Clinton or Trump, who gets your vote in the general election?

.. The US drone campaign already does this with massive non target causalities as shown with that leaked report stating that nearly 90% of the causalities were all non targets.. And your incredibly ignorant to think the US hasn't been torturing people for decades now through the CIA, especially during the Cold War.. If this are what demonize Trump, you should find basically the entire political establishment repugnant when they have supported these kinds of policies for decades.. In less your perfectly fine for such things, you just don't like when a person is so open about it. Or you like the fact we give other unsavory groups the power to enact our policy, like the US government has done for decades.. What the **** you think the supposed "rebels" in Syria were doing when the US was arming, because they sure as shit aren't upholding rules of engagement and human rights laws..

.. You seriously think a drone operator is going to be given such details for their target to be forced to make such a decision to begin with? And you seriously think the CIA agent would refuse a order for torture? Forgetting the fact that if they whistle blew they would most likely be deemed a traitor.. Abu Ghraib is a prime example of this, where the brass wanted to pin the guy who leaked the photos with treason, and not the actual perpetrators of the torture..

I don't like it when it's done in secret OR when it's done openly. Obviously, as such, I will not be voting for an individual who openly advocates for such policies.

I'm not sure why you seem to be angry, as I don't believe you're objecting to my "I won't vote for Trump" stance or to my declaration that these policies are repugnant.

@sSubZerOo: The president doesn't directory command troops, those orders travel down a chain of command. Someone in the chain of command between Trump (assuming that he gave such illegal orders) and the person on the ground ordered to execute the order would raise the red flag, and a soldier on the ground isn't going to obey an order to shoot a bunch of unarmed kids knowing that it is a trip straight to Leavenworth like Robert Bales.

Drone strikes are a different story, collateral damage isn't the same as intentionally targeting innocent women and children. Before you say it, I know that a crying parent won't care that her son was "collateral damage," she cares that her son is dead. Also, the drone operators have eyes on the target, so it isn't like some commander is going to order a guy to shoot a bunch of kids and the pilot that is firing is going to comply without question.

I can't speak on what the CIA will do, they are a totally different animal.

Because if this is the reason why you won't vote for Trump.. That this is the reason why you should basically not vote for really any of the major politicians running for office because they are all guilty of supporting these kind of policies.

That's really misleading since your "non-targets" are not necessarily non-combatants. The same leaked report claims that 80% of casualties were classified as militants and only 6% were civilian casualties. Despite the name, precision munitions are not precise weapons designed to kill their intended target and nothing else; they explode taking an entire building and everyone in it along with the target. What you left out or ignorant of is the fact that civilian populations have always suffered in conflicts but weapons technology have gone a long way to reduce collateral damages.

And then there's the nature of an isometric warfare to consider. Terrorists organizations operate among civilians and in fact purposely utilize them as human shields. It was for the same reason that firebombing of Japan was so necessary albeit horrible. Unlike concentrated industry centers of Germany, Japan war time economy is very much decentralized and distributed among the civilian population. For this reason and because LOAC is drafted with reality of warfare in mind, it doesn't strictly forbid killing of non-combatant but simply the targeting of, which no US air strike does.

There's a distinct difference between current administration's GWOT doctrine and what Trump is advocating. That's like saying you brought a kid a burger you must want give him a heart attack.

If Sander is going to run as an independent then Trump will be in a better position to win. Trump said as much himself

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/277654-trump-sanders-should-run-as-an-independent

I think Clinton has demonstrated that she's incompetent at best as Secretary of State, but Trump is so bad that it's easily Clinton for me. I've not been old enough to vote in another election where the choice was this easy.

@sSubZerOo: It is one of many reasons, cited in this particular instance because it is the one most likely to be universally agreed upon as disgusting, vile, and immoral.

Regardless, we are in a system in which (after the primaries) we vote not for a perfect candidate but the best (or least worst depending on one's viewpoint - same thing, different connotation) from a set of viable options.

As we approach the point where the set of viable options is limited to Clinton and Trump (barring some unlikely third party run that has a chance at majority support) Clinton looks like the best of the viable options and Trump the worst - for a myriad of reasons, but even if we're just restricting the discussion to those cited earlier.

If I lived in the US I would definitely voted for Hilary. She isn't the perfect presidential candidate, but after the way trump acted throughout the primaries,his lack of qualifications to be president in my opinion and shady past I would rather go for Hilary despite her flaws. Trump is way worse than even Bernie Sanders.

Good battle, almost 100 people have answered.

