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#51 tjricardo089
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I love this kind of threads.

When we talk of videogames you just yell «NO COMPARISONS BETWEEN GAMES OF DIFFERENT GENRES!!!»

Yet, you keep making comparisons of movies/musics of different genres.

Awesome logic.

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#52 Wolf-Man2006
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I love this kind of threads.

When we talk of videogames you just yell «NO COMPARISONS BETWEEN GAMES OF DIFFERENT GENRES!!!»

Yet, you keep making comparisons of movies/musics of different genres.

Awesome logic.

tjricardo089

That happened to me when I compared MW3 and BF3 on one of their boards and got a warning (even though I was describing the pros and cons of both games). This logic exists because people will do anything to defend their games, using such intelligent tactics as finding any excuse to attack a popular franchise, usually to the point it turns ugly..

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#53 TAMKFan
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Classical music is not my cup of tie. That's for sure. So, I can I agree with you that it is overrated.

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#54 Brutal_Elitegs
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Classical music is not my cup of tie. That's for sure. So, I can I agree with you that it is overrated.

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#55 mattisgod01
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I love classical music, It's perfect music to play when reading.

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why would you want to look at that disgusting picture every time you make a post? you humans make me sickhadoken
some of your posts make me agree with that dude in your sig....not even kidding

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#57 Devil-Itachi
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I disagree. I really enjoy classical music, listen to it frequently especially when I am reading.
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#58 RisethNameless
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F*CK OFF AND KILL URSELF OP

CLASSICAL MUSIC IS AWESOME

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Classical music is supposed to boost your intelligence. This kid can't even spell "yourself" Ridiculous.
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

F*CK OFF AND KILL URSELF OP

CLASSICAL MUSIC IS AWESOME

RisethNameless

Classical music is supposed to boost your intelligence. This kid can't even spell "yourself" Ridiculous.

You missed a full stop there.

Ridiculous.

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#60 almasdeathchild
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

F*CK OFF AND KILL URSELF OP

CLASSICAL MUSIC IS AWESOME

RisethNameless

Classical music is supposed to boost your intelligence. This kid can't even spell "yourself" Ridiculous.

lawlmaturityl evel is high in this one

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#61 RisethNameless
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Alright all you guys who claim Classical music is not over rated. I want you to try and tell me, in what way is it not over rated?

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#62 RisethNameless
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[QUOTE="RisethNameless"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

F*CK OFF AND KILL URSELF OP

CLASSICAL MUSIC IS AWESOME

Ilovegames1992

Classical music is supposed to boost your intelligence. This kid can't even spell "yourself" Ridiculous.

You missed a full stop there.

Ridiculous.

Touché

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#63 almasdeathchild
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Alright all you guys who claim Classical music is not over rated. I want you to try and tell me, in what way is it not over rated?

RisethNameless

i think every music genre is overrated but thats just me

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Alright all you guys who claim Classical music is not over rated. I want you to try and tell me, in what way is it not over rated?

RisethNameless
First you have to tell us, what makes it overrated?
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#65 rastotm
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Classical music is awsome as it seperates the people who used earplugs at concerts and clubs with those who didn't.

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[QUOTE="RisethNameless"]

Alright all you guys who claim Classical music is not over rated. I want you to try and tell me, in what way is it not over rated?

Lonelynight
First you have to tell us, what makes it overrated?

Indeed, tell us TC.
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#67 RisethNameless
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Alright all you guys who claim Classical music is not over rated. I want you to try and tell me, in what way is it not over rated?

Lonelynight
First you have to tell us, what makes it overrated?

Much of It's fanbase consider it a solid fact that it is better than any other genre of music. A SOLID FACT. They argue this by saying that it is more complex and intelligent than any other genre. Maybe, but not necessarily. There's plenty of complexity and intelligence to be found in other genres. Maybe not as much complexity, but It's there, and there's probably a whole bunch of musicians from other genres with a higher IQ than Beethoven or Mozart. Ever heard of Post-Rock? If not, a short definition would be: Instrumental music using primarily rock instruments, among instruments from other genres, in non-rock typical ways. A lot of it has classical-esque structure. In my opinion it sounds more interesting, tha classical music, and there's a lot less weirdo stuff going on in it so you can focus and appreciate what actually is going on in it. And I'm sure a lot of the guys who play it are just as intelligent as many of the great classical composers. Disagree if you will, It's all opinion. Which is my main point. Classical music is not indefinitely better than every other genre, all just opinion. Also, my reasoning behind making this thread about it was a bit of controversy, I find it entertaining. And also take into account that I don't dislike classical music.
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#68 lex_in_the_moon
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That's your opinion.

