Civil War if Obama Wins Reelection?

Seem pretty ludicrous, but there is some group of crazy Republicans in Virginia calling for armed revolution if Obama wins. A civil war however? No way that's happening.

He won't hand over our soverignty or whatever he wants to do to the UN. That is ridiculous.

I can't stand Obama but that is one of the dumbest things I've read in a long time.

It's odd you mention that, because I had this guy come into our office the other day saying the same crazy thing about Obama handing over soverignty to the UN for gun control. I was just nodding politely and trying to get out of that conversation, but I wonder if this is a common held misperception?

So has the concept of an all-powerful and evil president who wants to eat your babies, give America to the UN, and take away your guns been around before Bush Jr?

Also to answer the topic, no. It won't happen. We Americans are too cowardly to start a revolution or act against authority.

I don't see that happening.

It's odd you mention that, because I had this guy come into our office the other day saying the same crazy thing about Obama handing over soverignty to the UN for gun control. I was just nodding politely and trying to get out of that conversation, but I wonder if this is a common held misperception?

sonicare

I do hope these people take up arms when Obama wins, so they can be promptly shot dead by law enforcement.

"Some people should die, that's just unconcious knowledge" - Janes Addiction, Pigs in Zen

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It's odd you mention that, because I had this guy come into our office the other day saying the same crazy thing about Obama handing over soverignty to the UN for gun control. I was just nodding politely and trying to get out of that conversation, but I wonder if this is a common held misperception?

Pirate700

People say stupid things about president's all the time. A few years back some senator even said that President Bush let people in New Orleans die "because they were poor and they were black".

What a moron....civiil war my ass :lol:

Speaking of the UN, should the U.S. tax the UN HQ in New York? At the very least, local authorities in New York should be able to give UN personnel speeding tickets and parking tickets.

People say stupid things about president's all the time. A few years back some senator even said that President Bush let people in New Orleans die "because they were poor and they were black".

whipassmt

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It's odd you mention that, because I had this guy come into our office the other day saying the same crazy thing about Obama handing over soverignty to the UN for gun control. I was just nodding politely and trying to get out of that conversation, but I wonder if this is a common held misperception?

sonicare

I gotta admit, that's an inventive way to sell a tax hike.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]I've never heard that nonsense before this thread.

nocoolnamejim

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]I've never heard that nonsense before this thread.

nocoolnamejim

A judge from Texas seems to think so. Fox News Link so as not to be accused of a liberal sourcing. [quote="Judge Head"] He's going to try to hand over the sovereignty of the United States to the UN, and what is going to happen when that happens?, Head asked. I'm thinking the worst. Civil unrest, civil disobedience, civil war maybe. And we're not just talking a few riots here and demonstrations, we're talking Lexington, Concord, take up arms and get rid of the guy. "Now what's going to happen if we do that, if the public decides to do that? He's going to send in U.N. troops. I don't want 'em in Lubbock County. OK. So I'm going to stand in front of their armored personnel carrier and say 'you're not coming in here'. "And the sheriff, I've already asked him, I said 'you gonna back me' he said, 'yeah, I'll back you'. Well, I don't want a bunch of rookies back there. I want trained, equipped, seasoned veteran officers to back me." nocoolnamejim

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="sonicare"] It's really odd. I was trying to tell him that no american would ever agree to that, but he was adamant. whipassmt

People say stupid things about president's all the time. A few years back some senator even said that President Bush let people in New Orleans die "because they were poor and they were black".

whipassmt

I was never a fan of Dubya, but that he could ignore the plight of the Katrina victims was nonsense.

I know there are going to be crazy people saying crazy things, but in the Youtube and smart phone age, those people are going to get their 15 minutes of infamy. I wouldn't be surprised if any uprising occured, it would be from Texas, but it would only happen in a science fiction fantasy movie, not the real world.

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Anyway, am I missing something? Where is this judge even getting the idea that Obama would attempt to do this (even though he doesn't have the power to anyway)?

