cigs worse then weed

[QUOTE="Setsa"][QUOTE="modestkraut1291"]yup i did make it up off the top of my head. i dont do internet searchs then post my results so people will think im a genius. i only meant that ive heard of a study done that proved pot somehow has a very low chance (or none) of giving you lung cancer. i dont know anything for sure and arent pretending to. im just telling you what ive read and the only proof i really need is that ive never seen ANYONE die from weed but yet thousands die from cigs, thus cigs are definitely more harmful its undisputablemodestkraut1291

no no im not. that was even a coherent statement. what more evidence do you need? its a complete FACT that THOUSANDS apon THOUSANDS of people have died from cigs. not a theory, not a idea, a FAAAAACT. i dont care if your mind turns to jello and your arms fall off when you smoke pot, nobody has ever ever ever died from it. check every single medical record that ever existed there will not be a page entitles "marijuana overdose". this is a childs logic here, take a minute to understand. cigs = alot of deaths weed = none. so that must mean....cigs are worse then weed!! hooray!!! now before you try to be condescending again, please read everything i say.

god how many threads has there been of this topic >.>XD4NTESINF3RNOX

There may be "proof" in the traditional sense, but certainly not proof in a scientific sense."Science is a social enterprise, and scientific work tends to be accepted by the community when it has been confirmed. Crucially, experimental and theoretical results must be reproduced by others within the science communityThe theory that marijuana causes testicular cancer doesn't need to be "disproved" by me. It needs to be retested again and again by various reaserchers finding the same result while excluding as many variables as possible. Variables that are impossible to exclude by doing a survey.Untill YOU can show me studies showing the same result as the other you posted, it's a THEORY, not fact. This isn't me talking out of my butt, this is required in the scientific method. mfacek

ug everyone says this. If they would think about it logicly, they'd know that cigs will always be legal as long as they rake in cash. weed only funds criminal organizations, which the government doesn't like.TehReaper

yeah I know it's all a money issue. just saying that's why cigs will never be illegal. If weed was legal everyone would sell it i know.TehReaper

Wow... you might wanna brush up on your facts before making a generic pro-weed thread man. Just because you can make shirts out of hemp doesn't mean smoking weed is safer :lol:Setsa

no, but it gives an economic positive besides the medicinal benefits, the creativity for musicians, and the lack of any deaths from it.

[QUOTE="TehReaper"]yeah I know it's all a money issue. just saying that's why cigs will never be illegal. If weed was legal everyone would sell it i know.zmbi_gmr

Kinda like how its more cost affective to do everything yourself.

but of coarse virtually no one does.

[QUOTE="mfacek"]There may be "proof" in the traditional sense, but certainly not proof in a scientific sense."Science is a social enterprise, and scientific work tends to be accepted by the community when it has been confirmed. Crucially, experimental and theoretical results must be reproduced by others within the science communityThe theory that marijuana causes testicular cancer doesn't need to be "disproved" by me. It needs to be retested again and again by various reaserchers finding the same result while excluding as many variables as possible. Variables that are impossible to exclude by doing a survey.Untill YOU can show me studies showing the same result as the other you posted, it's a THEORY, not fact. This isn't me talking out of my butt, this is required in the scientific method. Vandalvideo

plus everyone will think theyre so manly coz they smoke weed, annoying as hellForumposter

Are you ****ting me? Weed is the "manly" drug? Have you ever, in your life, seen a cigarette ad? Or alike, pretty much any movie pre 1990? Cigarettes are the traditional epitome of masculinity, in terms of things you can consume in some way.

Edit: ROFL, in fact, just look at my avatar. That illustrates the point quite nicely.