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#69 lex_in_the_moon
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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="RisethNameless"]

Alright all you guys who claim Classical music is not over rated. I want you to try and tell me, in what way is it not over rated?

RisethNameless

First you have to tell us, what makes it overrated?

Much of It's fanbase consider it a solid fact that it is better than any other genre of music. A SOLID FACT. They argue this by saying that it is more complex and intelligent than any other genre. Maybe, but not necessarily. There's plenty of complexity and intelligence to be found in other genres. Maybe not as much complexity, but It's there, and there's probably a whole bunch of musicians from other genres with a higher IQ than Beethoven or Mozart. Ever heard of Post-Rock? If not, a short definition would be: Instrumental music using primarily rock instruments, among instruments from other genres, in non-rock typical ways. A lot of it has classical-esque structure. In my opinion it sounds more interesting, tha classical music, and there's a lot less weirdo stuff going on in it so you can focus and appreciate what actually is going on in it. And I'm sure a lot of the guys who play it are just as intelligent as many of the great classical composers. Disagree if you will, It's all opinion. Which is my main point. Classical music is not indefinitely better than every other genre, all just opinion. Also, my reasoning behind making this thread about it was a bit of controversy, I find it entertaining. And also take into account that I don't dislike classical music.

You should not argue with the fan point, it is not a sound argument. That is like me saying I met this metalhead and he was a jerk so metal sucks. Also I think you should take into consideration that a lot of music would not exist if classical music never did. You don't have to enjoy listening to it by any means if you don't personally like it, you are entitled to an opinion but when you're listening to post-rock think about how if classical music never existed it might not have either. When classical music was all that was around it was very relevant to social changes in the respective eras, in the last few decades there has been great music and great musicians but it just doesn't seem that relevant anymore...

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The Hans Zimmer thread was locked, even though it had actual discussion going on, but this asinine thread remains open?
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Any style of music can be found overrated, it's all about your taste in music.
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#72 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

F*CK OFF AND KILL URSELF OP

CLASSICAL MUSIC IS AWESOME

RisethNameless

Classical music is supposed to boost your intelligence. This kid can't even spell "yourself" Ridiculous.

I never said anything of the sort and you are throwing stones from a glass house. I, for one, can state that my posting error was deliberate. I surmise that yours was not.

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I don't think so. I'm into Romantic-era music.
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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="RisethNameless"]

Alright all you guys who claim Classical music is not over rated. I want you to try and tell me, in what way is it not over rated?

RisethNameless

First you have to tell us, what makes it overrated?

Much of It's fanbase consider it a solid fact that it is better than any other genre of music. A SOLID FACT. They argue this by saying that it is more complex and intelligent than any other genre. Maybe, but not necessarily. There's plenty of complexity and intelligence to be found in other genres. Maybe not as much complexity, but It's there, and there's probably a whole bunch of musicians from other genres with a higher IQ than Beethoven or Mozart. Ever heard of Post-Rock? If not, a short definition would be: Instrumental music using primarily rock instruments, among instruments from other genres, in non-rock typical ways. A lot of it has classical-esque structure. In my opinion it sounds more interesting, tha classical music, and there's a lot less weirdo stuff going on in it so you can focus and appreciate what actually is going on in it. And I'm sure a lot of the guys who play it are just as intelligent as many of the great classical composers. Disagree if you will, It's all opinion. Which is my main point. Classical music is not indefinitely better than every other genre, all just opinion. Also, my reasoning behind making this thread about it was a bit of controversy, I find it entertaining. And also take into account that I don't dislike classical music.