It seems from some of the comments here that allot of folks really believe that the president is the "end all be all" decision maker for the country. This isn't true. They are just a face, a representation, a talking head, and a bill signer. A Democratic president will favor their parties agenda, signing bills and passing legislation in favor of liberal policies, socialist ideals, and increasing the federal deficit by using our taxes to grow bigger government which ultimately doesn't produce anything (other than taking away your rights and freedoms). Republicans do the same for theirs and have become a ridiculous party with religious right stereotypes and not much appeal to younger citizens.. I don't really identify myself as one or the other, in fact they both have way too much power over our country and you're left with no choice but to choose one..

Trump, I nEED that wall at all costs.

I wouldn't be able to bring myself to vote for either one.

It's lose-lose either way, but at least Trump likes cops and has our backs.

Is it possible to vote for neither? I would like a legitimate 3rd candidate. Trump vs. clinton is like Stalin vs. Hitler. Terrible choices. We're doomed.

So a lot of people don't understand why Trump is considered racist. It's not because he wants to deport illegals but because he called most Mexicans rapist and murders. That and his latest picture of him eating a taco salad saying he loves Mexicans.

I'm voting Hillary. Not too happy about it, but what can you do? Voting third party just helps Trump. Hopefully, this election has helped bring to light the problems in the election process. I'm also really excited to see the type of people who will run in 2020. Non establishment people who have observed Bernie and Trump. People who will have four years to analyze both the things they did wrong and right.

Maybe I'm being too optimistic about the future.

@datruth:

Is that Kanye West dude still thinking of running in 2020....I'd hear what he has to say, but doubt I'd ever vote for him.

My regional manager said on Thursday that if we're not careful Donald Trump could be the next president. We live in England, how the **** did she get that job?

@oi_oi_spanky:

Haha that's classic, I guess he's on the TV quite a bit over there as well. She forgot where she lives.

@AFBrat77: Not to mention one minute earlier that she said she's reading a book abourt Arnold Schwarzenegger and how he grew up as a poor child in Hungary?

@oi_oi_spanky:

Not sure if he was poor or not, but I'm pretty sure he was from Austria.

I've been rooting for Hillary for a while now and that likely isn't to change.

Trump because I frking hate Hillary.

Then you'll get a kick out of this. (NSFW but it's good)

But Trump doesn't hate Hillary, that's why he has supported her in the past.

Our country's far right whackadoodles willing to eagerly vote for Trump, they've been in a downward progression for years since abandoning neoconservative philosophy after the Bush reign of terror brought shame on the party, and adopted the libertarian insurgency wanting to elect government to destroy government along with blatant unabashed racism and xenophobia and a dangerously seditious and militant 2nd Amendment movement. Throw in a party that now champion idiots like Sarah Palin, Joe the Plumber, that Duck Dynasty guy, Cliven Bundy, Kim Davis; what kind of future do our conservative youth look forward to with inspirational personalities like that? Question I'm asking myself, if not Trump, who or what is next that's bound to be worse is gonna pop out its ugly head.

Isn't this like asking someone if they want the plague or cholera?

I'm sure a lot of people did up until recently.

I kind of liked her up until recently.

rofl

Well I believe I'll vote for a third party

what changed your opinion?

@comp_atkins: obviously the news about her computer servers and her unwillingness to talk about what happened with Bill.

Maybe she should answer because how she handles real problems might help people understand what it's gonna be like when she's president?

Also, what she said about Benghazi.... Regardless of who's fault it is

"What difference does it make?"

Like everything good she's done in the past has been taken away by lies and deception.

I'm curious about this as well.

what happened to Bill?

How he cheated on her and her unwillgness to talk about it.

If you want to hide something as silly as that then maybe you shouldn't be the president? She's all about keeping secrets.

wow, this was ages ago .. but right, this was an most awkward moment ^^

Did you see Bill Clinton's explanation on the emails, and his part in it? It;s just shamelessly full of it. He said he has used email twice, and that was to buy christmas presents. I was just like dude, that;s the best explanation you can come up with?! Jesus....

I haven't seen the details but I've heard some pieces and everytime I do here something it makes me more ashamed.

Really?!?! Christmas presents? rofl.

but isnt that just typical american? what ever the man does, the women takes it to keep the 'house' together ?

as I remember it was the best they could have done with the situation (the clinton clan) to maintaine their Position and even get some extra points out of it ...

Yeah, he goes "I dont mess with email, because I hear people say bad things about you in email." WHAT?!?!?!?!?

I'll reluctantly vote for Hillary. I don't like her. I'm not proud of it, but I won't just let Trump have the keys to the executive office and the nuclear codes.

Trump is a snakes oil salesman

Trump is what happens when people get tired of the minority left wing social justice nuts.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DW8oyfqZSc