citations can go to hell

I think I'll get where I want to be in terms of writing without anyone's direct aid. People underestimate the power of self education. Diophage

You are so right, me as well i got to do a similar thing on all my reports and assignments at my university and even the Tutors agree. At my university only 10% of the total work can be from someone else's work. Personally i just use a thesaurus and re-write everything i find but yeah they can sure as hell go to the place that is so sure(hell). So if a famous knowledgeable man said "Apples can be green or red" then i would have to write it as "Apples are various colors but most commonly red or green" to avoid having cite it.JohnF111

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]tbh, law is actually pretty easy considering all laws and statutes are available to google in a couple seconds, divided neatly and to the point.

BossPerson

And well, depended on our assignments really; most of the time it was just on the criminal law, where you just had to find relevant statutes, list the actus and mens rea, and then apply accordingly. That was fine. But when it came to examining and citing Hansard for how those statutes came to fruition, that's when I decided I didn't want to be a law student at University.

Good luck with your studies in any case.

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[QUOTE="T_P_O"] I guess where I come from (UK) is a little more anachronistic in that regard, during my A-level law class, I sometimes had to dig out Hansards (massive block like books containing nothing but parliamentary debate) from decades ago.T_P_O

And well, depended on our assignments really; most of the time it was just on the criminal law, where you just had to find relevant statutes, list the actus and mens rea, and then apply accordingly. That was fine. But when it came to examining and citing Hansard for how those statutes came to fruition, that's when I decided I didn't want to be a law student at University.

Good luck with your studies in any case.

Just looking at the word citation gives me a headache. I can't wait to be done with education, I wish tutors set you up with a few months of proper work experience in the work place of your choice, I feel I learn a hell of a lot more that way compared to writing a dissertation consisting of other people's ideas mixed together.

If that's how you see it, you'll have an awful time with it. If you look at it as: some people indicate this; some say it's this other thing; here are reasons why the first group is right/wrong; here are reasons why the second group are right/wrong; ultimately, I think it's like this... then you should have a better time. Hopefully that made sense. I just mean you should find out what other people think and dissect it before ultimately making your own conclusion. These are my most favorite papers to write. It lets you examine a topic thoroughly but still gives you the opportunity to conclude on your own.dodgerblue13

I am not loving sociology. I balk at doing any sort of research, and it doesn't help that there are no guidelines my prof has provided. It may sound easy (ooh, free reign!), but I literally have no idea what he's looking for in this thing. And it is *not* easy to find books dealing with particular subject matter I need. I'm tearing through Orientalism, Rise of the West, and Guns, Germs and Steel and a bunch of journal articles just trying to find a working thesis. The more I go through this, the more I realise how little I know about what I'm writing about.

My favourite essays to write are either english analytical or film studies.

I'm not a fan of citations either, but as long as your Works Cited or Reference page is done correctly, citing sources becomes a piece of cake.

I'm not a fan of citations either, but as long as your Works Cited or Reference page is done correctly, citing sources becomes a piece of cake.

soulless4now

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="dodgerblue13"] Oh, dang. You should get used to this then. You're in it for the long haul.BossPerson

As someone in law school (albeit in the U.S.) I can tell you if you think you hate citations now you will hate them even more in the future. We have a little thing here called the Blue Book and I'm sure you have an equivalent where you are. Anyway its not statutes that are a pain, its citing to cases as I assume you're also in a common law country. Get ready to cite precedent cases from 50+ years ago when writing your legal memorandums.

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[QUOTE="T_P_O"] Yeah, he's got it pretty bad. All those statutes, precedents and by-laws to cite with the exact language... and then statutory interpretations.WTFr0b0ts

As someone in law school (albeit in the U.S.) I can tell you if you think you hate citations now you will hate them even more in the future. We have a little thing here called the Blue Book and I'm sure you have an equivalent where you are. Anyway its not statutes that are a pain, its citing to cases as I assume you're also in a common law country. Get ready to cite precedent cases from 50+ years ago when writing your legal memorandums.

But in Canada, all cases have a summary with the seven legal brief steps (i forget what they are, facts, history, holding, ratio dicendini..blah blah) so its pretty easy to read through them and get the facts you need.

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I'm not a fan of citations either, but as long as your Works Cited or Reference page is done correctly, citing sources becomes a piece of cake.

BossPerson

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[QUOTE="soulless4now"]

I'm not a fan of citations either, but as long as your Works Cited or Reference page is done correctly, citing sources becomes a piece of cake.

soulless4now

but seriously... I have never heard of any teacher ever in any country on any planet in any universe of any membrane of the m-theory complex say that they dont want footnotes. Otherwise you could just cite an entire book or article and say, "yeah, i got it somewhere from this 350 page book." essentially making up your own citations, which would be heaven imo

I think research papers in general are pointless, just wiki and google that sh*t homeboy.Fightingfan

nope. see the thing is someone had to do actual reserach for that information to actually end up on wiki. wiki is a ok starting point for bussiness major, or art history. but anything science related needs more solid backing

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I think research papers in general are pointless, just wiki and google that sh*t homeboy.blackacidevil96

nope. see the thing is someone had to do actual reserach for that information to actually end up on wiki. wiki is a ok starting point for bussiness major, or art history. but anything science related needs more solid backing

using the net for sources... to each their own i guess. surrealnumber5

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I think research papers in general are pointless, just wiki and google that sh*t homeboy.surrealnumber5

nope. see the thing is someone had to do actual reserach for that information to actually end up on wiki. wiki is a ok starting point for bussiness major, or art history. but anything science related needs more solid backing

where did you go that you can get a BS. where the "S" stands for science, in accounting and finance?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]using the net for sources... to each their own i guess. BossPerson

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

nope. see the thing is someone had to do actual reserach for that information to actually end up on wiki. wiki is a ok starting point for bussiness major, or art history. but anything science related needs more solid backing

blackacidevil96

where did you go that you can get a BS. where the "S" stands for science, in accounting and finance?

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]using the net for sources... to each their own i guess. surrealnumber5

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] my BS in accounting and finance is confused by your statement. surrealnumber5

where did you go that you can get a BS. where the "S" stands for science, in accounting and finance?

while i disagree with including accounting and finance under the term science, i gotta ask. what type of research did you do?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]journal articles, e-books, e-journals... The net is a great place for the whole family!

BossPerson

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] lexisnexis and their materials are about as far as i went with online researching for papers, random articles for topical busy work is another story, those could be from anywhere.surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

where did you go that you can get a BS. where the "S" stands for science, in accounting and finance?

blackacidevil96

while i disagree with including accounting and finance under the term science, i gotta ask. what type of research did you do?

edit: lets just say, its a BS for a reason and that same reason may well be why our tiny business school often has two of the top three placings every year at the Goodman Accounting Challenge, beating out business schools like VT who have a student base of 100x that of SU

anything more dreadful than citing sources? I find myself writing essays, then scouring the net for other "qualified" douchbags who agree with me. One of my profs actually told me that there is no such thing as original thought and that everything i could think of has already been though by someone before. screw citations.

BossPerson

where do u study? heaven?

but seriously... I have never heard of any teacher ever in any country on any planet in any universe of any membrane of the m-theory complex say that they dont want footnotes. Otherwise you could just cite an entire book or article and say, "yeah, i got it somewhere from this 350 page book." essentially making up your own citations, which would be heaven imo

BossPerson

MLA format is a godsend, compared to APA or, ugh, Chicago (which is what I assume you're doing). But you still have to "cite" by referencing in author and page number in parentheses.