I can tell you for a fact that generally speaking classical music is much more complex than modern music. i've been studying music for the better part of 15 years and have a pretty diverse taste but that doesn't change the simple fact that classical music is basically the de facto standard for good musical composition practice. pretty much any piece of "modern" western music drew its basis from classical music (yes even blues)

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Where's Pianist when you need him? He'd be able to explain why perfectly.
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#76 z4twenny
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Where's Pianist when you need him? He'd be able to explain why perfectly. MirkoS77

long story short, classical composers spent / spend time and effort on their music to make it unique and interesting to listen to, listen to rap what do you get? same melody and beat for 3 minutes, listen to rock you get a couple of simple riffs over 4 minutes, jazz and blues you'll often get some nice deviation but really blues is what it is, change it up too much and it's jazz or rock. metal, my personal favorite is somewhere in between diversity and stagnation right now. theres so much of it that it's all turning into one flooded septic tank... i could rip on it further but i won't. listen to classical music you get a piece of music that is generally constantly engaging and entertaining to listen to and can last anywhere from several minutes to several hours depending on what type of classical music you like.

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DUMMMMMB!!!
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[QUOTE="RisethNameless"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"] First you have to tell us, what makes it overrated? z4twenny

Much of It's fanbase consider it a solid fact that it is better than any other genre of music. A SOLID FACT. They argue this by saying that it is more complex and intelligent than any other genre. Maybe, but not necessarily. There's plenty of complexity and intelligence to be found in other genres. Maybe not as much complexity, but It's there, and there's probably a whole bunch of musicians from other genres with a higher IQ than Beethoven or Mozart. Ever heard of Post-Rock? If not, a short definition would be: Instrumental music using primarily rock instruments, among instruments from other genres, in non-rock typical ways. A lot of it has classical-esque structure. In my opinion it sounds more interesting, tha classical music, and there's a lot less weirdo stuff going on in it so you can focus and appreciate what actually is going on in it. And I'm sure a lot of the guys who play it are just as intelligent as many of the great classical composers. Disagree if you will, It's all opinion. Which is my main point. Classical music is not indefinitely better than every other genre, all just opinion. Also, my reasoning behind making this thread about it was a bit of controversy, I find it entertaining. And also take into account that I don't dislike classical music.

I can tell you for a fact that generally speaking classical music is much more complex than modern music. i've been studying music for the better part of 15 years and have a pretty diverse taste but that doesn't change the simple fact that classical music is basically the de facto standard for good musical composition practice. pretty much any piece of "modern" western music drew its basis from classical music (yes even blues)

Sure, sure. Complexity=/= Quality
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[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

[QUOTE="RisethNameless"]Much of It's fanbase consider it a solid fact that it is better than any other genre of music. A SOLID FACT. They argue this by saying that it is more complex and intelligent than any other genre. Maybe, but not necessarily. There's plenty of complexity and intelligence to be found in other genres. Maybe not as much complexity, but It's there, and there's probably a whole bunch of musicians from other genres with a higher IQ than Beethoven or Mozart. Ever heard of Post-Rock? If not, a short definition would be: Instrumental music using primarily rock instruments, among instruments from other genres, in non-rock typical ways. A lot of it has classical-esque structure. In my opinion it sounds more interesting, tha classical music, and there's a lot less weirdo stuff going on in it so you can focus and appreciate what actually is going on in it. And I'm sure a lot of the guys who play it are just as intelligent as many of the great classical composers. Disagree if you will, It's all opinion. Which is my main point. Classical music is not indefinitely better than every other genre, all just opinion. Also, my reasoning behind making this thread about it was a bit of controversy, I find it entertaining. And also take into account that I don't dislike classical music.RisethNameless

I can tell you for a fact that generally speaking classical music is much more complex than modern music. i've been studying music for the better part of 15 years and have a pretty diverse taste but that doesn't change the simple fact that classical music is basically the de facto standard for good musical composition practice. pretty much any piece of "modern" western music drew its basis from classical music (yes even blues)

Sure, sure. Complexity=/= Quality

yeah but you started off saying theres plenty of complexity to be found in other genres and my point was that aside from some jazz and blues, no theres really not any complexity in any modern music, there are some metal bands that are technically complex or musically complex but not many. to cap it off most modern music is basically the same handful of songs rehashed over and over and over. i wouldn't mind the non complex songs if someone actually made something bearing any semblance of originality. if you like listening to the same song/s over and over again by all means, enjoy. but theres a reason names like chopin, mozart and bach are still around. it's because they wrote awesome music, especially by modern standards.