[QUOTE="mfacek"]There may be "proof" in the traditional sense, but certainly not proof in a scientific sense."Science is a social enterprise, and scientific work tends to be accepted by the community when it has been confirmed. Crucially, experimental and theoretical results must be reproduced by others within the science communityThe theory that marijuana causes testicular cancer doesn't need to be "disproved" by me. It needs to be retested again and again by various reaserchers finding the same result while excluding as many variables as possible. Variables that are impossible to exclude by doing a survey.Untill YOU can show me studies showing the same result as the other you posted, it's a THEORY, not fact. This isn't me talking out of my butt, this is required in the scientific method. Vandalvideo

actually on the yahoo news article, another scientist pretty much debunked it, being that theres no actual correlation and seemingly impossible due to the fact of how testicular cancer forms and when, as well as being the only study to find this in a really small sample. In other news, going outside increases your chance of death.

[QUOTE="mfacek"] You do realize you're refuting the scientific method right? Vandalvideo

With no other studies finding the same conclusion. Therefore, as described by the scientific method, it is theory not fact and therefore should be taken with a grain of salt.mfacek

[QUOTE="zmbi_gmr"][QUOTE="TehReaper"]yeah I know it's all a money issue. just saying that's why cigs will never be illegal. If weed was legal everyone would sell it i know.links136

Kinda like how its more cost affective to do everything yourself.

but of coarse virtually no one does.

[QUOTE="mfacek"] You do realize you're refuting the scientific method right? Vandalvideo

"However, the researchers said that the link is currently a "hypothesis" and their results are not definitive and need more research and testing."Our study is the first inkling that marijuana use may be associated with testicular cancer, and we still have a lot of unanswered questions," they said, "We need to conduct additional research to see whether the association can be observed in other populations, and whether measurement of molecular markers connected to the pathways through which marijuana could influence testicular cancer development helps clarify any association that exists.""

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The researchers even admit the study is inconclusive. The guy you were debating this with ended up being right. Sorry mate:D

[QUOTE="links136"]

[QUOTE="zmbi_gmr"]i don't believe that everyone would sell marijuana (lots of ppl already do), i believe majority of all users would realize it's more cost affective to grow it themselves. the only thing that would be sold at high prices would be certain strands of weed. zmbi_gmr

Kinda like how its more cost affective to do everything yourself.

but of coarse virtually no one does.

"However, the researchers said that the link is currently a "hypothesis" and their results are not definitive and need more research and testing."Our study is the first inkling that marijuana use may be associated with testicular cancer, and we still have a lot of unanswered questions," they said, "We need to conduct additional research to see whether the association can be observed in other populations, and whether measurement of molecular markers connected to the pathways through which marijuana could influence testicular cancer development helps clarify any association that existsThe researchers even admit the study is inconclusive. The guy you were debating this with ended up being right. Sorry mate:D Choga

[QUOTE="Choga"]"However, the researchers said that the link is currently a "hypothesis" and their results are not definitive and need more research and testing."Our study is the first inkling that marijuana use may be associated with testicular cancer, and we still have a lot of unanswered questions," they said, "We need to conduct additional research to see whether the association can be observed in other populations, and whether measurement of molecular markers connected to the pathways through which marijuana could influence testicular cancer development helps clarify any association that existsThe researchers even admit the study is inconclusive. The guy you were debating this with ended up being right. Sorry mate:D Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Choga"]"However, the researchers said that the link is currently a "hypothesis" and their results are not definitive and need more research and testing."Our study is the first inkling that marijuana use may be associated with testicular cancer, and we still have a lot of unanswered questions," they said, "We need to conduct additional research to see whether the association can be observed in other populations, and whether measurement of molecular markers connected to the pathways through which marijuana could influence testicular cancer development helps clarify any association that existsThe researchers even admit the study is inconclusive. The guy you were debating this with ended up being right. Sorry mate:D Vandalvideo

You can deny it all you want, but EVEN THE RESEARCHERS say that the correlation between weed and ball cancer is just a hypothesis.

