal Government for knowingly exposing them to hazardous chemicals on the base by burning them adjacent to the site, which led to numerous workers on the site becoming seriously ill or dying.ave

In response the Government officially denied it existed. When that group attempted to press this in court, SCOTUS found that the Government did not have to admit to the existence of such a base.

In this case, I think they are actually admitting the base exists.

WhiteKnight77

It's kind of hard to deny something exists when it can be photgraphed from space and readily seen in programs like Google Earth.

It has always been a base where classified projects have been handled like the U-2, YA-12/SR-71, F-117 (when one crashed, the USAF had to let the cat out of the bag about it) and Have Blue (from which sprang the F-117). The secrecy of such projects is why the base still has such a large off limits area around it.

Of course they declassified Area 51. The aliens are actually kept in Hangar 18. It's common knowledge.

[QUOTE="m0zart"]

This might mark the first time they've actually admitted that there is an Area 51. I believe in the past they declassified incidents around it, but they've usually refused to admit the actual base exists.

I can't remember when it actually occured, but a group of former workers from Area 51 tried to sue the Federal Government for knowingly exposing them to hazardous chemicals on the base by burning them adjacent to the site, which led to numerous workers on the site becoming seriously ill or dying.ave

In response the Government officially denied it existed. When that group attempted to press this in court, SCOTUS found that the Government did not have to admit to the existence of such a base.

In this case, I think they are actually admitting the base exists.

WhiteKnight77

It's kind of hard to deny something exists when it can be photgraphed from space and readily seen in programs like Google Earth.

It has always been a base where classified projects have been handled like the U-2, YA-12/SR-71, F-117 (when one crashed, the USAF had to let the cat out of the bag about it) and Have Blue (from which sprang the F-117). The secrecy of such projects is why the base still has such a large off limits area around it.

sidenote: Area 51 on Google Earth/Maps was just a giant hole/blur up until only a couple years ago

It's kind of hard to deny something exists when it can be photgraphed from space and readily seen in programs like Google Earth.

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It has always been a base where classified projects have been handled like the U-2, YA-12/SR-71, F-117 (when one crashed, the USAF had to let the cat out of the bag about it) and Have Blue (from which sprang the F-117). The secrecy of such projects is why the base still has such a large off limits area around it.

WhiteKnight77

It was never visible from Google Earth until recently. While it was still classified, Google was forced to obscure it.

In any case, long before Google Earth, it was hard to deny it as everyone knew about it... yet the Government still denied it.

That's disappointing. Well, I guess there's many other similar places like it in the world.

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It's kind of hard to deny something exists when it can be photgraphed from space and readily seen in programs like Google Earth.

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It has always been a base where classified projects have been handled like the U-2, YA-12/SR-71, F-117 (when one crashed, the USAF had to let the cat out of the bag about it) and Have Blue (from which sprang the F-117). The secrecy of such projects is why the base still has such a large off limits area around it.

m0zart

It was never visible from Google Earth until recently. While it was still classified, Google was forced to obscure it.

In any case, long before Google Earth, it was hard to deny it as everyone knew about it... yet the Government still denied it.

It's basically just protocol...you just deny the existence of secret places even though we know they exist.  You can walk up to the gates of the place if you want, but guys in a black SUV and wearing shades and military gear will be watching you...cross the line and they open fire.

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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

It's kind of hard to deny something exists when it can be photgraphed from space and readily seen in programs like Google Earth.

**Image Removed**

It has always been a base where classified projects have been handled like the U-2, YA-12/SR-71, F-117 (when one crashed, the USAF had to let the cat out of the bag about it) and Have Blue (from which sprang the F-117). The secrecy of such projects is why the base still has such a large off limits area around it.

wis3boi

It was never visible from Google Earth until recently. While it was still classified, Google was forced to obscure it.

In any case, long before Google Earth, it was hard to deny it as everyone knew about it... yet the Government still denied it.

It's basically just protocol...you just deny the existence of secret places even though we know they exist. You can walk up to the gates of the place if you want, but guys in a black SUV and wearing shades and military gear will be watching you...cross the line and they open fire.

