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#1 DmadFearmonger
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What do you prefere in your music?

Clean vocals can be anything that doesn't involve killing your throat. Be it clean metal singing, rock singing, rap etc.

Harsh vocals are Death growls, Grunts, Shrieks. etc

I've always prefered my good ol' clean vocals. Just sounds so much nicer to listen to.

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#2 Serraph105
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with that definition I'm going with clean vocals. Though I do enjoy a gravely voice, I don't care for the metal screams/grunts. I also like a truley clean voice such as Steven Tyler.

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#3 communistcat
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I like both, but harsh vocals can ruin a song if badly done.

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#4 KHAndAnime
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They both have their place, and it depends on who's on vocals. Most music I listen to utilizes harsh vocals, so I guess I'll choose that as my preference. My favorite harsh vocals would have to be Frank Mullen's. There's a short list of metal vocalists who can match his intensity/delivery/enunciation.

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#5 Vinegar_Strokes
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depends on the music. sometimes a clean vocal can sound overproduced though

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#6 Ilovegames1992
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Doesnt matter as long as they can sing. Screaming and/or growling isnt singing imho though.

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#7 Saturos3091
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I like both. I'm not close-minded enough to say that I wouldn't like one or the other...

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#8 ArmoredCore55
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I like both, but I think I'll go with clean vocals.
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#9 Crimsader
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Clean bass vocals.
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#10 joesh89
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Hmm... clean vocals have their place in music. But I love noise pop were usually the vocals are distorted and laiden with heavy reverb. For me it relies upon genre.

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#11 iloverikku11
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I like both. I'm not close-minded enough to say that I wouldn't like one or the other...

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this. I don't care as long as the vocals are good.

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#12 tom95b
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If you use your definition of harsh vocals, I like clean vocals better.

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#13 MrGrimFandango
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Never heard harsh vocals I liked so clean.
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#14 Konekomaru
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Always clean. Harsh vocals are just unpleasant.

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#15 xTheExploited
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Depends on the music its going with. I like both but some just dont sound good with the music they're going along with.
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#16 LoG-Sacrament
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it depends, i guess. for all the claims of complexity in metal today, most of it is still coming from deep roots in pop minimalism (fast time signatures and solo noodling dont change the rigid structure). in that sense, harsh vocals are a really fitting minimalist way to match up the song. every now and then i do turn on the radio and without fail there always some rock song with an aggressive riff accompanied by singing and there is just such a space between them that it doesnt work. still, obviously singing will always have its place too as harsh vocals only work in a small range of music.
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#17 Lockedge
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Clean vocals. I've spent years trying to get used to, and accept, harsh vocals. I just can't. It's really depressing. Bands like Equilibrium would be so much more enjoyable.
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#18 DivergeUnify
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I prefer clean, but I like both. Harsh vox definitely have their place and can definitely be beautiful
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#19 foxhound_fox
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I can't stand grunt "vocals." I don't have a problem with a grunt or two being used as a build up to actual vocals... nor do I have a problem with deep, scratchy voices, but when the entire song is grunts and screams... it just ruins it.
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#20 worlock77
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It depends on what works for the music. Face it, death metal, for example, just wouldn't work with nice clean singing.
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#21 _Tobli_
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There is some clean vocals i like , and a bunch i can't stand. I can say the same for harsh vocals too since they can easily get out of hand and become incomprehensible. I think i'll go with clean since i usually listen to clean or clean together with harsh.

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#22 Meinhard1
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I like strong, assertive voices.
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#23 metallica_fan42
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Both are awesome when used correctly.
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#24 coolbeans90
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I can't f***ing stand harsh vocals.

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#25 GreySeal9
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Clean vocals.

Harsh vocals almost always sound like **** IMO. Also, I find harsh vocals to sound incredibly samey. And although there are alot of generic clean vocalists out there, you also get some of the most superb or distinctive vocalists ever.

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#26 PannicAtack
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Gee, good technique and proper musicianship, or utterly unintelligible crap that's going to completely wreck your vocal chords?

Tough choice.

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#27 Alex3796
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Clean vocals all the way. I can't stand the growling s***
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#28 SoraX64
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Harsh vocals for the most part. I do like a combination though. Like Amaranthe. They're my favorite band.
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#29 drochnathair
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Not much of a metal fan, so clean vocals for me. I do enjoy some harsh vocals, like say, Mikael Akerfeldt's from Opeth. But I did have to train myself to consider the vocals as just another instrument to convey mood and emotion.

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#30 chessmaster1989
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Gee, good technique and proper musicianship, or utterly unintelligible crap that's going to completely wreck your vocal chords?

Tough choice.

PannicAtack

Say what you will, but a lot of harsh vocals are very easy to understand. Whether or not you like them is a different issue.

And don't you think it's a bit of an overstatement to classify all clean vocals as "good technique and proper musicianship"? :?

Anyway, it depends entirely on the style of music. In all honesty almost all death metal and black metal just wouldn't work with a different vocal style. Likewise, a lot of musical styles just wouldn't work with harsh vocals. It really depends on the genre of music.