You can deny it all you want, but EVEN THE RESEARCHERS say that the study is just a hypothesis. Choga

coz people het HIGH with weed, not with ciggies, people can get weed psychosis plus everyone will think theyre so manly coz they smoke weed, annoying as hellForumposter

[QUOTE="zmbi_gmr"][QUOTE="links136"]

Kinda like how its more cost affective to do everything yourself.

but of coarse virtually no one does.

spliffstar12

that's why cigs are only $5 a pack, and a single bottle of beer can cost in the upwards of $5 depending on where you go. seriously, if you think that you may stoned right now. if the government can control the production and distribution of marijuana be prepared to pay a pretty penny. if an oz can be taxed $50 what do you believe the price of an oz will cost total?

[QUOTE="Choga"]You can deny it all you want, but EVEN THE RESEARCHERS say that the study is just a hypothesis. Vandalvideo

Dude you're being really thick. For something to be a scientific fact an experiment has to be reproduced exactly thousands of times by many different scientists.

Dude you're being really thick. For something to be a scientific fact an experiment has to be reproduced exactly thousands of times by many different scientists.Choga

The biggest joke to me is how legalization proponents pick and choose what statistics and studies to believe, with anything opposed to their view being some sort of conspiracy against pot smokers. Paranoid much?jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="spliffstar12"][QUOTE="zmbi_gmr"]ok! short comment, but you have a point. it's true ppl are lazy, but i am sticking w/ my point. if CA is gonna tax an oz $50 when it already costs $300 plus an oz i believe many would start growing for themselves. maybe TehReaper is correct in his comment and ppl would sell it at lower prices to outsell the state grown marijuana. regardless ppl would start growing all over the place and it would cause problems for the government. maybe if you can purchase, but not grow. if caught growing then you would be prosecuted which would suck, but it would make sense.

zmbi_gmr

that's why cigs are only $5 a pack, and a single bottle of beer can cost in the upwards of $5 depending on where you go. seriously, if you think that you may stoned right now. if the government can control the production and distribution of marijuana be prepared to pay a pretty penny.

a pack of cigs here is like $3.50 and they dont tax them and $5 a beer? i dont know any regular american beer that costs that much your probably drinking imported **** and a quarter of good bud goes for about $90 here and i highly doubt if it was legalized i would ever have to pay more then that.

The bottom line is that no one really knows for sure how bad it is, there are so many conflicting studies that it really comes down to bias.cruzer167

[QUOTE="Choga"]Dude you're being really thick. For something to be a scientific fact an experiment has to be reproduced exactly thousands of times by many different scientists.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="cruzer167"]The bottom line is that no one really knows for sure how bad it is, there are so many conflicting studies that it really comes down to bias.The_Versatile

Just because 5% more people who have testicular cancer in that area smoked weed on a daily basis compared to those who dont have cancer means nothing. With that kind of logic you could link ANYTHING to testicular cancer. This is still a hypothesis and nowhere near conclusive. Choga

[QUOTE="zmbi_gmr"][QUOTE="spliffstar12"] if weed was legal the prices aren't going to be as high because it would be mass producedspliffstar12

that's why cigs are only $5 a pack, and a single bottle of beer can cost in the upwards of $5 depending on where you go. seriously, if you think that you may stoned right now. if the government can control the production and distribution of marijuana be prepared to pay a pretty penny.

a pack of cigs here is like $3.50 and they dont tax them and $5 a beer? i dont know any regular american beer that costs that much your probably drinking imported **** and a quarter of good bud goes for about $90 here and i highly doubt if it was legalized i would ever have to pay more then that.

The biggest joke to me is how legalization proponents pick and choose what statistics and studies to believe, with anything opposed to their view being some sort of conspiracy against pot smokers. Paranoid much?jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="Choga"]Just because 5% more people who have testicular cancer in that area smoked weed on a daily basis compared to those who dont have cancer means nothing. With that kind of logic you could link ANYTHING to testicular cancer. This is still a hypothesis and nowhere near conclusive. Vandalvideo

Just because the guys with cancer smoked a little more weed than the guys without cancer doesn't show an increased risk. By that logic you can say that because the people with cancer played more hours of video games than the people without cancer, playing video games increases the risk of cancer. Saying that marijuana increases risk of testicular cancer is nothing more than a hasty generalization.