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] So, I admit that I originally started this thread as a bit of a joke since, like Pirate, I thought this judge was dumber than Lindsay Lohan on Crystal meth, but you two did remind me of something. Remember back when the Affordable Care Act (A.K.A. Obamacare) was being debated and Governor Rick Perry of Texas was talking about succession from the union? I wonder if the country would be happier and better off if it split into two sometimes. Not likely to ever happen, but I wonder if both conservatives and liberals might not be happier that way.nocoolnamejim

Would federal troops even obey an order from Obama (he isn't very popular among the troops is he?), to invade a U.S. state and fire on American citizens. Also how many troops would Obama have had available to attack Texas, considering so many troops are spread around Europe and the Middle East and other places?

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] I wonder what Obama would've done if Texas did secede. Would he have declared war, tried to negotiate, or just let Texas secede? I think If Texas seceded and there was a stand off between the Governor of Texas and the President of the United States, a certain someone who once held both of those jobs might step in and negotiate a solution (probably along the lines of Texas stays in the Union but gets federal guarantees for more autonomy).

whipassmt

Would federal troops even obey an order from Obama (he isn't very popular among the troops is he?), to invade a U.S. state and fire on American citizens. Also how many troops would Obama have had available to attack Texas, considering so many troops are spread around Europe and the Middle East and other places?

Anyway, am I missing something? Where is this judge even getting the idea that Obama would attempt to do this (even though he doesn't have the power to anyway)?

Pirate700

Because even judges can be completely stupid?

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="sonicare"] It's really odd. I was trying to tell him that no american would ever agree to that, but he was adamant. Pirate700

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] I highly doubt that President Obama would have invited President Bush in to negotiate any such thing. I think it more likely he would have sent federal troops in and removed Governor Perry from office. No state is ever going to be allowed to have more autonomy than any other state.nocoolnamejim

Would federal troops even obey an order from Obama (he isn't very popular among the troops is he?), to invade a U.S. state and fire on American citizens. Also how many troops would Obama have had available to attack Texas, considering so many troops are spread around Europe and the Middle East and other places?

Also relevant: I don't think the U.S. military was committed anywhere else at the time of the Civil War. Whereas if Obama had invaded Texas he would've had to make that decision while the U.S. already has troops stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] You think Obama would have been so irresponsible as to cause a blood bath? If I were Governor of my state I would ban my National Guard Units from participating in any federal invasion of a U.S. state without my permission.

Would federal troops even obey an order from Obama (he isn't very popular among the troops is he?), to invade a U.S. state and fire on American citizens. Also how many troops would Obama have had available to attack Texas, considering so many troops are spread around Europe and the Middle East and other places?

whipassmt

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People say stupid things about president's all the time. A few years back some senator even said that President Bush let people in New Orleans die "because they were poor and they were black".

jimkabrhel

I was never a fan of Dubya, but that he could ignore the plight of the Katrina victims was nonsense.

I know there are going to be crazy people saying crazy things, but in the Youtube and smart phone age, those people are going to get their 15 minutes of infamy. I wouldn't be surprised if any uprising occured, it would be from Texas, but it would only happen in a science fiction fantasy movie, not the real world.

Republicans :|GazaAli

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Was Abraham Lincoln irresponsible?nocoolnamejim

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] He didn't invade the South until after they attacked Fort Sumpter. However it could be argued that Lincoln should've been more willing to placate the South rather than waging the bloodiest war in U.S. history.

whipassmt

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] It's a yes or no question. In your opinion, was Abraham Lincoln irresponsible in in using federal troops to invade the south and keep the confederate states in the union?nocoolnamejim

And it's not only the Texas national guard that is a factor, you also have to factor in sheriffs and policeman and civilians. Also many federal troops probably would not fire on other Americans or invade an American state.

Also once again does Obama even have enough troops to invade Texas and occupy it, especially if the civilians are hostile to the occupying force, considering we are already bogged down in Afghanistan and have troops spread throughout Europe and Asia? How would Obama put down a determined domestic insurgency without causing needless civilian casualties.

And what is to say that other states would cooperate with Obama, they could very easily forbid their national guard personnel from invading Texas or any U.S. state and could even deny passage through their state of any army that may try to pass through in route to invade Texas.

Would it really be that bad if the bible belt seceded from the US? :roll:

Would it really be that bad if the bible belt seceded from the US? :roll:

Blue-Sky

Why are conservative officials so stupid? I keep hearing crap like this from conservatvies, especially in the last coupld weeks but the dems are silent...

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Would it really be that bad if the bible belt seceded from the US? :roll:

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