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#31 Alacoque72
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I like both but I would rather have all harsh than all clean. By the way screaming and growling doesn't wreck your throat. It doesn't even hurt

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#32 travisstaggs
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I listen to a lot of stuff with harsh and clean vocals, so both.

Though if the screaming and all of that is horrible is can really ruin a song for me.

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#33 stevoqwerty
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TAYLOR SWIFT!!!! Clean vocals FTW!!!!!!!!

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#34 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

Gee, good technique and proper musicianship, or utterly unintelligible crap that's going to completely wreck your vocal chords?

Tough choice.

chessmaster1989

Say what you will, but a lot of harsh vocals are very easy to understand. Whether or not you like them is a different issue.

And don't you think it's a bit of an overstatement to classify all clean vocals as "good technique and proper musicianship"? :?

Anyway, it depends entirely on the style of music. In all honesty almost all death metal and black metal just wouldn't work with a different vocal style. Likewise, a lot of musical styles just wouldn't work with clean vocals. It really depends on the genre of music.

Perhaps I overgeneralized, but that's simply because of my distaste. Quite simply, the vocal techniques used in death or black metal are going to ruin your voice. There's very little way around that. Good musicianship should never do that.
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#35 heysharpshooter
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

Gee, good technique and proper musicianship, or utterly unintelligible crap that's going to completely wreck your vocal chords?

Tough choice.

PannicAtack

Say what you will, but a lot of harsh vocals are very easy to understand. Whether or not you like them is a different issue.

And don't you think it's a bit of an overstatement to classify all clean vocals as "good technique and proper musicianship"? :?

Anyway, it depends entirely on the style of music. In all honesty almost all death metal and black metal just wouldn't work with a different vocal style. Likewise, a lot of musical styles just wouldn't work with clean vocals. It really depends on the genre of music.

Perhaps I overgeneralized, but that's simply because of my distaste. Quite simply, the vocal techniques used in death or black metal are going to ruin your voice. There's very little way around that. Good musicianship should never do that.

This statement is totally 100% false... as a former vocalist for 2 different Grindcore bands, I can attest that this statement is wrong...

you use the same technique for guttural vocals as for singing... you breathe with the diaphram, not your lungs just like good singing...

The major difference is that when you sing, you are supposed to use your regular vocal chords... when you do guttural vocalization, you use the second pair of vocal chords called the "false vocal chords"... they are essentially a second pair of chords that are harder and sturdier then your speaking vocal chords... like when you clear your throat, the sound you make is cause by the false chords... if you use proper technique, you never even use your regular vocal chords...

Perhaps you should not speak with such authority on a subject you know little about...

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#36 Theokhoth
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Clean vocals. The only harsh vocals I can tolerate are the ones used by what's-his-name in Eluveitie.
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#37 DmadFearmonger
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

Gee, good technique and proper musicianship, or utterly unintelligible crap that's going to completely wreck your vocal chords?

Tough choice.

chessmaster1989

Say what you will, but a lot of harsh vocals are very easy to understand. Whether or not you like them is a different issue.

Example (If you don't like folk skip to 1:57)

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#38 Lonelynight
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I prefer clean.
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#39 PannicAtack
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Well, I looked rather stupid here.
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#40 heysharpshooter
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Well, I looked rather stupid here.PannicAtack

If serious... we forgive you:P... its fine not to like something and feel strongly about it... I do it all the time...

As for the TC's question: it depends on so many different factors that for me, the question is unanswerable... I love both, but it depends on the individual vocalist more then the style of vocals...

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#41 LJS9502_basic
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I like both. I'm not close-minded enough to say that I wouldn't like one or the other...

Saturos3091
It's not close minded if you have a preference or don't like one or the other after hearing them.....only if you never heard them. That said....clean vocals.
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#42 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]

I like both. I'm not close-minded enough to say that I wouldn't like one or the other...

LJS9502_basic

It's not close minded if you have a preference or don't like one or the other after hearing them.....only if you never heard them. That said....clean vocals.

For real. And even if it was close-minded, I'd rather be close-minded than lie to myself and others about what I like.

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#43 rangegear
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I dont know if slipknot is considered harsh or clean :)
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#44 sAndroid17
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depends on the band/music. love both

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#45 DmadFearmonger
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I dont know if slipknot is considered harsh or clean :)rangegear
Mostly harsh
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#46 Nifty_Shark
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Always thought it was cool when clean was mixed a raspy grunt now and then. I feel that for the most part I lean more towards clean vocals. Of course not all genres are that friendly to that style and I get that when listening to those genres.
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#47 RushKing
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Depends on the vocalist and the instrumentation. Both can be great when used correctly.
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#48 KHAndAnime
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[QUOTE="rangegear"]I dont know if slipknot is considered harsh or clean :)DmadFearmonger
Mostly harsh

I don't think I've ever heard Slipknot use any harsh vocals before. But then again I don't listen to a lot of Slipknot.
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#49 kussese
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It's completely dependant on what the artist is trying to express. If Behemoth used clear vocals, I don't think they'd be playing the same type of music. I like it the way it is. Conversely, I don't think Sara Bareilles should take up a death metal growl.

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#50 Iceozo
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Mikael Akerfeldt.