[QUOTE="The_Versatile"][QUOTE="cruzer167"]The bottom line is that no one really knows for sure how bad it is, there are so many conflicting studies that it really comes down to bias.jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]The biggest joke to me is how legalization proponents pick and choose what statistics and studies to believe, with anything opposed to their view being some sort of conspiracy against pot smokers. Paranoid much?matthayter700

Just because the guys with cancer smoked a little more weed than the guys without cancer doesn't show an increased risk. By that logic you can say that because the people with cancer played more hours of video games than the people without cancer, playing video games increases the risk of cancer. Saying that marijuana increases risk of testicular cancer is nothing more than a hasty generalization. Choga

[QUOTE="spliffstar12"][QUOTE="zmbi_gmr"]

that's why cigs are only $5 a pack, and a single bottle of beer can cost in the upwards of $5 depending on where you go. seriously, if you think that you may stoned right now. if the government can control the production and distribution of marijuana be prepared to pay a pretty penny.

zmbi_gmr

a pack of cigs here is like $3.50 and they dont tax them and $5 a beer? i dont know any regular american beer that costs that much your probably drinking imported **** and a quarter of good bud goes for about $90 here and i highly doubt if it was legalized i would ever have to pay more then that.

from my own personal experience you can be very willing to let go and still be caught in a bad trip. it's not neccesarily that the trip was bad, but while entering your awareness you may need to have a good cleaning done on your personal being, and that may be thought as a bad trip. your very right though. if a person can't let go then marijuana, acid or shrooms probably should not be used. nothing worse than someone fighting the effects.

[QUOTE="Choga"]Just because the guys with cancer smoked a little more weed than the guys without cancer doesn't show an increased risk. By that logic you can say that because the people with cancer played more hours of video games than the people without cancer, playing video games increases the risk of cancer. Saying that marijuana increases risk of testicular cancer is nothing more than a hasty generalization. Vandalvideo

The problem with your argument is that there are more variables than just X and Y. We don't know how many different factors could increase one's risk of testicular cancer. Until there is a PEER-REVIEWED study showing that marijuana increases one's risk of cancer, this is nothing more than a hasty generalization.

[QUOTE="zmbi_gmr"][QUOTE="spliffstar12"]

a pack of cigs here is like $3.50 and they dont tax them and $5 a beer? i dont know any regular american beer that costs that much your probably drinking imported **** and a quarter of good bud goes for about $90 here and i highly doubt if it was legalized i would ever have to pay more then that.

spliffstar12

Bizarrely enough, prices in Amsterdam are no better than in my home town. On top of that, it's illegal to sell large quantities, so buyers are always paying per gram rather than bulk. Pot is no cheaper from legalisation. You will be charged what you're prepared to pay.

The problem with your argument is that there are more variables than just X and Y. We don't know how many different factors could increase one's risk of testicular cancer. Until there is a PEER-REVIEWED study showing that marijuana increases one's risk of cancer, this is nothing more than a hasty generalization. Choga

[QUOTE="Choga"]The problem with your argument is that there are more variables than just X and Y. We don't know how many different factors could increase one's risk of testicular cancer. Until there is a PEER-REVIEWED study showing that marijuana increases one's risk of cancer, this is nothing more than a hasty generalization. Vandalvideo

The problem is that there isn't any congruence between smoking weed and testicular cancer. Until there is a peer-reviewed study linking marijuana and testicular cancer, this is pure coencidence.

@spliffstar12

I'm not trying to be d***. i just think that if the government is the one in control of the pricing that i don't believe the prices would decrease by much if at all because of the taxing. sure different grades would be different prices, but it wouldn't be much lower because of a supply/demand. there is plenty of supply now, and demand is always there. all we can do is hope that one day it is legalized, and then we will see what the prices are. you may be right in the long run or i may be right. we may never know.