You can't really get to the gates. I've taken the drive through the Joshua Tree forest in September of 2009 to the perimeter. There's a line you are specifically told not to cross, with plenty of signs letting you know never to do it, and it's not really anywhere near the actual Area 51 site, but a very good distance away. You certainly can't see it from there.

Back in the early 90s, the line was farther up at the top of the adjacent hill, and you could go up and look down on the site. However, the Discover Channel filmed that and put it on TV, which prompted Uncle Sam to move the line farther down.

As you drive through the forest to get to that line, there are motion detectors sensing your movement. That prompts a few agents to go up to the top of the hill and watch you from afar. We literally saw them driving to the hill in a jeep as we approached, and by the time we got out of the van they were parked at the top of a hill. They came out and watched us. I kid you not: they were dressed in black suits. I have no idea how they stood it in that heat.

Our tour guide told us exactly what would happen if we crossed the line: we'd be arrested. They would likely see it as a bad joke and might end up releasing us much later, but they would make sure that we wouldn't want to experience the same bad joke twice.

I am wondering now if the line can be crossed. I mean, if it's now visible from Google Earth, I wonder if it's now possible to go to the hill and take a look instead of being restricted to the previous line?

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

It's kind of hard to deny something exists when it can be photgraphed from space and readily seen in programs like Google Earth.

**Image Removed**

It has always been a base where classified projects have been handled like the U-2, YA-12/SR-71, F-117 (when one crashed, the USAF had to let the cat out of the bag about it) and Have Blue (from which sprang the F-117). The secrecy of such projects is why the base still has such a large off limits area around it.

m0zart

It was never visible from Google Earth until recently. While it was still classified, Google was forced to obscure it.

In any case, long before Google Earth, it was hard to deny it as everyone knew about it... yet the Government still denied it.

As far as I can remember, it was on Google Earth. Now, it wasn't on NASA's World Wind program that is similar to Google Earth, but it may be nowadays too. Google Earth has Area 51 imagry that dates back to 2002 and it was first released in '01 though under a different name. Also, it appears that Google had Area 51 as a default bookmark. Now, I do know that they pixelate military bases in The Netherlands.

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[QUOTE="m0zart"]

It was never visible from Google Earth until recently. While it was still classified, Google was forced to obscure it.

In any case, long before Google Earth, it was hard to deny it as everyone knew about it... yet the Government still denied it.

m0zart

It's basically just protocol...you just deny the existence of secret places even though we know they exist. You can walk up to the gates of the place if you want, but guys in a black SUV and wearing shades and military gear will be watching you...cross the line and they open fire.

You can't really get to the gates. I've taken the drive through the Joshua Tree forest in September of 2009 to the perimeter. There's a line you are specifically told not to cross, with plenty of signs letting you know never to do it, and it's not really anywhere near the actual Area 51 site, but a very good distance away. You certainly can't see it from there.

Back in the early 90s, the line was farther up at the top of the adjacent hill, and you could go up and look down on the site. However, the Discover Channel filmed that and put it on TV, which prompted Uncle Sam to move the line farther down.

As you drive through the forest to get to that line, there are motion detectors sensing your movement. That prompts a few agents to go up to the top of the hill and watch you from afar. We literally saw them driving to the hill in a jeep as we approached, and by the time we got out of the van they were parked at the top of a hill. They came out and watched us. I kid you not: they were dressed in black suits. I have no idea how they stood it in that heat.

Our tour guide told us exactly what would happen if we crossed the line: we'd be arrested. They would likely see it as a bad joke and might end up releasing us much later, but they would make sure that we wouldn't want to experience the same bad joke twice.

I am wondering now if the line can be crossed. I mean, if it's now visible from Google Earth, I wonder if it's now possible to go to the hill and take a look instead of being restricted to the previous line?

I've seen a few UFO watchers walk right up to the fence past the "we'll shoot" sign, and a truck rolled up on a hill and there were soldiers/agents watching them.  The UFO guys got a bit creeped out and left.  That aside, that region has a bit of a creepy factor to it on it's own I think....the wide open nothingness of the desert and the stigma of the region in general.  I'm sure they'll keep the 'do not cross' boarder like it is now.