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[QUOTE="RisethNameless"][QUOTE="z4twenny"]

I can tell you for a fact that generally speaking classical music is much more complex than modern music. i've been studying music for the better part of 15 years and have a pretty diverse taste but that doesn't change the simple fact that classical music is basically the de facto standard for good musical composition practice. pretty much any piece of "modern" western music drew its basis from classical music (yes even blues)

z4twenny

Sure, sure. Complexity=/= Quality

yeah but you started off saying theres plenty of complexity to be found in other genres and my point was that aside from some jazz and blues, no theres really not any complexity in any modern music, there are some metal bands that are technically complex or musically complex but not many. to cap it off most modern music is basically the same handful of songs rehashed over and over and over. i wouldn't mind the non complex songs if someone actually made something bearing any semblance of originality. if you like listening to the same song/s over and over again by all means, enjoy. but theres a reason names like chopin, mozart and bach are still around. it's because they wrote awesome music, especially by modern standards.

I never said I like that simple rehash crap. I hate that stuff. It sucks. There's more than just Tech-Death, Progressive Metal and Math Rock with their technical complexity in modern music, by the way. I'll give you the example again of Post-Rock. If you'll listen this (The whole thing, It's completely necessary) you'll notice a resemblance to classical music beyond the use of Violins. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VuJBCscmZI&feature=related There's also lyrical complexity. Never did your composers write lyrics did they? We never heard their opinion, we never related to their words. Modern musicians can write lyrics with so much sophistication and such deep meaning it hurts. And I'm not talking about romantic love songs.
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^ after a minute of the same simple melody over and over again i gave up, i had to fast forward to a different part of the song to see if it ever changed. i found that incredibly simple and repetitive but kudos on the production value. as for classical music not having lyrics, lulz ensued. have you never heard of opera? how about choir music? i don't know how you consider that post rock since its basically orchestral music with a drum kit, which is basically classical music. so you've gone and said classical music is overrated then linked to what would be considered a poorly written classical song, so you basically proved my point.

the song was decent and catchy but by actual classical music standards it was really dry and basic and kind of bland. it's not a terrible song, but if you're going to compare it to actual classical music then you have to realize they're not even in the same ballpark.

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Dare say what you like? I love Classical

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^ after a minute of the same simple melody over and over again i gave up, i had to fast forward to a different part of the song to see if it ever changed. i found that incredibly simple and repetitive but kudos on the production value. as for classical music not having lyrics, lulz ensued. have you never heard of opera? how about choir music? i don't know how you consider that post rock since its basically orchestral music with a drum kit, which is basically classical music. so you've gone and said classical music is overrated then linked to what would be considered a poorly written classical song, so you basically proved my point.

the song was decent and catchy but by actual classical music standards it was really dry and basic and kind of bland. it's not a terrible song, but if you're going to compare it to actual classical music then you have to realize they're not even in the same ballpark.

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Okay, I was going to link you the long one, the much less repetitive, faster changing, more enjoyable, longer older brother of "We Flood Empty Lakes" I thought the shorter piece would do, here you go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qm5rd1kciM As for your Opera and Choir music. I was unaware that they fit under the label of "classical", you'll have to forgive me for that.
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^ opera is essentially classical music with a focus on the vocal melody, choral music is only vocal music with focus on harmony and melody both of them use what are considered "classical" music writing conventions. i'll have to give that track a listen to a little later as the page won't load right now and i'm running late to meet some friends.

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Can't see how when the general public don't care much about the genre....

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[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

^ after a minute of the same simple melody over and over again i gave up, i had to fast forward to a different part of the song to see if it ever changed. i found that incredibly simple and repetitive but kudos on the production value. as for classical music not having lyrics, lulz ensued. have you never heard of opera? how about choir music? i don't know how you consider that post rock since its basically orchestral music with a drum kit, which is basically classical music. so you've gone and said classical music is overrated then linked to what would be considered a poorly written classical song, so you basically proved my point.

the song was decent and catchy but by actual classical music standards it was really dry and basic and kind of bland. it's not a terrible song, but if you're going to compare it to actual classical music then you have to realize they're not even in the same ballpark.

RisethNameless
Okay, I was going to link you the long one, the much less repetitive, faster changing, more enjoyable, longer older brother of "We Flood Empty Lakes" I thought the shorter piece would do, here you go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qm5rd1kciM As for your Opera and Choir music. I was unaware that they fit under the label of "classical", you'll have to forgive me for that.

So will you just admit you know nothing about classical music and are just trolling?
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I'll listen to classical music for the next 365 days and have it be my inspiration for music. Lets see what I get out of that as opposed to the CRAP that gets over played today.
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[QUOTE="RisethNameless"][QUOTE="z4twenny"]

^ after a minute of the same simple melody over and over again i gave up, i had to fast forward to a different part of the song to see if it ever changed. i found that incredibly simple and repetitive but kudos on the production value. as for classical music not having lyrics, lulz ensued. have you never heard of opera? how about choir music? i don't know how you consider that post rock since its basically orchestral music with a drum kit, which is basically classical music. so you've gone and said classical music is overrated then linked to what would be considered a poorly written classical song, so you basically proved my point.

the song was decent and catchy but by actual classical music standards it was really dry and basic and kind of bland. it's not a terrible song, but if you're going to compare it to actual classical music then you have to realize they're not even in the same ballpark.

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Okay, I was going to link you the long one, the much less repetitive, faster changing, more enjoyable, longer older brother of "We Flood Empty Lakes" I thought the shorter piece would do, here you go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qm5rd1kciM As for your Opera and Choir music. I was unaware that they fit under the label of "classical", you'll have to forgive me for that.

So will you just admit you know nothing about classical music and are just trolling?

Essentially I am trolling, I'll admit. The initial intention of this thread was controversy
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[QUOTE="RisethNameless"][QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="RisethNameless"]Okay, I was going to link you the long one, the much less repetitive, faster changing, more enjoyable, longer older brother of "We Flood Empty Lakes" I thought the shorter piece would do, here you go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qm5rd1kciM As for your Opera and Choir music. I was unaware that they fit under the label of "classical", you'll have to forgive me for that.

So will you just admit you know nothing about classical music and are just trolling?

Essentially I am trolling, I'll admit. The initial intention of this thread was controversy

LOL Fair Enough
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#90 Brutal_Elitegs
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[QUOTE="RisethNameless"]Sure, sure. Complexity=/= QualityRisethNameless

yeah but you started off saying theres plenty of complexity to be found in other genres and my point was that aside from some jazz and blues, no theres really not any complexity in any modern music, there are some metal bands that are technically complex or musically complex but not many. to cap it off most modern music is basically the same handful of songs rehashed over and over and over. i wouldn't mind the non complex songs if someone actually made something bearing any semblance of originality. if you like listening to the same song/s over and over again by all means, enjoy. but theres a reason names like chopin, mozart and bach are still around. it's because they wrote awesome music, especially by modern standards.

I never said I like that simple rehash crap. I hate that stuff. It sucks. There's more than just Tech-Death, Progressive Metal and Math Rock with their technical complexity in modern music, by the way. I'll give you the example again of Post-Rock. If you'll listen this (The whole thing, It's completely necessary) you'll notice a resemblance to classical music beyond the use of Violins. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VuJBCscmZI&feature=related There's also lyrical complexity. Never did your composers write lyrics did they? We never heard their opinion, we never related to their words. Modern musicians can write lyrics with so much sophistication and such deep meaning it hurts. And I'm not talking about romantic love songs.

The first three minutes is just one melodic line playing over and over with a gradual increase in the layers of the accompaniment. See, the great composers would have turned that rather banal theme into something great, rather than just repeating it over and over in the most uninteresting way to the point where it just becomes annoying. It's like the melody is constantly banging on your head saying "listen to me, I'm beautiful" when all you just want to do is punch it in the face. Now, I'm certain there are better representatives of Post-Rock that show the creative compositional side to the genre, but that's not exactly the best example.

As for lyrics, I see that more akin to poetry, which certainly has its merits, but I don't need words to tell me how Tchaikovsky felt when he composed this. Music has an ineffable quality about it.

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It's proably the most underrated genre in the history of genres. It's the best kind of music there is. So it can never be overrated. And it will be underrated until 100% of everyone likes it. Even then it will be underrated cause there will always be those dirty peasents who didn't like it in past times.

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#92 RisethNameless
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It's proably the most underrated genre in the history of genres. It's the best kind of music there is. So it can never be overrated. And it will be underrated until 100% of everyone likes it. Even then it will be underrated cause there will always be those dirty peasents who didn't like it in past times.

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See, this is what I mean! You people treat it like a solid fact that it is the best genre
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#93 yomanjdf
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you right