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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

It's kind of hard to deny something exists when it can be photgraphed from space and readily seen in programs like Google Earth.

**Image Removed**

It has always been a base where classified projects have been handled like the U-2, YA-12/SR-71, F-117 (when one crashed, the USAF had to let the cat out of the bag about it) and Have Blue (from which sprang the F-117). The secrecy of such projects is why the base still has such a large off limits area around it.

WhiteKnight77

It was never visible from Google Earth until recently. While it was still classified, Google was forced to obscure it.

In any case, long before Google Earth, it was hard to deny it as everyone knew about it... yet the Government still denied it.

As far as I can remember, it was on Google Earth. Now, it wasn't on NASA's World Wind program that is similar to Google Earth, but it may be nowadays too. Google Earth has Area 51 imagry that dates back to 2002 and it was first released in '01 though under a different name. Also, it appears that Google had Area 51 as a default bookmark. Now, I do know that they pixelate military bases in The Netherlands.

Well I won't claim you are wrong. I just know whenever I tried to look it up a good while ago, I couldn't see anything. It was an area blocked out.

Google tells me that the first satellite photos of the area were released by the USSR to the world in 1988. Even before that though it was common knowledge that the site existed, yet still completely denied by the Government.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

As far as I can remember, it was on Google Earth. Now, it wasn't on NASA's World Wind program that is similar to Google Earth, but it may be nowadays too. Google Earth has Area 51 imagry that dates back to 2002 and it was first released in '01 though under a different name. Also, it appears that Google had Area 51 as a default bookmark. Now, I do know that they pixelate military bases in The Netherlands.

m0zart

Well I won't claim you are wrong. I just know whenever I tried to look it up a good while ago, I couldn't see anything. It was an area blocked out.

Google tells me that the first satellite photos of the area were released by the USSR to the world in 1988. Even before that though it was common knowledge that the site existed, yet still completely denied by the Government.

I use Google Earth a lot for fixing basic airport scenery in MS Flight Simulator. There are some places, including NY (not the city) where airports are blurred some at close eye distances/altitudes as well as power plants like near Niagara Falls, yet Laguardia and JFK are crystal clear. They most certainly are not top secret, but with NY, who knows. Go figure. 

I've seen a few UFO watchers walk right up to the fence past the "we'll shoot" sign, and a truck rolled up on a hill and there were soldiers/agents watching them. The UFO guys got a bit creeped out and eft. That aside, that region has a bit of a creepy factor to it on it's own I think....the wide open nothingness of the desert and the stigma of the region in general. I'm sure they'll keep the 'do not cross' boarder like it is now.

wis3boi

It's a pretty beautiful little piece of desert. Really I was amazed at the beauty of the whole area on the drive down there, but the Joshua Tree forest that we drove through to get to Area 51 was the best part. It certainly was more interesting than anything else we saw.

I went on that tour because I wanted to see all these sites I had always seen on so many "mystery" shows on Discovery, etc. We went to the Little Ale'Inn, which was nothing more than a Greasy Spoon, the so-called "Black Mailbox", which turned out to be just some dude's mailbox (which he now painted white to prevent folks from identifying it so easily), another dry lake bed that is very similar to Area 51's dry lake bed (and which is the site usually used by film crews to depict Area 51), and the line to Area 51 itself. But the best part of the whole journey and really the only part that was worth the day-long driving adventure was seeing that lovely desert and that Joshua Tree forest. If you ever get a chance to take a tour to the site, I'd suggest doing it. It gets all the mystery of it out of your system by exposing it all as so common, and it's a great chance to see just how beautfiul the Mojave desert really is.

This is why we don't need people like Snowden. The government has nothing unusual to hide and never did.AllanLane

:lol:

The U-2 was hardly a secret anyway. The Russians shot one down as early as 1960 and it was in the media because of that incident. It also looks much like a regular plane unlike the B-2 or F-117.AllanLane

A U-2 looking like any other aircraft? Have you seriously looked at pics of aircraft?

This

does not look like this:

B707

or this:

I am a bit skeptical about conspiracy theories .Yet i know that government lies a lot

That's a shame. I love them grey tiny buddies.